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No Linux-based OS can do this.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 15:23:13 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ? No Linux-based OS can do: http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG At least not easily. And that's my point. |
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No Linux-based OS can do this.
On 8/30/19 3:52 PM, Fang Yong wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 15:23:13 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote: Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ? No Linux-based OS can do: http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG At least not easily. And that's my point. I have not found anything even similar to this on Linux: https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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No Linux-based OS can do this.
On 8/30/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ? No Linux-based OS can do: http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG With your setup can you have the same button do different things based on the program you are in? For example, I use my thumb buttons for "Next" and "Previous", but what exactly this means -- and what hot keys to use -- is different per program. Sometimes it is next and previous tabs, other times next and previous messages, etc. And I use the middle mouse button to "Show" and "Hide" but what that means depends on the context. I talk about this some here, though it is a couple years old and a bit outdated: https://youtu.be/V791-XhhOxY -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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No Linux-based OS can do this.
On 8/30/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ? No Linux-based OS can do: http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG Hi Jeff, Holy poop! I have had multi buttons on my mice before. Drives me insane. I can't remember what does what from day to day. Two buttons and a middle button roller ball is max for me. And I have never need anything else, which is probably why I can't remember what those other buttons are suppose to do. Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards. I use the first two EXTENSIVELY and have to constantly look up the other two. When I am working on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard. What a loss of productivity. Both Windows and Linux have their strengths and weaknesses And HOLY POOP! -T |
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On 8/30/19 6:11 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 3:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc.Â* Tell me, can Linux do this ? No Linux-based OS can do: Â*Â* http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG Hi Jeff, Holy poop! I have had multi buttons on my mice before.Â* Drives me insane. I can't remember what does what from day to day.Â* Two buttons and a middle button roller ball is max for me. And I have never need anything else, which is probably why I can't remember what those other buttons are suppose to do. I like the next and previous thumb buttons... and sometimes use the other "non-standard" ones on my 8-button mouse (one of them hides programs and I use that quite a bit). Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards.Â* I use the first two EXTENSIVELY and have to constantly look up the other two.Â* When I am working on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard.Â* What a loss of productivity. I get the value of a good clipboard manager... but why two clipboards? Not saying you are wrong, just curious how you use them. Both Windows and Linux have their strengths and weaknesses And HOLY POOP! -T -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On 8/30/19 7:19 PM, Snit wrote:
I get the value of a good clipboard manager... but why two clipboards? NotÂ*sayingÂ*youÂ*areÂ*wrong,Â*justÂ*curiousÂ*how *youÂ*useÂ*them. Hi Snit, This is a document on how to use the Secondary Selection clipboard. Scroll down to the video and he will go over all four with examples http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/sec...selection.html I wrote a module in Perl 6 to read and write to the main to clipboards: Usage examples: WritePrimaryClipboard ("abc"); # Mouse over WriteSecondaryClipboard ('xyz'); # ctrlc my $PClip = ReadPrimaryClipboard(); # Center click my $SClip = ReadSecondaryClipboard(); # ctrlv -T |
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On 8/30/19 8:32 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 7:19 PM, Snit wrote: I get the value of a good clipboard manager... but why two clipboards? NotÂ*sayingÂ*youÂ*areÂ*wrong,Â*justÂ*curiousÂ*how *youÂ*useÂ*them. Hi Snit, This is a document on how to use the Secondary Selection clipboard.Â* Scroll down to the video and he will go over all four with examples http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~lindsec/sec...selection.html He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. BUT, of course to each their own. I am not in any way saying you are wrong FOR YOU. What I do would not work for many -- I use the middle button for "hide/show" in a lot of programs, and to open links in a new tab for other programs. I wrote a module in Perl 6 to read and write to the main to clipboards: Â* Usage examples: Â*Â*Â*Â* WritePrimaryClipboard ("abc");Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # Mouse over Â*Â*Â*Â* WriteSecondaryClipboard ('xyz');Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # ctrlc Â*Â*Â*Â* my $PClipÂ*Â* = ReadPrimaryClipboard();Â*Â*Â* # Center click Â*Â*Â*Â* my $SClipÂ*Â* = ReadSecondaryClipboard();Â* # ctrlv -T -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote:
He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard. You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard. I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. |
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In article , T wrote:
Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards. I use the first two EXTENSIVELY and have to constantly look up the other two. When I am working on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard. What a loss of productivity. Open an untitled file in TextEdit and drag/drop in and out of it. You can have as many clipboards as you want. -- :- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The first law of discordiamism: The more energy This post / \ to make order is nore energy made into entropy. insults Islam. Mohammed |
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T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. I can see the benefit of that — a bit more streamlined than what I do with a clipboard manager. For example: select paragraph of a news article then copy, select URL then move and middle click to get the URL and then paste the copied content. Would be easier than jumping back and forth or even copy, copy, paste, use clipboard manager (though the latter is not much different). And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard. You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... My terminal uses the same hit keys as the rest of my system, but I see what you are saying. And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard. I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. I see the benefit with the URL / content example — and similar cases — but would not want to give up my middle click for it. A good clipboard manager gives much the same benefit. Still, to each their own. Thanks for the example. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc. Tell me, can Linux do this ? Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by binding commands to keys and buttons. For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24 different commands can be run. I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need the key modifier. And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it. No Linux-based OS can do: http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG I hate everything about your mouse. gag |
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On 8/31/19 12:36 AM, Dynamo Fireball wrote:
On 08/30/2019 03:23 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: Fang Yong wrote: So tell me, how do you get a multi-button mouse working under Linux where you can EASILY program the buttons to perform tasks like launching web browser etc.Â* Tell me, can Linux do this ? Yes. A Compiz plugin, named "Commands", will let me launch programs by binding commands to keys and buttons. For a mouse with up to 9 buttons, using key modifiers as necessary, 24 different commands can be run. I just EASILY programmed Ctrl + Button1 to launch tintii, a simple picture editor. If my mouse had more than 3 buttons I wouldn't need the key modifier. And now I'll disable the Commands plugin again, because I don't want it. Can you set buttons based on what program you are in? For example, set the thumb buttons (on mice which have them) to be next and previous tabs or messages in different programs? No Linux-based OS can do: Â*Â* http://Jeff-Relf.Me/MouseKeyboardLayout.PNG I hate everything about your mouse. gag -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On 8/30/19 11:53 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article , T wrote: Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards. I use the first two EXTENSIVELY and have to constantly look up the other two. When I am working on Windows, I hate the it only has one clipboard. What a loss of productivity. Open an untitled file in TextEdit and drag/drop in and out of it. You can have as many clipboards as you want. I am currently using CopyLess 2 on macOS... here is how I would do the task shown: https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78 Really pretty easy with even free (no cost) tools. If you look at my video you can see I do not even have the "pro" (paid) version which gives extra goodies. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On 8/30/19 10:39 PM, T wrote:
On 8/30/19 9:11 PM, Snit wrote: He is showing different methods, but now showing the value of two clipboards (at least that I saw). Personally I would hate to have my middle button tied up for that... and to have two clipboards means I would have to track of what is in each and how I copied stuff in each, and in Linux which program and which system keeps which clipboard when I quit a program. Or exit a program... depending on which term the program uses. What I like to do is highlight some text and place it into the secondary clipboard (ctrlc, then highlight some more text (primary clipboard) to place it into the primary clipboard, move to where I want to drop it (ctrlv and center click) and I only have to go back and forth once. And when dealing with terminal, the primary clipboard to 1000 times easier to use than the secondary clipboard.Â* You highlight what you want, then drop it with the center click. Very few actions needed. Much faster than the secondary clipboard and you don't lose track of what you are thinking because you had to right click, find copy , and click, then right click again, find paste ... And xterms do not support the secondary clipboard.Â* I use a lot of xterms. ya, the other two clipboards are pretty much useless. Sorry to respond a second time to your message, but in case you missed it, here is how I would do the "foo bar baz" task: https://youtu.be/Eg-VaR2SP78 I use only one clipboard, but it has a memory and hot keys to allow me to paste things in reverse order. And on macOS the terminal uses the same hotkeys (the hot keys are Command and not Control, so this is not an issue). AGAIN, though, to each their own... just sharing how I do stuff. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 18:11:54 -0700, T wrote:
Oh and Linux has FOUR clipboards. Linux has ZERO "clipboards." The idea of a "clipboard" is only a cheesy Micro**** invention. In X Window, clipboards are called SELECTIONS. X Window has THREE _standard_ SELECTIONS, one of which is called the "clipboard." (But X actually has ZERO selections as explained below.) In X, selections are defined by the client (i.e. user program). X acts only as a broker between clients. This idea, in contrast to Micro**** Winblows, is far more flexible and powerful. However, any number of selections can be defined by a client and therefore, in principle, X can have an ARBITRARY number of selections. Of course, if an X client (i.e. user program) wished to define a selection (a.k.a. clipboard) known as "MY_CLIPBOARD" then other clients would need to know about this selection type in advance. The standard selections, primary, secondary, and clipboard, are already known to X clients. Don't forget that X does not emulate Micro**** Winblows. The selection principle is fundamentally different. But X actually has ZERO selections (i.e. clipboards). A selection is owned (i.e. created) by a client and once the client terminates so does the selection. X does not maintain the selection; it only transfers selections between clients. In summary: In X, clipboard = selection. X defines three standard selection types for clients to use, but any client is free to set up its own selection type. X does not actually maintain or store selections; it only transfers them between clients. The client will set up a selection and then store data within it, and the format of the data can be anything. |
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