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Alan Holmes wrote:

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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Alan Holmes wrote:

How do I make a startup disc to enable me to start the computer
in DOS mode?

I'm sure I was given the option of making one when I started to
install WIN XP, but at the time I didn't think it was important
so I gave it a miss.


There's normally no need for an ERD (Emergency Rescue Disk) with
WinXP. The WinXP installation CD is bootable, and provides access to
the Recovery Console.


But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos mode?

Brush up on all the dos 6.22 comands

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bse26236/...help/INDEX.HTM



Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
http://support.microsoft.com/directo...;en-us;Q314058



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Alan Holmes wrote:

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

Alan Holmes wrote:

How do I make a startup disc to enable me to start the computer
in DOS mode?

I'm sure I was given the option of making one when I started to
install WIN XP, but at the time I didn't think it was important
so I gave it a miss.


There's normally no need for an ERD (Emergency Rescue Disk) with
WinXP. The WinXP installation CD is bootable, and provides access to
the Recovery Console.


But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos mode?




Here u go



http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q305595/

Create your Boot disk using XP




Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
http://support.microsoft.com/directo...;en-us;Q314058



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Bruce Chambers

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Alan Holmes wrote:



But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos mode?




Not to put too fine a point on it, you can't.

There is no way to reboot a WinXP PC into Real Mode DOS unless
you've set up a dual-boot system. The WinNT family of 32-bit
graphical operating systems, of which WinXP is the latest generation,
has never used, included, or "ridden upon" MS-DOS. The Recovery
Console's CLI (Command Line Interface) is the closest you can come to
the old "DOS mode." What, precisely, are you trying to accomplish?


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Bruce Chambers

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There is no dos mode in win XP. Bill
"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...

How do I make a startup disc to enable me to start the computer
in DOS mode?

I'm sure I was given the option of making one when I started to
install WIN XP, but at the time I didn't think it was important
so I gave it a miss.
--
alan

reply to alan(dot)holmes27(at)virgin(dot)net

In ,
Alan Holmes typed:

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in
message
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There's normally no need for an ERD (Emergency Rescue Disk)
with
WinXP. The WinXP installation CD is bootable, and provides
access to
the Recovery Console.

But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos
mode?


Put a diskette in the A: drive. In My Computer, right-click on it
and choose Format. In the dialog box, check the box "Create an
MS-DOS startup disk."

But be aware that if your hard drive is NTFS, a DOS diskette
won't be able to see it anyway (at least not without special
sorftware) so it's generally useless.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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In ,
Bill Summers typed:

There is no dos mode in win XP.


Although that's true, it's not really pertinent to his question.
He's not looking for MS-DOS in XP, he wants to boot to MS-DOS
from a diskette.

And he *can* do that, although as I've pointed out, if his hard
drive is NTFS, it's not generally useful. Nor is it needed.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...

How do I make a startup disc to enable me to start the
computer
in DOS mode?

I'm sure I was given the option of making one when I started
to
install WIN XP, but at the time I didn't think it was
important
so I gave it a miss.

Alan Holmes wrote:
There's normally no need for an ERD (Emergency Rescue Disk) with
WinXP. The WinXP installation CD is bootable, and provides access to
the Recovery Console.

But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos mode?

What do you mean "dos mode"? If by dos you mean MS-DOS then you should know
that MS-DOS and Windows XP are parts of two different product lines.

Windows 1 through Windows for Workgroups 3.11 was only GUI shells that
provided add-on functionality to the original MS-DOS operating system. These
two were later bundled into one product and released as Windows 95, later
superceeded by Windows 98 and ME. If you only wanted the command line
functionality without the GUI you had an option during startup for just
that. XP is based on the NT product line, which has nothing to do with
MS-DOS. Thus, no "dos mode".

The only thing close to a command line without a GUI is the recovery
console, which in the case of 2000 and XP is designed for just that:
recovery. You can fix boot records, manipulate files and registers, but
apart from that you have no applications designed to be run from this
environment.

If you want DOS you have to options:

1) Install a DOS-based OS on your disk. This can include MS-DOS 6.22,
Windows 98 or the open source MS-DOS clone FreeDOS (www.freedos.org)

2) Run a DOS-based OS from a removable media. Any of the above can be run
from a single floppy. Making your own bootable CD with your selected
applications is also possible.

If you want any more help than that it would be helpful to know excactly
what it is you hope to accomplish.

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Alan Holmes wrote:



But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos mode?




Not to put too fine a point on it, you can't.

There is no way to reboot a WinXP PC into Real Mode DOS unless
you've set up a dual-boot system. The WinNT family of 32-bit
graphical operating systems, of which WinXP is the latest generation,
has never used, included, or "ridden upon" MS-DOS. The Recovery Console's
CLI (Command Line Interface) is the closest you can come to the old "DOS
mode." What, precisely, are you trying to accomplish?

I'm trying to make a full backup of ALL the information on the C drive,
the backup suppleied with win xp does not do that.

On thing which would help is xcopy, but it is not possible to use that
from the command prompt in winxp, so I need to be able to start the
machine in command prompt fashion.

--
alan

reply to alan(dot)holmes27(at)virgin(dot)net

"I'm trying to make a full backup of ALL the information on the C drive"

Read the reviews of backup software in the major PC e-zines, like PC World
(www.pcworld.com), PC Magazine (www.pcmag.com) or Cnet (www.cnet.com), to
name just a few.

Ted Zieglar

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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Alan Holmes wrote:



But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos mode?




Not to put too fine a point on it, you can't.

There is no way to reboot a WinXP PC into Real Mode DOS unless
you've set up a dual-boot system. The WinNT family of 32-bit
graphical operating systems, of which WinXP is the latest generation,
has never used, included, or "ridden upon" MS-DOS. The Recovery
Console's CLI (Command Line Interface) is the closest you can come to the
old "DOS mode." What, precisely, are you trying to accomplish?

I'm trying to make a full backup of ALL the information on the C drive,
the backup suppleied with win xp does not do that.

On thing which would help is xcopy, but it is not possible to use that
from the command prompt in winxp, so I need to be able to start the
machine in command prompt fashion.

--
alan

reply to alan(dot)holmes27(at)virgin(dot)net

Alan Holmes wrote:


I'm trying to make a full backup of ALL the information on the C drive,
the backup suppleied with win xp does not do that.

On thing which would help is xcopy, but it is not possible to use that
from the command prompt in winxp, so I need to be able to start the
machine in command prompt fashion.



If you want a backup copy of the entire drive, to include system files,
you should look into using one of the many drive imaging solutions
available. Any one of these would greatly simplify what you're trying
to do.

--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

The ideal way to backup your hard drive or partitions is use an imaging
program similar to Norton's Ghost and I am no way associate with Symantec.
There are other good imaging programs you can get information on by
googling.

I happen to prefer Ghost 2003, but others do work well. These programs can
create images of your hard drive that can be stored in many ways. The
system I use for backing up is storing images of my C and D drives on a
partition that is not to be imaged and also placing the images on DVD-rw's
in case Windows will not boot or my hard drive totally fails. Backing up
the hard drive(s) on a regular basis is very important. I do a backup after
major windows update or new programs are added. I usually wait a few days
to make sure the system is running smooth.

As for data, I just burn that to a DVD-rw periodically as needed. This
usually included my address book for OE, Favorites, my webpage files and
images used to make webpages etc.

My method has served me well and saved my bacon a few times. It may take an
hour to make the images, but to restore the images takes half that time.
This surely better than spending days reformatting and reinstalling 50
programs.

A good imaging program is well worth the expense.

Good luck
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Alan Holmes wrote:


I'm trying to make a full backup of ALL the information on the C drive,
the backup suppleied with win xp does not do that.

On thing which would help is xcopy, but it is not possible to use that
from the command prompt in winxp, so I need to be able to start the
machine in command prompt fashion.



If you want a backup copy of the entire drive, to include system files,
you should look into using one of the many drive imaging solutions
available. Any one of these would greatly simplify what you're trying to
do.

--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

"André Gulliksen" wrote in message
...
Alan Holmes wrote:
There's normally no need for an ERD (Emergency Rescue Disk) with
WinXP. The WinXP installation CD is bootable, and provides access to
the Recovery Console.

But it does NOT allow you to start in dos mode!

So, how do I make a startup disc to allow me to start in dos mode?

What do you mean "dos mode"? If by dos you mean MS-DOS then you should
know that MS-DOS and Windows XP are parts of two different product lines.

Windows 1 through Windows for Workgroups 3.11 was only GUI shells that
provided add-on functionality to the original MS-DOS operating system.
These two were later bundled into one product and released as Windows 95,
later superceeded by Windows 98 and ME. If you only wanted the command
line functionality without the GUI you had an option during startup for
just that. XP is based on the NT product line, which has nothing to do
with MS-DOS. Thus, no "dos mode".

The only thing close to a command line without a GUI is the recovery
console, which in the case of 2000 and XP is designed for just that:
recovery. You can fix boot records, manipulate files and registers, but
apart from that you have no applications designed to be run from this
environment.

If you want DOS you have to options:

1) Install a DOS-based OS on your disk. This can include MS-DOS 6.22,
Windows 98 or the open source MS-DOS clone FreeDOS (www.freedos.org)

I have a set of discs for DOS 6.22, But I'm concerned that if I try to
instal it, it will be blocked due to the fact that the current operating
system is later than the DOS system.

So, how can I instal DOS 6.22?

2) Run a DOS-based OS from a removable media. Any of the above can be run
from a single floppy. Making your own bootable CD with your selected
applications is also possible.

But how?

If you want any more help than that it would be helpful to know excactly
what it is you hope to accomplish.

I'm trying to make a FULL backup of everything which is on the C drive,
so that in the event of a failure I can get back everything to where
it was before the failure just like in the good old days of DOS.

--
alan

reply to alan(dot)holmes27(at)virgin(dot)net

Alan Holmes wrote:
I have a set of discs for DOS 6.22, But I'm concerned that if I try to
instal it, it will be blocked due to the fact that the current
operating system is later than the DOS system.


Not likely. Most likely your OS is on an NTFS partition, and MS-DOS cannot
even detect any OS on those. You will need a FAT-formatted (not FAT32,
unless you are installing Windows 95 OSR2 or later) primary partition.
Unless this partition is the first partition on the disk and/or the
partition is set to bootable you may run into errors. Also, any installation
of MS-DOS or Windows 9x will probably overwrite your MBR, so you will need
to fix this after installation.

2) Run a DOS-based OS from a removable media. Any of the above can
be run from a single floppy. Making your own bootable CD with your
selected applications is also possible.

But how?

http://www.bootdisk.com is a good start.

I'm trying to make a FULL backup of everything which is on the C
drive, so that in the event of a failure I can get back everything to
where it was before the failure just like in the good old days of DOS.

In that case you should probably look into imaging applications such as
Ghost.