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Hi all,
An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b. When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account, which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user account with Gebruiker. Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories. I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first name. Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and in this xxx account he can log in. I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account. But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account? Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help. Fokke |
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b. When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account, which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user account with Gebruiker. Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories. I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first name. Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and in this xxx account he can log in. I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account. But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account? Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help. Fokke Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows doesn't work like that. After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post back if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely solves anything. /--- This email has been checked for viruses by Windows Defender software. //https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/ comprehensive-security/ Oh dear, seems you forgot to append your usual html nonsense, not losing it are you (assuming you ever had it). Still, you're as obnoxious as ever. |
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On 04/07/2018 13:47, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote: On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b. When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account, which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user account with Gebruiker. Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories. I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first name. Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and in this xxx account he can log in. I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account. But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account? Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help. Fokke Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows doesn't work like that. After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post back if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely solves anything. cut Everything has been renamed and not by me. The admin account has his surname, his user account had his first name. And if you can't do better than producing "We don't need to know how stupid you are" you better shut up. Fokke |
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"Fokke Nauta" wrote
| When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account, | which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch | for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users | directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user | account with Gebruiker. I'm not sure, but it sounds like you're talking about Admin and Default. I don't generally use "users" so I'm not sure of possible complications, but in case it helps, you can save this to a text file with the extension .vbs and run it to see the path of the current user's docs folder. That will at least tell you what Windows thinks he's logged in as. Set SH = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") s3 = SH.Specialfolders("MyDocuments") MsgBox s3 Set sh = Nothing |
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Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 04/07/2018 13:47, Dave wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote: On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b. When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account, which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user account with Gebruiker. Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories. I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first name. Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and in this xxx account he can log in. I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account. But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account? Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help. Fokke Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows doesn't work like that. After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post back if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely solves anything. cut Everything has been renamed and not by me. The admin account has his surname, his user account had his first name. And if you can't do better than producing "We don't need to know how stupid you are" you better shut up. Fokke Were you replying to GG ? Your post is tacked onto Daves. With regard to account discussions, there is the "real" administrator account, there is the "first" user account created when you are opening a system OOBE (Out Of Box Experience), and then there can be other accounts created later. The "real" administrator is account 500. The "first" account might be account 1000, where the user has their name, plus that user belongs to the "administrator group". That's how the user can do administrator things (via UAC prompts), without being the actual administrator. If you wanted to create a "second" account, that would be account 1001 and so on. Some people setting up computers, might create a limited account so that user "can't get into trouble". It's like the first account, only it's not a member of the Administrator Group. account 500 "administrator" (when enabled, has a home directory) account 1000 "Fokke" [belongs Admin group] (can install things) account 1001 "Airhead" [Fokke makes it a non-Admin-group account] [Limited, to keep Airhead out of trouble] There aren't a lot of really solid technical reasons, to "enable" the true administrator account 500 and give it a home directory and so on. Account 1000 in the example table above, has all of the "power" of Administrator. Windows generally tries to keep at least one account with administrator capability and has sloppy physical security on purpose to make it easier for support people of one sort or another, to regain administrator-level control. This is yet another reason why account 1000 created during the OS install, belongs to the administrator group. You can review your accounts, using some of the techniques here. https://www.howtogeek.com/286707/how...heir-settings/ What I have trouble with, is the logic Microsoft uses when dealing with local accounts versus MSA accounts. There are several possibilities. During install, installer uses a local account setup. The results are predictable. During install, installer uses MSA immediately for first account. The "username" is set to the first_word of the MSA account string. So if you set up a fake MSA with ", your home directory will be dorkus forever. After install, user decides later to change to MSA. Home directory ends up with local_name, but account name is set to first_word of MSA account string. This is very confusing, especially for repair people. I think the third option may have happened to your 80 year old user. They got tricked into adding an MSA to the local account. Paul |
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On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote:
Fokke Nauta wrote: On 04/07/2018 13:47, Dave wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote: On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b. When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account, which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user account with Gebruiker. Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories. I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first name. Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and in this xxx account he can log in. I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account. But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account? Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help. Fokke Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows doesn't work like that. After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post back if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely solves anything. cut Everything has been renamed and not by me. The admin account has his surname, his user account had his first name. And if you can't do better than producing "We don't need to know how stupid you are" you better shut up. Fokke Were you replying to GG ? No, I was replying to Dave. He replied to my post. Who is GG? Your post is tacked onto Daves. Yes, he replied to me. With regard to account discussions, there is the "real" administrator account, there is the "first" user account created when you are opening a system OOBE (Out Of Box Experience), and then there can be other accounts created later. The "real" administrator is account 500. The "first" account might be account 1000, where the user has their name, plus that user belongs to the "administrator group". That's how the user can do administrator things (via UAC prompts), without being the actual administrator. If you wanted to create a "second" account, that would be account 1001 and so on. Some people setting up computers, might create a limited account so that user "can't get into trouble". It's like the first account, only it's not a member of the Administrator Group. account 500 "administrator" (when enabled, has a home directory) account 1000 "Fokke" [belongs Admin group] (can install things) account 1001 "Airhead" [Fokke makes it a non-Admin-group account] [Limited, to keep Airhead out of trouble] There aren't a lot of really solid technical reasons, to "enable" the true administrator account 500 and give it a home directory and so on. Account 1000 in the example table above, has all of the "power" of Administrator. This is very interesting stuff. I'll have a look into it. But where can I find these numbers? Windows generally tries to keep at least one account with administrator capability and has sloppy physical security on purpose to make it easier for support people of one sort or another, to regain administrator-level control. This is yet another reason why account 1000 created during the OS install, belongs to the administrator group. You can review your accounts, using some of the techniques here. https://www.howtogeek.com/286707/how...heir-settings/ Thanks! I will certainly do this. What I have trouble with, is the logic Microsoft uses when dealing with local accounts versus MSA accounts. There are several possibilities. During install, installer uses a local account setup. The results are predictable. During install, installer uses MSA immediately for first account. The "username" is set to the first_word of the MSA account string. So if you set up a fake MSA with ", your home directory will be dorkus forever. After install, user decides later to change to MSA. Home directory ends up with local_name, but account name is set to first_word of MSA account string. This is very confusing, especially for repair people. I think the third option may have happened to your 80 year old user. They got tricked into adding an MSA to the local account. Paul I just asked him and indeed he has been using a Microsoft account. The more I think about it, the more I feel like re-installing W10 from fresh. But you helped me on my way. See what I can do. Thanks! Fokke |
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On 04/07/2018 20:14, Mayayana wrote:
"Fokke Nauta" wrote | When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account, | which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch | for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users | directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user | account with Gebruiker. I'm not sure, but it sounds like you're talking about Admin and Default. I don't generally use "users" so I'm not sure of possible complications, but in case it helps, you can save this to a text file with the extension .vbs and run it to see the path of the current user's docs folder. That will at least tell you what Windows thinks he's logged in as. Set SH = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") s3 = SH.Specialfolders("MyDocuments") MsgBox s3 Set sh = Nothing Thanks. I will try this. Fokke |
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On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote:
cut Were you replying to GG ? Paul, you are right. In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:" But the sender is Dave. What's going on here? Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you. And now I know what you mean with GG. Your post is tacked onto Daves. Yes, the "From" is Dave. Time 13.47. Could this be the consequences of a filter deleting GG? That I respond to Dave, but somehow see the post of GG? Fokke cut |
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On 04/07/2018 20:34, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote: cut Were you replying to GG ? Paul, you are right. In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:" But the sender is Dave. What's going on here? Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you. And now I know what you mean with GG. Your post is tacked onto Daves. Yes, the "From" is Dave. Time 13.47. Could this be the consequences of a filter deleting GG? That I respond to Dave, but somehow see the post of GG? Fokke cut GG and Dave is the same person. The name keeps changing when time changes. For some reasons he attacks anybody for asking any questions about Windows, Linux or Apple Mac. Nobody knows what is he here for. Trolling comes to mind. |
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"Fokke Nauta" wrote | Paul, you are right. | In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, | ?? Good Guy ?? wrote:" | | But the sender is Dave. What's going on here? | Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you. | And now I know what you mean with GG. | Maybe you block Good Guy? Many of us do. I also saw a post from Dave, but with GG at the top, because I filter out GG. Goog Guy is a mean-spirited, extreme Microsoft fan who occasionally says something coherent but mostly just attacks people and, oddly, makes a big deal about using HTML format. It's a moral issue for him. |
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On 04/07/2018 22:30, Peter wrote:
On 04/07/2018 20:34, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote: cut Were you replying to GG ? Paul, you are right. In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:" But the sender is Dave. What's going on here? Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you. And now I know what you mean with GG. Your post is tacked onto Daves. Yes, the "From" is Dave. Time 13.47. Could this be the consequences of a filter deleting GG? That I respond to Dave, but somehow see the post of GG? Fokke cut GG and Dave is the same person. The name keeps changing when time changes. For some reasons he attacks anybody for asking any questions about Windows, Linux or Apple Mac. Nobody knows what is he here for. Trolling comes to mind. Thanks! It's clear to me now. Fokke |
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On 04/07/2018 23:52, Mayayana wrote:
"Fokke Nauta" wrote | Paul, you are right. | In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, | ?? Good Guy ?? wrote:" | | But the sender is Dave. What's going on here? | Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you. | And now I know what you mean with GG. | Maybe you block Good Guy? Yes, I do. Many of us do. I also saw a post from Dave, but with GG at the top, because I filter out GG. Yes, for me the same. I was quite surprised. Goog Guy is a mean-spirited, extreme Microsoft fan who occasionally says something coherent but mostly just attacks people and, oddly, makes a big deal about using HTML format. It's a moral issue for him. He's a bit mad, I guess ... Fokke |
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