Those idiot password changes

"Diesel" wrote

| We have been changing our forms of communication for hundreds of
| years, texting is just
|
| In some respects we have yes. However, our primary method of
| communication as a species is still performed by reading body
| language and emotion. Neither of which communicates well over text
| based communications systems, past or present.
|

I think that there's also another aspect that people
often don't recognize. Texting is quick, easy, and often
done "on the go". It's casual. The art of language is
ignored. Ideas are not well thought out or carefully
expressed. It goes with a hasty mode of being. That's
OK for, "I'm running 10 minutes late". It's not OK for,
"I was thinking about Mom's death..."

Years ago I used to spend an afternoon writing a letter
to someone. Then I'd wait 2-3 weeks for a response. That
was thoughtful writing. I rarely spend so much time with
email. (I don't text at all.)

Diesel wrote:
Chris news Jun 2018 07:41:25 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Diesel wrote:
Nil
Thu, 14 Jun 2018
18:57:28 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

They respond to text messaging only, which is totally
inadequate for real communication.

I was discussing this very issue with a co worker today. We both
agreed that texting just doesn't work for real communications.

What on earth is "real" communication?

Complete communication. You can't represent body language or emotion
reliably over text based communications.

That's true, however, I wouldn't call texting any less real than other
forms of communication.

We have been changing our forms of communication for hundreds of
years, texting is just

In some respects we have yes. However, our primary method of
communication as a species is still performed by reading body
language and emotion. Neither of which communicates well over text
based communications systems, past or present.

Not sure it's our primary method. Personally and professionally speaking in
person is done with the minority of our contacts.

another option. It's perfectly possible to communicate via text -
millions do it every day.

I don't believe anyone stated otherwise. It's one thing to
communicate and another to have a complete conversation.If you need
specific answers to specific questions which require nothing more
than a technical response, text based communications of all kinds
typically serve that purpose well.

If you're having a 'heart to heart' discussion, text based
communications platforms are not the most efficient or reliable
manner in which to do that. You cannot read body language (at all)
and it's difficult to accurately pickup on emotions via text as well.

Harder, but not impossible. Better to communicate via text than not at all.

On 6/13/2018 8:34 AM, T wrote:

If you pick a good solid password that is not hacked by the
bad guys first attempt at running tables at you, why change
your password just to give him a second chance to
find you in his tables?Â* Changing your passwords constantly is
not a good security feature.

It's hard to remember if you change passwords frequently in many many
accounts.

Keep in mind though that picking an easy password is even worse.
The best ones are run on phrases.Â* Mine are up to 30 characters.

You just canNOT escape from lucky hackers!

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Chris news Jun 2018 07:28:57 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Complete communication. You can't represent body language or
emotion reliably over text based communications.

That's true, however, I wouldn't call texting any less real than
other forms of communication.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Texting has it's uses, but..
real communication never was intended to be one of them.

In some respects we have yes. However, our primary method of
communication as a species is still performed by reading body
language and emotion. Neither of which communicates well over
text based communications systems, past or present.

Not sure it's our primary method. Personally and professionally
speaking in person is done with the minority of our contacts.

It's a fairly simple thing to google and independently verify. No
need to take my word for it. Technology is great, don't get me wrong,
but, it's not a suitable replacement for in person communications,
either.

I don't believe anyone stated otherwise. It's one thing to
communicate and another to have a complete conversation.If you
need specific answers to specific questions which require nothing
more than a technical response, text based communications of all
kinds typically serve that purpose well.

If you're having a 'heart to heart' discussion, text based
communications platforms are not the most efficient or reliable
manner in which to do that. You cannot read body language (at
all) and it's difficult to accurately pickup on emotions via text
as well.

Harder, but not impossible. Better to communicate via text than
not at all.

In so much as to acknowledge the important message and indicate
you'll be there in person (if possible) shortly or call them using
your voice, to speak with them.


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"Diesel" wrote in message
36ntxlbWOQm8F.8j67YA0ygNa3QmxQYTU7...
That's true, however, I wouldn't call texting any less real than
other forms of communication.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Texting has it's uses, but..
real communication never was intended to be one of them.

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that people
don't write complete sentences and because of limitations on the number of
characters in a text (at least historically) and the problem of typing on a
tiny on-screen keyboard, people become very terse and abbreviate words.

NY wrote:
"Diesel" wrote in message
36ntxlbWOQm8F.8j67YA0ygNa3QmxQYTU7...
That's true, however, I wouldn't call texting any less real than
other forms of communication.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Texting has it's uses, but..
real communication never was intended to be one of them.

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that people
don't write complete sentences and because of limitations on the number of
characters in a text (at least historically) and the problem of typing on a
tiny on-screen keyboard, people become very terse and abbreviate words.



Being able to write concisely and clearly is a strength not a weakness.

Multi-paragraph emails are just as capable of being nonsensical as a 140
character tweet/txt.

You adapt to the medium.

"Diesel" wrote in message ...

Wolf K
Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:30:01 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On 2018-06-12 20:45, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T
writes:
Hi w10 and w7,

I have been bitching about this for ages.

Time to rethink mandatory password changes

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blog...03/time-rethin
k-manda tory-password-changes

If you pick a good solid password that is not hacked by the
bad guys first attempt at running tables at you, why change
your password just to give him a second chance to
find you in his tables? Changing your passwords constantly is
not a good security feature.

Agreed.

Keep in mind though that picking an easy password is even worse.
The best ones are run on phrases. Mine are up to 30
characters.

Well, best as a combination of security and chance that you'll
remember them. Best for security alone are as near totally random
as you can get, but they're going to be impossible to remember.

-T

A good source of phrases is your own history. Eg, this sequence
derives from a couple of sentences about my life:
mbswbligsihttttfthomtbaf. Convert a few letters to numerics or
capitals, and may look "as near totally random" as you desi
mbswb11gs1HtTttft60Mt6af


Would the word flmwombat have any meaning to you?


Damn, now you gave away most of my favorite pswd.
No privacy anymore...

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Chris wrote:

NY wrote:
"Diesel" wrote in message
36ntxlbWOQm8F.8j67YA0ygNa3QmxQYTU7...
That's true, however, I wouldn't call texting any less real than
other forms of communication.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Texting has it's uses, but..
real communication never was intended to be one of them.

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that people
don't write complete sentences and because of limitations on the number of
characters in a text (at least historically) and the problem of typing on a
tiny on-screen keyboard, people become very terse and abbreviate words.


Being able to write concisely and clearly is a strength not a weakness.

Multi-paragraph emails are just as capable of being nonsensical as a 140
character tweet/txt.

You adapt to the medium.

That's not what NY said, but they you're trying to divert from the
issue. Clarity is lost with overuse of acronyms, abbreviations, or
initalisms along with the abundance of mispellings (accidental or
deliberate) from using a device that is not ergonomically designed for
the physical characteristics of humans. Texting is an modern example of
humans miscommunicating due to overly-condensed and overly-short
verbiage.

Find someone that writes poorly in their texts. Have them compose a
message of 500 words long. You'll realize that they are just as inept
in written communication no matter what the venue for delivery. Texting
just amplifies their poor written communication skills. Peculiarly
there are poor texters that switch their style when changing to a
different communication venue, like writing an essay or sending e-mail.
They're lazy or cutsy in one form but proficient in other forms. They
change their style according to context. Alas, most of the poor texters
that I've encountered are also poor e-mailers and doc writers. Finding
a good texter is like finding a good apple in a barrel of rotten ones:
the majority reflects the style of the communication venue, and texting
sucks for clarity and intelligibility. Part of the cause is the
enforced reduction in the length of the communication and of texters
trying to compose within that limit. When you call someone and get
their voicemail that says you have 10 seconds to leave a message, the
caller has to quickly cogitate a response but often stumbles in
execution. Goldfish have been proven to have longer retention spans
than humans. Sad.

Way too often writers think they should write like they talk. After
all, these same writers are speaking the words in their head as they
read or write so that's how they write: how they talk. Those are two
different communication skills. Babies learn to talk by copying and
repetition. Writing is a learned skill that takes practice but too
often humans don't expend the effort to practice and improve. They
write like they talk which results in poorly written communication.

What boobs think reverting to hieroglyphics is better communication?
That language died because it was vague and skewed to interpretation.
Christianized Egyptians replace hieroglyphics with the Coptic alphabet
without which interpretations (not exact transcripts) of earlier
Egyptian text would not be possible. Yet today we have modern
hieroglypics in the form of emoticons, so texters (and e-mailers) are
devolving to hieroglyphics. Cutsy and overly abbreviated communication
is vague communication.

Yes, texters can be succint and still be clear. Yes, texters can
communicate well. That's not typical. The technology is crippling
their practice in /writing/ well. Reinforcement makes them bad texters.

VanguardLH wrote:
Chris wrote:

NY wrote:
"Diesel" wrote in message
36ntxlbWOQm8F.8j67YA0ygNa3QmxQYTU7...
That's true, however, I wouldn't call texting any less real than
other forms of communication.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Texting has it's uses, but..
real communication never was intended to be one of them.

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that people
don't write complete sentences and because of limitations on the number of
characters in a text (at least historically) and the problem of typing on a
tiny on-screen keyboard, people become very terse and abbreviate words.


Being able to write concisely and clearly is a strength not a weakness.

Multi-paragraph emails are just as capable of being nonsensical as a 140
character tweet/txt.

You adapt to the medium.

That's not what NY said, but they you're trying to divert from the
issue.

What exactly isn't what NY said? I'm simply trying to express an opposing
view.

Clarity is lost with overuse of acronyms, abbreviations, or
initalisms along with the abundance of mispellings (accidental or
deliberate) from using a device that is not ergonomically designed for
the physical characteristics of humans. Texting is an modern example of
humans miscommunicating due to overly-condensed and overly-short
verbiage.

Find someone that writes poorly in their texts. Have them compose a
message of 500 words long. You'll realize that they are just as inept
in written communication no matter what the venue for delivery. Texting
just amplifies their poor written communication skills. Peculiarly
there are poor texters that switch their style when changing to a
different communication venue, like writing an essay or sending e-mail.
They're lazy or cutsy in one form but proficient in other forms. They
change their style according to context. Alas, most of the poor texters
that I've encountered are also poor e-mailers and doc writers. Finding
a good texter is like finding a good apple in a barrel of rotten ones:
the majority reflects the style of the communication venue, and texting
sucks for clarity and intelligibility. Part of the cause is the
enforced reduction in the length of the communication and of texters
trying to compose within that limit. When you call someone and get
their voicemail that says you have 10 seconds to leave a message, the
caller has to quickly cogitate a response but often stumbles in
execution. Goldfish have been proven to have longer retention spans
than humans. Sad.

Way too often writers think they should write like they talk. After
all, these same writers are speaking the words in their head as they
read or write so that's how they write: how they talk. Those are two
different communication skills. Babies learn to talk by copying and
repetition. Writing is a learned skill that takes practice but too
often humans don't expend the effort to practice and improve. They
write like they talk which results in poorly written communication.

What boobs think reverting to hieroglyphics is better communication?
That language died because it was vague and skewed to interpretation.
Christianized Egyptians replace hieroglyphics with the Coptic alphabet
without which interpretations (not exact transcripts) of earlier
Egyptian text would not be possible. Yet today we have modern
hieroglypics in the form of emoticons, so texters (and e-mailers) are
devolving to hieroglyphics. Cutsy and overly abbreviated communication
is vague communication.

Yes, texters can be succint and still be clear. Yes, texters can
communicate well. That's not typical. The technology is crippling
their practice in /writing/ well. Reinforcement makes them bad texters.

You've just proved my point. You've written five paragraphs veering from
how writers write to Egyptians hieroglyphics regarding how to communicate
well, when the last paragraph is probably all you needed.

Long form is not necessarily better nor more "real" communication.

"NY"
o.uk Fri, 29 Jun
2018 08:58:58 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

"Diesel" wrote in message
36ntxlbWOQm8F.8j6
7YA0ygNa3QmxQYTU7...
That's true, however, I wouldn't call texting any less real than
other forms of communication.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Texting has it's uses,
but.. real communication never was intended to be one of them.

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that
people don't write complete sentences and because of limitations
on the number of characters in a text (at least historically) and
the problem of typing on a tiny on-screen keyboard, people become
very terse and abbreviate words.

Those are additional issues with the communications method, yes.


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"Buffalo" news Fri, 29 Jun 2018 19:12:19 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Damn, now you gave away most of my favorite pswd.
No privacy anymore...


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On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 21:02:50 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that
people don't write complete sentences and because of limitations
on the number of characters in a text (at least historically)
and the problem of typing on a tiny on-screen keyboard, people
become very terse and abbreviate words.

Those are additional issues with the communications method, yes.

Teenagers huh!

mechanic
Sun, 08 Jul 2018 10:06:15 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 21:02:50 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that
people don't write complete sentences and because of limitations
on the number of characters in a text (at least historically)
and the problem of typing on a tiny on-screen keyboard, people
become very terse and abbreviate words.

Those are additional issues with the communications method, yes.

Teenagers huh!

I've seen persons who are no longer teenagers do the same thing so...


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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Diesel wrote:
mechanic
Sun, 08 Jul 2018 10:06:15 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 21:02:50 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in that
people don't write complete sentences and because of limitations
on the number of characters in a text (at least historically)
and the problem of typing on a tiny on-screen keyboard, people
become very terse and abbreviate words.

Those are additional issues with the communications method, yes.

Teenagers huh!

I've seen persons who are no longer teenagers do the same thing so...


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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Diesel wrote:
mechanic
Sun, 08 Jul 2018 10:06:15
GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 21:02:50 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

Texting suffers compared with a paper letter or an email in
that people don't write complete sentences and because of
limitations on the number of characters in a text (at least
historically) and the problem of typing on a tiny on-screen
keyboard, people become very terse and abbreviate words.

Those are additional issues with the communications method,
yes.

Teenagers huh!

I've seen persons who are no longer teenagers do the same thing
so...


So? ICN! ..!..

ROFL!


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