how to get into safe mode with regular mode doesn't work

On 26/02/2018 06:29, T wrote:
On 02/25/2018 01:59 AM, Patrick wrote:
On 25/02/2018 01:48, T wrote:
Hi All,

Google is no help here.

How to get into safe mode with regular mode doesn't
work.Â* F8 no longer works.

Many thanks,
-T
You can 'Reboot' into the 'recovery enviroment' by holding a down a
Shift key when doing a Restart'


Hi Patrick,

You misunderstand.Â* I am looking for a way to get into safe mode
when regular mode won't boot up.Â* So, it has to be done
outside Windows.

-T
Here, (half way down page) are instructions on how to turn on the 'F8'
function;
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2984...safe-mode.html

Quote;
But what if you can’t get to the login screen? In that case, chances are
that Windows is so messed up that it couldn’t boot into Safe Mode
anyway. But here’s a trick that might work:

You’ll need a Windows 10 Recovery Drive, which hopefully you created
while your PC was working. Boot the Recovery Drive and select your
keyboard layout. Then select Troubleshoot Advanced options Command
Prompt. At the command prompt, enter these three lines, making sure to
hit Enter at the end of each one:

c:
bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy
exit
End Quote

If you have not got a Win10 repair disc, then you will need to create a
W10 Installation Disc and use that, stopping install where it shows an
option to 'Repair'.

On 2/25/18 11:32 PM, T wrote:
On 02/24/2018 07:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 2/24/18 6:48 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

Google is no help here.

How to get into safe mode with regular mode doesn't
work.Â* F8 no longer works.

Many thanks,
-T


Give this a try, I've not tried it.Â* MS keeps screwing with W10, so it
may no longer work.

https://www.windows10forums.com/arti...e-boot-menu.8/


Hi Ken,

I think you misunderstood my question. Windows has to be working
for that to work.

By "regular mode", I took that to mean you couldn't get to
Shift-Restart, to reset the boot mode normally.

I take it then, your problem is more serious?


I do believe I will use this for working versions though. msconfig
has been my go to method for when Windows is working, but only because
I can remember "msconfig". My big problem with msconfig has
been forgetting to put it back after I am through with it.

Thank you for the help!

-T




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On 02/26/2018 06:54 AM, Ken Springer wrote:


I take it then, your problem is more serious?

Hi Ken,

I thought that might be the misunderstanding.

Oh ya. Windows got stuck in a reverting settings loop that
never stopped, despite who LLLLLOOOONNNGGGG you waited.
No flashing hard drive light either.

I wound up just booting off a USB install stick and doing
an "install", which saved her documents but dropped
her programs, which weren't many. It worked out.

It was frustrating though, as I could not figure out how
to get into safe mode to check out what was going on.

I did boot off a Fedora Live USB and checked her drive
out. What a mess: a "Windows" directory with about
three files in it, a "Windows.old" director, which I got her
documents back out of, and a "$Windows.BT~" (or some such
if memory serves). Oh and a virus in "ProgramData's"
start up that wanted her to send $250 to Microsoft.

She is back up and running.

-T

On 02/26/2018 05:53 AM, Patrick wrote:
On 26/02/2018 06:29, T wrote:
On 02/25/2018 01:59 AM, Patrick wrote:
On 25/02/2018 01:48, T wrote:
Hi All,

Google is no help here.

How to get into safe mode with regular mode doesn't
work.Â* F8 no longer works.

Many thanks,
-T
You can 'Reboot' into the 'recovery enviroment' by holding a down a
Shift key when doing a Restart'


Hi Patrick,

You misunderstand.Â* I am looking for a way to get into safe mode
when regular mode won't boot up.Â* So, it has to be done
outside Windows.

-T
Here, (half way down page) are instructions on how to turn on the 'F8'
function;
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2984...safe-mode.html


Quote;
But what if you can’t get to the login screen? In that case, chances are
that Windows is so messed up that it couldn’t boot into Safe Mode
anyway. But here’s a trick that might work:

You’ll need a Windows 10 Recovery Drive, which hopefully you created
while your PC was working. Boot the Recovery Drive and select your
keyboard layout. Then select Troubleshoot Advanced options Command
Prompt. At the command prompt, enter these three lines, making sure to
hit Enter at the end of each one:

Â*Â*Â* c:
Â*Â*Â* bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy
Â*Â*Â* exit
End Quote

If you have not got a Win10 repair disc, then you will need to create a
W10 Installation Disc and use that, stopping install where it shows an
option to 'Repair'.



Hi Patrick,

I did find that, but was looking for how to get into safe mode
when an installation disk is not available. I thought I had
mentioned such. Apparently I wasn't clean enough.

No one has a "repair disk". (I personally keep an image of
my drive as backup. Love virtual machines that way.)

I do carry a 1709 USB installation stick with me, but I
can't always count on it being in good condition. I have
had computers with malfunctioning hardware or viruses
corrupt sticks before. Window 10 is hell of Linux
Live USB, so I have myself trained to only insert
them when the power is off. Back at my office I have a
"dd" backup of the 1709 stick.

The absolutely cleverest approach was the one Paul gave me
where I could go in and edit the registry directly from
a Live USB. Also, is a great time to look for viruses
in the registry "run" section and logon sections,
as well as ProgramFiles start up section. And clean
out the temp files, especially the ones that
won't delete in Windows.

Thank you for the help!
-T

On 02/26/2018 05:53 AM, Patrick wrote:
bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy

Hi Patrick,

I just did this to my Windows Nein, oops Windows Ten
virtual machine. Gives a sweet menu of about 10 items.
(For those that don't like me calling it Nein,
you should see my wallpaper, you would go into
spasms.)

I am beside myself as to why M$ would turn something
off that is so helpful by default.

The prevailing wisdom is that it cuts two seconds
off the boot. WHO CARE ?!?! Window takes forever
to boot anyway and everyone is use to it!

I have given up trying to understand how M$ thinks.

-T

On 2018-02-26 01:27, T wrote:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\SafeBoot\Option]
"OptionValue"=dword:00000001

Wow, I was unable to find DaRT 10 anywhere (Thank you MS for making this
essential tool a part of the $$$ MDOP package).

Nice to know there is a registry editor in KRD.

Regards,

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On 2018-02-26 16:48, T wrote:

On 02/26/2018 05:53 AM, Patrick wrote:
bcdedit /set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy

Hi Patrick,

I just did this to my Windows Nein, oops Windows Ten
virtual machine. Gives a sweet menu of about 10 items.
(For those that don't like me calling it Nein,
you should see my wallpaper, you would go into
spasms.)

I am beside myself as to why M$ would turn something
off that is so helpful by default.

The prevailing wisdom is that it cuts two seconds
off the boot. WHO CARE ?!?! Window takes forever
to boot anyway and everyone is use to it!

I have given up trying to understand how M$ thinks.

This might still work:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tut...-in-windows-8/

Alternatively, if it fails to boot like 3 times, it is supposed to show
you the boot options on the next boot...

Regards,

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oO-( )-Oo I am Ed McMahon of Borg: You may already be assimilated.

On 02/26/2018 09:08 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2018-02-26 01:27, T wrote:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\SafeBoot\Option]
"OptionValue"=dword:00000001

Wow, I was unable to find DaRT 10 anywhere (Thank you MS for making this
essential tool a part of the $$$ MDOP package).

Nice to know there is a registry editor in KRD.

Regards,


And you can lift it off the KRD -- it is a single file -- and
it works in Fedora 27.

I think Paul may have been the one that helped me figure out
how to do that. There was some helper file missing in prior
version of Fedora that I needed to that is included by default
now. And Paul was the one who told me what it was. I may
have the wrong guy.

I have made up myself a special Fedora boot USB with all
kids of cool tools for rescuing Windows.

KRD is so, so, so, so FREAKING SSSSLLLLLOOOOOWWWW that it
is unusable.

Bit defender has one that is plenty fast. I susessfully
cut it to a flash drive with Rufus. Stickifier that
comes from the same ftp site does not work for me with
qemu-kvm.

http://download.bitdefender.com/rescue_cd/

I have asked Kaspersky to release their registry editor
by itself, but they ignored me. They also told me
they did not care if I lifted it to another media.

"B00ze" wrote in message
news

This might still work:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tut...-in-windows-8/


Thank you. That's very handy.

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Regards
wasbit

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:28:40 -0800, T
wrote:

On 02/24/2018 07:16 PM, T wrote:
On 02/24/2018 06:59 PM, Ben Myers wrote:
On 2/24/2018 8:48 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
Google is no help here.
How to get into safe mode with regular mode doesn't
work.* F8 no longer works.
Many thanks,
-T

Start the computer, wait ten or fifteen seconds, then press and hold
the power button until the computer shuts down.* Do this three times
and you should be able to get into the Recovery Environment.

Ben

Hi Ben,

I have done this by accident before, but I did not realize it
could be done on purpose.* Thank you!

-T

The one time I did this, I had a customer with a crashed upgrade
that could not afford 10 minutes of my time, so I said to
myself, "let **** Windows off" and kept shutting it off until
I got the recovery screen. Then I set it to repair and
left her watching it. It took all day, but it worked.

I did not realize this was an actual feature. It was
more fun when I though I was ****ing Windows off.

:-)

I'm sure it was.

Does this work if there is no recovery partition, or if windows 10 is an
upgrade from win7?

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:28:40 -0800, T
wrote:

On 02/24/2018 07:16 PM, T wrote:
On 02/24/2018 06:59 PM, Ben Myers wrote:
On 2/24/2018 8:48 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,
Google is no help here.
How to get into safe mode with regular mode doesn't
work. F8 no longer works.
Many thanks,
-T
Start the computer, wait ten or fifteen seconds, then press and hold
the power button until the computer shuts down. Do this three times
and you should be able to get into the Recovery Environment.

Ben
Hi Ben,

I have done this by accident before, but I did not realize it
could be done on purpose. Thank you!

-T
The one time I did this, I had a customer with a crashed upgrade
that could not afford 10 minutes of my time, so I said to
myself, "let **** Windows off" and kept shutting it off until
I got the recovery screen. Then I set it to repair and
left her watching it. It took all day, but it worked.

I did not realize this was an actual feature. It was
more fun when I though I was ****ing Windows off.

:-)

I'm sure it was.

Does this work if there is no recovery partition, or if windows 10 is an
upgrade from win7?

An "Upgrade" keeps a C:\Windows.old , which is the emergency restore
location the upgrade uses when it hits an error. So rather than using
a System Restore point, it keeps a folder with all the previous
goodies in it.

It doesn't return the system state exactly to the way it was
before the Upgrade began. The Microsoft method is not perfect, and
the owner of the machine will need keen eyesight to detect
the subtle changes the reversion does. Maybe a program is
missing, maybe a setting has changed.

This is why we recommend real, honest to God backups, before
using any sort of "Upgrade", because later you can say
"Yes, it's back exactly as it was before". Rather than waiting
all day, I use a restore to put it back in pre-Upgrade state.

My Win10RLS install was backed up, before the 1803 thing
got done. I kept the network cable undone, to ensure there
were no shenanigans before I "assisted" the whole process.

Paul