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  #1  
Old February 25th 18, 09:50 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default file association not sticking?

I go to a folder with .webm and .mp4 files in it. The .webm ones have a
traffic cone (VLC), the .mp4 ones a waveform (WinAmp). I want them all
to open in VLC, so I right-click on one of the .mp4 ones, select "Open
with", ignore the VLC option and select "Choose default program", and
select VLC there.

The file opens in VLC, and when I subsequently look at the folder, all
are traffic cones and open in VLC.

But at _some_ time subsequently, the .mp4 files are back with WinAmp. I
don't _think_ I've got WinAmp's "protect my associations" turned on
(even if I have, why does it allow the change temporarily?).
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  #2  
Old February 25th 18, 11:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default file association not sticking?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I go to a folder with .webm and .mp4 files in it. The .webm ones have a
traffic cone (VLC), the .mp4 ones a waveform (WinAmp). I want them all
to open in VLC, so I right-click on one of the .mp4 ones, select "Open
with", ignore the VLC option and select "Choose default program", and
select VLC there.

The file opens in VLC, and when I subsequently look at the folder, all
are traffic cones and open in VLC.

But at _some_ time subsequently, the .mp4 files are back with WinAmp. I
don't _think_ I've got WinAmp's "protect my associations" turned on
(even if I have, why does it allow the change temporarily?).


Some apps are very rude. When you load them, they re-associate
filetypes to themselves. It's been awhile since I hit a program like
that but it's been way too long to remember what was the program (I
vaguely recall it was RealPlayer). All its users complained about it
*stealing* the file associations. Eventually the program stopped
stealing the file association just because the user loaded it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wina...%20association

That shows users complaining about WinAmp rudely and covertly stealing
file associations to assign to itself. While some posts are old (circa
2000), WinAmp is also old (last updated back in 2013). Perhaps there is
a user configurable setting regarding WinAmp's behavior to *not* have it
steal file associations to itself. That is, maybe there is an option to
associate certain filetypes to itself when loaded but you can disable
that "feature".
  #3  
Old February 25th 18, 03:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default file association not sticking?

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:50:18 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I go to a folder with .webm and .mp4 files in it. The .webm ones have a
traffic cone (VLC), the .mp4 ones a waveform (WinAmp). I want them all
to open in VLC, so I right-click on one of the .mp4 ones, select "Open
with", ignore the VLC option and select "Choose default program", and
select VLC there.

The file opens in VLC, and when I subsequently look at the folder, all
are traffic cones and open in VLC.

But at _some_ time subsequently, the .mp4 files are back with WinAmp. I
don't _think_ I've got WinAmp's "protect my associations" turned on
(even if I have, why does it allow the change temporarily?).


WinAmp has a setting that restore its file associations when the application
is run. So, disable that setting, and remove the WinAmp's unwanted file
associations.
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Old February 25th 18, 11:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default file association not sticking?

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I go to a folder with .webm and .mp4 files in it. The .webm ones have a
traffic cone (VLC), the .mp4 ones a waveform (WinAmp). I want them all
to open in VLC, so I right-click on one of the .mp4 ones, select "Open
with", ignore the VLC option and select "Choose default program", and
select VLC there.

The file opens in VLC, and when I subsequently look at the folder, all
are traffic cones and open in VLC.

But at _some_ time subsequently, the .mp4 files are back with WinAmp. I


***
don't _think_ I've got WinAmp's "protect my associations" turned on

***

(even if I have, why does it allow the change temporarily?).


Some apps are very rude. When you load them, they re-associate
filetypes to themselves. It's been awhile since I hit a program like
that but it's been way too long to remember what was the program (I
vaguely recall it was RealPlayer). All its users complained about it
*stealing* the file associations. Eventually the program stopped
stealing the file association just because the user loaded it.


RealPlayer _was_ a terror at doing it, at one time.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wina...%20association

That shows users complaining about WinAmp rudely and covertly stealing
file associations to assign to itself. While some posts are old (circa
2000), WinAmp is also old (last updated back in 2013). Perhaps there is
a user configurable setting regarding WinAmp's behavior to *not* have it
steal file associations to itself. That is, maybe there is an option to
associate certain filetypes to itself when loaded but you can disable
that "feature".

See above: I didn't think I had it on. I've just checked, and in Options
| Preferences (I have version 5.61), there's a box labelled "Enable
Winamp agent", below which is the explanation "Winamp agent can maintain
your Winamp file associations and show an icon in the system tray.

Disabling this feature may result in other applications launching when
you open media files from Windows Explorer."

I do _not_ have that box ticked.
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Old February 26th 18, 07:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default file association not sticking?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I go to a folder with .webm and .mp4 files in it. The .webm ones have a
traffic cone (VLC), the .mp4 ones a waveform (WinAmp). I want them all
to open in VLC, so I right-click on one of the .mp4 ones, select "Open
with", ignore the VLC option and select "Choose default program", and
select VLC there.

The file opens in VLC, and when I subsequently look at the folder, all
are traffic cones and open in VLC.

But at _some_ time subsequently, the .mp4 files are back with WinAmp. I


***
don't _think_ I've got WinAmp's "protect my associations" turned on

***

(even if I have, why does it allow the change temporarily?).


Some apps are very rude. When you load them, they re-associate
filetypes to themselves. It's been awhile since I hit a program like
that but it's been way too long to remember what was the program (I
vaguely recall it was RealPlayer). All its users complained about it
*stealing* the file associations. Eventually the program stopped
stealing the file association just because the user loaded it.


RealPlayer _was_ a terror at doing it, at one time.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wina...%20association

That shows users complaining about WinAmp rudely and covertly stealing
file associations to assign to itself. While some posts are old (circa
2000), WinAmp is also old (last updated back in 2013). Perhaps there is
a user configurable setting regarding WinAmp's behavior to *not* have it
steal file associations to itself. That is, maybe there is an option to
associate certain filetypes to itself when loaded but you can disable
that "feature".

See above: I didn't think I had it on. I've just checked, and in Options
| Preferences (I have version 5.61), there's a box labelled "Enable
Winamp agent", below which is the explanation "Winamp agent can maintain
your Winamp file associations and show an icon in the system tray.

Disabling this feature may result in other applications launching when
you open media files from Windows Explorer."

I do _not_ have that box ticked.


Set the filetype associations how you want. Load WinAmp. If the
filetype associations change then you know the culprit that changed them
(despite how the program is configured).

A program can get confused regarding its settings. Rather than always
read them from the registry (which is the memory copy, not the disk copy
that read into memory on Windows startup), they store them in their own
memory space or in their own config file. Toggle the setting: set it to
other than what it is now, exit and reload the program, and toggle it
back to the original setting, and exit and reload the program. When you
exit the program, make sure ALL of its processes get unloaded so they
aren't hanging onto old settings. Sounds like "agent" is a separate
process from the main GUI that you use for the program. You don't need
and don't want some superfluous process consuming memory and CPU cycles
to steal filetype associations that you don't want to get changed. If
the tray program, agent, provides both filetype stealing and other
functions, you'll lose the other functions to keep their agent process
from stealing filetype associations.
  #6  
Old February 26th 18, 10:43 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default file association not sticking?

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
See above: I didn't think I had it on. I've just checked, and in Options
| Preferences (I have version 5.61), there's a box labelled "Enable
Winamp agent", below which is the explanation "Winamp agent can maintain
your Winamp file associations and show an icon in the system tray.

Disabling this feature may result in other applications launching when
you open media files from Windows Explorer."

I do _not_ have that box ticked.


Set the filetype associations how you want. Load WinAmp. If the
filetype associations change then you know the culprit that changed them
(despite how the program is configured).


I should have thought of trying that. You are correct, it is WinAmp that
is doing it, despite that setting.

A program can get confused regarding its settings. Rather than always
read them from the registry (which is the memory copy, not the disk copy
that read into memory on Windows startup), they store them in their own
memory space or in their own config file. Toggle the setting: set it to
other than what it is now, exit and reload the program, and toggle it
back to the original setting, and exit and reload the program. When you
exit the program, make sure ALL of its processes get unloaded so they
aren't hanging onto old settings. Sounds like "agent" is a separate
process from the main GUI that you use for the program. You don't need
and don't want some superfluous process consuming memory and CPU cycles
to steal filetype associations that you don't want to get changed. If
the tray program, agent, provides both filetype stealing and other
functions, you'll lose the other functions to keep their agent process
from stealing filetype associations.


I was about to work through all that, when I noticed a much simpler
answer: as well as the "agent" tickbox, there's also a "Restore file
associations at WinAmp start-up" one! (It's rather a cluttered page, or
I hope I'd have noticed it sooner.) Unticking that, and all is well!
(And also, UAC no longer comes up when I start WinAmp, which makes
sense.)
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