Problems with account

Hi all,

An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP
Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b.
When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account,
which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch
for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users
directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user
account with Gebruiker.
Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd
account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere
to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users
directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the
name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories.
I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first name.
Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user
accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and in
this xxx account he can log in.
I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to
autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only the
xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and happily he
can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account.
But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how can
I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account?

Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help.

Fokke

On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote:
Hi all,

An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP
Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b.
When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account,
which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (=
Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users
directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user
account with Gebruiker.
Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd
account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere
to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users
directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the
name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories.
I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first
name.
Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user
accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and
in this xxx account he can log in.
I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to
autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only
the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and
happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account.
But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how
can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account?

Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help.

Fokke


Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows
doesn't work like that.

After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post back
if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the
problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely solves
anything.

/--- This email has been checked for viruses by
Windows Defender software.
//https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/
comprehensive-security/

Oh dear, seems you forgot to append your usual html nonsense, not losing
it are you (assuming you ever had it). Still, you're as obnoxious as ever.

On 04/07/2018 13:47, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote:
Hi all,

An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP
Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b.
When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account,
which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (=
Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users
directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user
account with Gebruiker.
Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd
account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere
to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users
directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the
name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories.
I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first
name.
Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user
accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and
in this xxx account he can log in.
I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to
autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only
the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and
happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account.
But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how
can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account?

Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help.

Fokke


Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows
doesn't work like that.

After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post back
if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the
problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely solves
anything.


cut

Everything has been renamed and not by me.
The admin account has his surname, his user account had his first name.

And if you can't do better than producing "We don't need to know how
stupid you are" you better shut up.

Fokke

"Fokke Nauta" wrote


| When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account,
| which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch
| for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users
| directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user
| account with Gebruiker.

I'm not sure, but it sounds like you're talking about
Admin and Default. I don't generally use "users" so
I'm not sure of possible complications, but in case
it helps, you can save this to a text file with the
extension .vbs and run it to see the path of the
current user's docs folder. That will at least tell you
what Windows thinks he's logged in as.

Set SH = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
s3 = SH.Specialfolders("MyDocuments")
MsgBox s3
Set sh = Nothing

Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 04/07/2018 13:47, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote:
Hi all,

An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP
Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b.
When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account,
which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (=
Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users
directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user
account with Gebruiker.
Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd
account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is nowhere
to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users
directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with the
name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories.
I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first
name.
Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user
accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and
in this xxx account he can log in.
I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to
autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only
the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and
happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account.
But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how
can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account?

Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help.

Fokke


Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows
doesn't work like that.

After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post back
if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the
problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely solves
anything.


cut

Everything has been renamed and not by me.
The admin account has his surname, his user account had his first name.

And if you can't do better than producing "We don't need to know how
stupid you are" you better shut up.

Fokke

Were you replying to GG ?

Your post is tacked onto Daves.

With regard to account discussions,
there is the "real" administrator account,
there is the "first" user account created when you
are opening a system OOBE (Out Of Box Experience),
and then there can be other accounts created later.

The "real" administrator is account 500.

The "first" account might be account 1000, where
the user has their name, plus that user belongs
to the "administrator group". That's how the user
can do administrator things (via UAC prompts), without
being the actual administrator.

If you wanted to create a "second" account, that would
be account 1001 and so on. Some people setting up
computers, might create a limited account so that
user "can't get into trouble". It's like the first
account, only it's not a member of the Administrator
Group.

account 500 "administrator" (when enabled, has a home directory)

account 1000 "Fokke" [belongs Admin group] (can install things)

account 1001 "Airhead" [Fokke makes it a non-Admin-group account]
[Limited, to keep Airhead out of trouble]

There aren't a lot of really solid technical reasons,
to "enable" the true administrator account 500 and
give it a home directory and so on. Account 1000 in
the example table above, has all of the "power" of
Administrator.

Windows generally tries to keep at least one
account with administrator capability and has
sloppy physical security on purpose to make
it easier for support people of one sort or
another, to regain administrator-level control.

This is yet another reason why account 1000 created
during the OS install, belongs to the administrator group.

You can review your accounts, using some of the
techniques here.

https://www.howtogeek.com/286707/how...heir-settings/

What I have trouble with, is the logic Microsoft
uses when dealing with local accounts versus MSA
accounts. There are several possibilities.

During install, installer uses a local account setup.
The results are predictable.

During install, installer uses MSA immediately for first account.
The "username" is set to the first_word of the MSA account string.
So if you set up a fake MSA with ", your
home directory will be dorkus forever.

After install, user decides later to change to MSA. Home
directory ends up with local_name, but account name is
set to first_word of MSA account string.
This is very confusing, especially for repair people.

I think the third option may have happened to your
80 year old user. They got tricked into adding an MSA
to the local account.

Paul

On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote:
Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 04/07/2018 13:47, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 03/07/2018 20:08, Fokke Nauta wrote:
Hi all,

An old friend of mine (80+) has a weird problem with his laptop. HP
Elitebook, Windows 10 Pro 64b.
When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account,
which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (=
Dutch for User). I can see both account directories appear in the
Users
directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user
account with Gebruiker.
Strange enough, when this laptop is being powered on, it shows a 3rd
account with his first name; let's call it xxx. This account is
nowhere
to be seen in the users accounts. It has no directory in the Users
directories either. But he needs to log into his local account with
the
name Gebruiker, which has a directory in the Users directories.
I therefor renamed his local account Gebruiker into xxx, his first
name.
Now after being powered up there is the admin account and two user
accounts, both with the same name xxx. One of them has a picture, and
in this xxx account he can log in.
I renamed this account to xxx-2, and installed Tweak-10, to enable to
autologin into this account. Strange enough, Tweak-10 remembers only
the xxx account, and tries to log into this one. Won't work, and
happily he can choose to login into the other xxx-2 account.
But what is this xxx account, and how can I get rid of this? And how
can I force Tweak-10 to autologin into his xxx-2 account?

Sorry - a long story. But thanks in advance for your help.

Fokke


Put everything back as it was and DON'T rename anything. Windows
doesn't work like that.

After putting everything as it was, reboot the system and then post
back
if there are still any problems. When you post back, just state the
problem. We don't need to know how stupid you are as that rarely
solves
anything.


cut

Everything has been renamed and not by me.
The admin account has his surname, his user account had his first name.

And if you can't do better than producing "We don't need to know how
stupid you are" you better shut up.

Fokke

Were you replying to GG ?

No, I was replying to Dave. He replied to my post. Who is GG?

Your post is tacked onto Daves.

Yes, he replied to me.

With regard to account discussions,
there is the "real" administrator account,
there is the "first" user account created when you
are opening a system OOBE (Out Of Box Experience),
and then there can be other accounts created later.

The "real" administrator is account 500.

The "first" account might be account 1000, where
the user has their name, plus that user belongs
to the "administrator group". That's how the user
can do administrator things (via UAC prompts), without
being the actual administrator.

If you wanted to create a "second" account, that would
be account 1001 and so on. Some people setting up
computers, might create a limited account so that
user "can't get into trouble". It's like the first
account, only it's not a member of the Administrator
Group.

account 500 "administrator" (when enabled, has a home directory)

account 1000 "Fokke" [belongs Admin group] (can install things)

account 1001 "Airhead" [Fokke makes it a non-Admin-group account]
[Limited, to keep Airhead out of trouble]

There aren't a lot of really solid technical reasons,
to "enable" the true administrator account 500 and
give it a home directory and so on. Account 1000 in
the example table above, has all of the "power" of
Administrator.

This is very interesting stuff. I'll have a look into it. But where can
I find these numbers?

Windows generally tries to keep at least one
account with administrator capability and has
sloppy physical security on purpose to make
it easier for support people of one sort or
another, to regain administrator-level control.

This is yet another reason why account 1000 created
during the OS install, belongs to the administrator group.

You can review your accounts, using some of the
techniques here.

https://www.howtogeek.com/286707/how...heir-settings/

Thanks! I will certainly do this.

What I have trouble with, is the logic Microsoft
uses when dealing with local accounts versus MSA
accounts. There are several possibilities.

During install, installer uses a local account setup.
The results are predictable.

During install, installer uses MSA immediately for first account.
The "username" is set to the first_word of the MSA account string.
So if you set up a fake MSA with ", your
home directory will be dorkus forever.

After install, user decides later to change to MSA. Home
directory ends up with local_name, but account name is
set to first_word of MSA account string.
This is very confusing, especially for repair people.

I think the third option may have happened to your
80 year old user. They got tricked into adding an MSA
to the local account.

Paul

I just asked him and indeed he has been using a Microsoft account.

The more I think about it, the more I feel like re-installing W10 from
fresh. But you helped me on my way. See what I can do.

Thanks!

Fokke

On 04/07/2018 20:14, Mayayana wrote:
"Fokke Nauta" wrote


| When I look into the users accounts, there are two: The admin account,
| which I enabeled today, and an account with the name Gebruiker (= Dutch
| for User). I can see both account directories appear in the Users
| directory in C:, the admin account with his surname, and his user
| account with Gebruiker.

I'm not sure, but it sounds like you're talking about
Admin and Default. I don't generally use "users" so
I'm not sure of possible complications, but in case
it helps, you can save this to a text file with the
extension .vbs and run it to see the path of the
current user's docs folder. That will at least tell you
what Windows thinks he's logged in as.

Set SH = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
s3 = SH.Specialfolders("MyDocuments")
MsgBox s3
Set sh = Nothing



Thanks. I will try this.

Fokke

On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote:

cut

Were you replying to GG ?

Paul, you are right.
In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100,
😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:"

But the sender is Dave. What's going on here?
Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you.
And now I know what you mean with GG.


Your post is tacked onto Daves.

Yes, the "From" is Dave. Time 13.47.
Could this be the consequences of a filter deleting GG?
That I respond to Dave, but somehow see the post of GG?

Fokke

cut

On 04/07/2018 20:34, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote:

cut

Were you replying to GG ?

Paul, you are right.
In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31
+0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:"

But the sender is Dave. What's going on here?
Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you.
And now I know what you mean with GG.


Your post is tacked onto Daves.

Yes, the "From" is Dave. Time 13.47.
Could this be the consequences of a filter deleting GG?
That I respond to Dave, but somehow see the post of GG?

Fokke

cut



GG and Dave is the same person. The name keeps changing when time
changes. For some reasons he attacks anybody for asking any questions
about Windows, Linux or Apple Mac. Nobody knows what is he here for.
Trolling comes to mind.

"Fokke Nauta" wrote

| Paul, you are right.
| In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100,
| ?? Good Guy ?? wrote:"
|
| But the sender is Dave. What's going on here?
| Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you.
| And now I know what you mean with GG.
|

Maybe you block Good Guy? Many of us do.
I also saw a post from Dave, but with GG at
the top, because I filter out GG.
Goog Guy is a mean-spirited, extreme
Microsoft fan who occasionally says something
coherent but mostly just attacks people and,
oddly, makes a big deal about using HTML
format. It's a moral issue for him.

On 04/07/2018 22:30, Peter wrote:
On 04/07/2018 20:34, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 04/07/2018 20:29, Paul wrote:

cut

Were you replying to GG ?

Paul, you are right.
In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31
+0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:"

But the sender is Dave. What's going on here?
Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you.
And now I know what you mean with GG.


Your post is tacked onto Daves.

Yes, the "From" is Dave. Time 13.47.
Could this be the consequences of a filter deleting GG?
That I respond to Dave, but somehow see the post of GG?

Fokke

cut



GG and Dave is the same person. The name keeps changing when time
changes. For some reasons he attacks anybody for asking any questions
about Windows, Linux or Apple Mac. Nobody knows what is he here for.
Trolling comes to mind.

Thanks!
It's clear to me now.

Fokke

On 04/07/2018 23:52, Mayayana wrote:
"Fokke Nauta" wrote

| Paul, you are right.
| In the top of Dave's answer I read "On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 00:44:31 +0100,
| ?? Good Guy ?? wrote:"
|
| But the sender is Dave. What's going on here?
| Sorry Dave, it wasn't mentioned to you.
| And now I know what you mean with GG.
|

Maybe you block Good Guy?

Yes, I do.

Many of us do.
I also saw a post from Dave, but with GG at
the top, because I filter out GG.

Yes, for me the same. I was quite surprised.

Goog Guy is a mean-spirited, extreme
Microsoft fan who occasionally says something
coherent but mostly just attacks people and,
oddly, makes a big deal about using HTML
format. It's a moral issue for him.


He's a bit mad, I guess ...

Fokke