What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 23:33:05 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On 7 Jul 2018 22:13:44 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

Ah, I see: you want everything

Oh my God.

The Windows 10 trolls have arrived.

That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP Gilliver, and
especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who infests this newsgroup.

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
They can have the thread.

The added value of the two commands is our contribution.

Start Run phone susan
Start Run vipw

Neither of those commands does anything useful on my PCs, but you can
save a click by pinning Command Prompt to your taskbar. I pin an Admin
Command Prompt, since that's what I usually want to use. Once you do
that, it's one click to launch the Command Prompt versus two clicks to
hit Start and then Run. Efficiency, you know.

The trolls can have it from here.

Those bastages.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 23:33:05 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On 7 Jul 2018 22:13:44 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

Ah, I see: you want everything
Oh my God.

The Windows 10 trolls have arrived.

That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP Gilliver, and
especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who infests this newsgroup.

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
They can have the thread.

The added value of the two commands is our contribution.

Start Run phone susan
Start Run vipw

Neither of those commands does anything useful on my PCs, but you can
save a click by pinning Command Prompt to your taskbar. I pin an Admin
Command Prompt, since that's what I usually want to use. Once you do
that, it's one click to launch the Command Prompt versus two clicks to
hit Start and then Run. Efficiency, you know.

A "real" computerist, would have Cortana wired
to "phone susan". And if TAPI still worked, you
could do that from your desktop, without even reaching
for anything. (Was that a "voice modem" ? Or a function
of a WinModem ? Don't remember now.)

I remember years ago, some people at work having TAPI
like functions wired up that way. And they were doing
hands-free and the whole bit. Well before it was a
mainstream thing.

Paul

On 07 Jul 2018, Arlen Holder wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP
Gilliver, and especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who
infests this newsgroup.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I never left, except for some
time off for Independence Day parties, so I really can't arrive to
"infest". Indeed, your silly self-stroking nonsense is more
infestive than pretty much anything I see here that I haven't
already kill-filed.

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here. They can
have the thread.

Don't go away mad. Just go away.

On 8 Jul 2018 00:20:44 GMT, Paul wrote:

A "real" computerist, would have Cortana wired
to "phone susan". And if TAPI still worked, you
could do that from your desktop, without even reaching
for anything. (Was that a "voice modem" ? Or a function
of a WinModem ? Don't remember now.)

I remember years ago, some people at work having TAPI
like functions wired up that way. And they were doing
hands-free and the whole bit. Well before it was a
mainstream thing.

Paul,

I'm just an average user who simply asks for help from real computerists!
http://tinyurl.com/alt-msdos-batch

Hence, maybe a "real" computerist can figure out how to get an icon in this
context menu, and to get the resulting window to show up red!
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_cmdwindow01.jpg

Also, do you think a real computerist would be able to get that
"Open command prompt here (admin)"
context menu to work anywhere ... not just when folders are selected!

I'm not a real computerist - hence that's why I ask for help over he
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.msdos.batch/PFke17AzS78/NSLlZJebCwAJ

On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 03:41:51 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

Also, do you think a real computerist would be able to get that
"Open command prompt here (admin)"
context menu to work anywhere ... not just when folders are selected!

When you haven't selected a folder, where is "here"?

On 8 Jul 2018 04:48:00 GMT, Char Jackson wrote:

When you haven't selected a folder, where is "here"?

Here is anywhere you want it to be - not just on a folder name.
It works fine, for example, for the non-admin context command!
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_cmdwindow01.jpg

That is, the registry file below just fine to create an "open command
window here" context menu item where here is anywhere you can click your
mouse (i.e., not just "on" a folder name - but inside a folder works fine
too, as does at anywhere at or below the "C:" level).

I just don't know how to get it to open up an admin command window anywhere
you point (not just on top of folders).

Do you?

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink
; Created on: December 10th 2016
; Tutorial: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html


[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\cmd2]
,-8506"
"Extended"=-
"Icon"="imageres.dll,-5323"
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\cmd2\command]
@="cmd.exe /s /k pushd \"%V\""


[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Background\shell\cmd2]
,-8506"
"Extended"=-
"Icon"="imageres.dll,-5323"
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Background\shell\cmd2\ command]
@="cmd.exe /s /k pushd \"%V\""


[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Drive\shell\cmd2]
,-8506"
"Extended"=-
"Icon"="imageres.dll,-5323"
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Drive\shell\cmd2\command]
@="cmd.exe /s /k pushd \"%V\""


[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\LibraryFolder\Background\shell\c md2]
,-8506"
"Extended"=-
"Icon"="imageres.dll,-5323"
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\LibraryFolder\Background\shell\c md2\command]
@="cmd.exe /s /k pushd \"%V\""

Arlen Holder wrote:
On 8 Jul 2018 04:48:00 GMT, Char Jackson wrote:

When you haven't selected a folder, where is "here"?

Here is anywhere you want it to be - not just on a folder name.
It works fine, for example, for the non-admin context command!
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_cmdwindow01.jpg

That is, the registry file below just fine to create an "open command
window here" context menu item where here is anywhere you can click your
mouse (i.e., not just "on" a folder name - but inside a folder works fine
too, as does at anywhere at or below the "C:" level).

I just don't know how to get it to open up an admin command window anywhere
you point (not just on top of folders).

Do you?

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; Created by: Shawn Brink

The normal shellex semantics is

operand operator

You right-click the operand, and from the Shell
Extension menu, select an operator. Some operators
are context sensitive. For example, if the operand
has a file extension of .reg, the operator highlighted
in the Shellex is "Merge".

*******

Whereas you want to reverse it

operator operand

You want to start some process running (operator),
then using that program, click the mouse to identify
the operand. This can be done by writing a program.
For example, various kinds of "screenshot" code, highlight
the border of objects as the mouse floats over them.
The user clicks when inside the borders of an object,
to take a picture of it.

That's the kind of program you write, as a cmd.exe
launcher. The program must be sufficiently sophisticated,
to recognize the set of "objects" you have in mind.
Finding window borders is relatively easy...
The rest, not so much.

Paul

Nil,

It's the old "Why Don't You -- Yes But..." game in
Transactional Analysis.
....
The goal is not to actually solve any problem.

Possibly, but I do not really want to make such an assumption.

You see, it can be as easily be either what many projects (commercial or
not) succumb to - because of the "I'm making stuff up as I go" client -
and/or, likely in Arlens case, the "on a need to know basis" one, (he only
tells you when he thinks you should know) thinking that that will protect
his idea against being stolen.

That either of those above waste massive ammounts of effort (at each change)
on the side of the ones who try to understand (and create) what the
end-result should be does not even cross their minds ... Logically, as its
not *their* effort that gets wasted. :-(

I also think that Arlen is most likely (still) a novice, with aspirations
*way* outof his league. But than again, we all went thru that phase (for
shorter or longer times). :-(

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Arlen,

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
They can have the thread.

The added value of the two commands is our contribution.

Start Run phone susan
Start Run vipw

I'm sorry, AFAICS neither is finished in any way (you're still in the "how
do I do it?" phase), nor have you posted any kind of end result.

And you really have to tell me, who is that "we" and "our" you are using ?
I don't think you are royalty, so that leaves it to be indicating a group.
But when you post stuff I never see you include the names of the other
group-members ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I hope you are aware that that "App Paths" registry trick only seems to work
for the start - run entry box (it doesn't on the commandline). In short,
its usability seems to be rather limited. :-(

R.Wieser wrote:
Nil,

It's the old "Why Don't You -- Yes But..." game in
Transactional Analysis.
...
The goal is not to actually solve any problem.

Possibly, but I do not really want to make such an assumption.

Fair enough. You'll learn in time.

You see, it can be as easily be either what many projects (commercial or
not) succumb to - because of the "I'm making stuff up as I go" client -
and/or, likely in Arlens case, the "on a need to know basis" one, (he only
tells you when he thinks you should know) thinking that that will protect
his idea against being stolen.

It's not either of these. Nil's description is spot on. His comment is
based on - way too much - experience with 'Arlen'.

It's of course fine that you want to make your own decision based on
your own experience, but be careful not to - accidentily - alienate the
good guys, by 'protecting' the bad guy and doubting the good guys.

That either of those above waste massive ammounts of effort (at each change)
on the side of the ones who try to understand (and create) what the
end-result should be does not even cross their minds ... Logically, as its
not *their* effort that gets wasted. :-(

I also think that Arlen is most likely (still) a novice, with aspirations
*way* outof his league. But than again, we all went thru that phase (for
shorter or longer times). :-(

Well, 'Arlen' has already taken many years without *any* sign of
improvement.

As to his MO: He even lies about knowledge which we know he *does*
have, just to prolong his threads, because - as Nil said, "The goal is
not to actually solve any problem.". (FYI: Just recently I threw him
some bait - one of his own solutions - and he bit, like I knew he would:
He effectively ignored it and continued making his 'problem' worse,
instead of better.)

Frank,

Fair enough. You'll learn in time.

Likely. Than again, I have a short memory for such things (always assuming
that when times change so will people) and will probably stumble into the
same situation a year from now (already got some Deja Vu feelings). Possibly
even with the same person ... :-( :-)

It's not either of these. Nil's description is spot on. His comment
is based on - way too much - experience with 'Arlen'.

Hmmm... How do you guys keep track of him ? He nym-shifts (among others)
like there is no tomorrow ...

but be careful not to - accidentily - alienate the good guys,
by 'protecting' the bad guy and doubting the good guys.

Yeah, that might be a problem. Although I have no wish to protect a bad
guy, I also do not want to see an oblivious novice villified. Hence my
(carefull?) probing and prodding in his direction. As someone told me
once, "it takes just one pebble to create an avalanche".

Well, 'Arlen' has already taken many years without *any* sign
of improvement.

And all that time he keeps running into people who, eventually, call him
out, and he doesn't learn nothing from it ? Its possible I suppose, but
I've got a hard time wrapping my head around it.

But as you say, time will tell/teach me. And don't worry, although I'm
rather willing to *help* someone to grow in what he wants to do, I have a
*very* low wish to be used as a source of (nearly) full-blown solutions (I
learned that lesson "door schade en schande" (dutch) quite a number of years
ago).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

R.Wieser wrote:
[...]

[About 'Arlen':]

Hmmm... How do you guys keep track of him ? He nym-shifts (among others)
like there is no tomorrow ...

As he says himself, his style and MO is rather easy to recognize.

But to be fair, of late he doesn't nymshift that often. AFAIK/AFAIR,
he has even not nymshifted for several months (with one exception in an
unrelated group).

Take care.

[...]

On 8 Jul 2018 07:02:43 GMT, Paul wrote:

That's the kind of program you write, as a cmd.exe
launcher. The program must be sufficiently sophisticated,
to recognize the set of "objects" you have in mind.
Finding window borders is relatively easy...
The rest, not so much.

Hi Paul,

I admit I don't have the required computerist skills to understand how to
change the INF file below so that the "Open command window here (admin)"
works exactly like the "Open command window here" REG file context menu
entry does.

For example, after loading both the "user cmd" REG file and after loading
the "admin cmd" INF file, neither the "user cmd" or "admin cmd" context
menu entry shows up when I right click in white space on "My PC".
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_showuphere01.jpg

But when I right click on "C:", the "user cmd" entry shows up,
while the "admin cmd" entry remains dormant:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_showuphere02.jpg

Similarly, when I right click in white space inside any one folder,
the "user cmd" shows up but the "admin command" remains hidden:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_showuphere03.jpg

Yet, when I right click on a folder, both finally show up:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_showuphere04.jpg

And, neither shows up when I right click on a file:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_showuphere05.jpg

I already posted the successful REG file, where below is that "Open command
window here (admin)" INF file.

I suspect there are few to no real computerists on this ng who have the
skills (or wish to use them) to prove the entire group's tribal archives
with a modification of that INF file which enables the "open command window
here (admin)" INF to work on any object like the "open command window here"
REG file already does.

Certainly I don't have those computerist skills (maybe Char Jackson has the
skills, or perhaps even Nil, or Diesel, or J.P. Gilliver, or Frank
Slootweg, or Wolf K.).

*** begin CmdHereAsAdmin.inf ***
[version]
signature="$CHICAGO$"

[CmdHereAsAdminInstall]
CopyFiles = CmdHereAsAdmin.Files.Inf
AddReg = CmdHereAsAdmin.AddReg

[DefaultInstall]
CopyFiles = CmdHereAsAdmin.Files.Inf
AddReg = CmdHereAsAdmin.AddReg

[DefaultUnInstall]
DelFiles = CmdHereAsAdmin.Files.Inf
DelReg = CmdHereAsAdmin.DelReg

[SourceDisksNames]
55="Open command window here (admin)","",1

[SourceDisksFiles]
CmdHereAsAdmin.INF=55

[DestinationDirs]
CmdHereAsAdmin.Files.Inf = 17

[CmdHereAsAdmin.Files.Inf]
CmdHereAsAdmin.INF

[CmdHereAsAdmin.AddReg]
HKLM,%UDHERE%,DisplayName,,"%CmdHereAsAdminName%"
HKLM,%UDHERE%,UninstallString,,"rundll32.exe syssetup.dll,SetupInfObjectInstallAction DefaultUninstall 132 %17%\CmdHereAsAdmin.inf"
HKCR,Directory\Shell\runas,,,"%CmdHereAsAdminAccel %"
HKCR,Directory\Shell\runas\command,,,"%11%\cmd.exe /k cd /d ""%1"""
HKCR,Drive\Shell\runas,,,"%CmdHereAsAdminAccel%"
HKCR,Drive\Shell\runas\command,,,"%11%\cmd.exe /k cd /d ""%1"""

[CmdHereAsAdmin.DelReg]
HKLM,%UDHERE%
HKCR,Directory\Shell\runas
HKCR,Drive\Shell\runas

[Strings]
CmdHereAsAdminName="Open command window here as admin (Uninstall only)"
CmdHereAsAdminAccel="Open command window here (admin)"

UDHERE="Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ Uninstall\CmdHereAsAdmin"
*** end CmdHereAsAdmin.inf ***

Frank,

As he says himself, his style and MO is rather easy to recognize.

Sorry, but I'm simply not that good I'm afraid. Might be because I need a
bit more than "most likely", as I would not like it in the least if some
unsuspecting newbie gets caught by it.

But to be fair, of late he doesn't nymshift that often.

Hmmm. The first post of Arlen that I can see (in windowsxp) is of june 8.
Before that Ragunussen Ultred and (march 16, may 3), mike (april 29, may 29)
and Ultred Ragnussen (feb 14, march 8). (and that is as far as I can look
back). Either he took a month off here and there, or I missed a few.

The above seems to show he uses a montly cycle, although he also mentioned
he keeps his nym until a thread ends. Which ofcourse he just did himself
(making it exactly another month).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 08 Jul 2018, "R.Wieser" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Nil,

It's the old "Why Don't You -- Yes But..." game in
Transactional Analysis.
...
The goal is not to actually solve any problem.

Possibly, but I do not really want to make such an assumption.

It's my assumption, but it's certainly not the only explanation.

You see, it can be as easily be either what many projects
(commercial or not) succumb to - because of the "I'm making stuff
up as I go" client - and/or, likely in Arlens case, the "on a need
to know basis" one, (he only tells you when he thinks you should
know) thinking that that will protect his idea against being
stolen.

That either of those above waste massive ammounts of effort (at
each change) on the side of the ones who try to understand (and
create) what the end-result should be does not even cross their
minds ... Logically, as its not *their* effort that gets wasted.
:-(

I watched that happen where I worked in the '90s. They spent hundreds
of thousands of dollars on a software project that they never defined
well in the first place. Later on the goalposts kept moving and there
were countless delays and dead ends, and in the end we wound up with a
broken, useless piece of junk.

I also think that Arlen is most likely (still) a novice, with
aspirations *way* outof his league. But than again, we all went
thru that phase (for shorter or longer times). :-(

But not usually so publicly and with so much hubris.