Windows Live Mail and Gmail

Hello,

Can anyone here solve a a little problem for me? I'm using Windows Live
Mail 2012 relatively successfully with IMAP Gmail but I would like to
get the delete command in the software move messages to the "All Mail"
folder (which means they will still be archived on Gmail) rather than
the Bin folder.

It seems like the way to do this may be to go to account properties and
then go to the IMAP tab. This is what I then get:

http://postimg.org/image/6ymw35r43/

I would like to change "Deleted items path" to [Gmail]/All Mail but as
you can see the box is greyed out and remains so even if I uncheck any
of the boxes. Can anyone suggest what I should do here?

Thanks!

Steven wrote:

Can anyone here solve a a little problem for me? I'm using Windows Live
Mail 2012 relatively successfully with IMAP Gmail but I would like to
get the delete command in the software move messages to the "All Mail"
folder (which means they will still be archived on Gmail) rather than
the Bin folder.

It seems like the way to do this may be to go to account properties and
then go to the IMAP tab. This is what I then get:

http://postimg.org/image/6ymw35r43/

I would like to change "Deleted items path" to [Gmail]/All Mail but as
you can see the box is greyed out and remains so even if I uncheck any
of the boxes. Can anyone suggest what I should do here?

Thanks!

Google doesn't follow the IMAP standard. They follow it enough to get
most IMAP clients to work but, for example, they handle the "TOP n"
command (retrieve the headers plus the next n lines of the body, if n is
specified) as a RETR(ieve) command. Rather than let the client decide
how to manage retrieved e-mails, you have to configure server-side
settings in your Gmail account.

Any e-mail you see in any IMAP subscribed folder is already in Gmail's
All Mail folder. You don't have to move any e-mail to All Mail.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/82367?hl=en
"[Gmail]/All Mail contains all of your messages in Gmail, including your
sent and archived messages. Any messages that you see in your inbox will
also appear in the [Gmail]/All Mail folder."

https://support.google.com/mail/answ..._topic=3397500
"If you delete a message from your inbox or one of your custom folders
in your IMAP client, it will still appear in [Gmail]/All Mail."

Gmail does not have any folder. Gmail uses tags to categorize messages.
When Gmail talks to an IMAP client, it lies by associating tags with
folders. You should have [Gmail] specified as the root folder path in
the IMAP account defined in your IMAP client. Other IMAP providers make
their folders relative to the root so you don't have to specify it. Not
Gmail which requires you specify the root (of [Gmail]). You may get
some goofy results in folder naming on the client end with duplicate
folders in the client and oddball tag names up on the Gmail server. See
(describes Outlook but not specifying the root path can have similar
results in other clients):

http://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/gmailroot.htm

If you don't see all e-mails in the All Mail folder then likely you only
have a local All Mail folder and did not subscribe to the IMAP All Mail
folder in your Gmail account. There should be a way in WLM to decide to
which server-side IMAP folder your client will subscribe. This is a
Windows 7 newsgroup, not a WLM newsgroup. For help on using WLM, go ask
in the WLM newsgroup over at microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop.

https://support.google.com/mail/answ..._topic=3397500

If you want the messages left up on the server but not have them in the
Inbox folder (on the server and also in your client) then create a
holding or archive folder to store them and move old Inbox messages to
there. The Inbox folder is not an archive. Create an archive folder.
It can be local only or you can create it (well, the tag, that is) on
the server and subscribe to it in the client.

Steven wrote:
Hello,

Can anyone here solve a a little problem for me? I'm using Windows Live
Mail 2012 relatively successfully with IMAP Gmail but I would like to
get the delete command in the software move messages to the "All Mail"
folder (which means they will still be archived on Gmail) rather than
the Bin folder.

It seems like the way to do this may be to go to account properties and
then go to the IMAP tab. This is what I then get:

http://postimg.org/image/6ymw35r43/

I would like to change "Deleted items path" to [Gmail]/All Mail but as
you can see the box is greyed out and remains so even if I uncheck any
of the boxes. Can anyone suggest what I should do here?

Thanks!
Afaik, WLM 12(or any version) does not provide the ability for the
Delete command to move messages anywhere. i.e. it 'Deletes', nothing more.

--
....winston
msft mvp windows experience

....winston‫ wrote:

Steven wrote:
Hello,

Can anyone here solve a a little problem for me? I'm using Windows Live
Mail 2012 relatively successfully with IMAP Gmail but I would like to
get the delete command in the software move messages to the "All Mail"
folder (which means they will still be archived on Gmail) rather than
the Bin folder.

It seems like the way to do this may be to go to account properties and
then go to the IMAP tab. This is what I then get:

http://postimg.org/image/6ymw35r43/

I would like to change "Deleted items path" to [Gmail]/All Mail but as
you can see the box is greyed out and remains so even if I uncheck any
of the boxes. Can anyone suggest what I should do here?

Afaik, WLM 12(or any version) does not provide the ability for the
Delete command to move messages anywhere. i.e. it 'Deletes', nothing more.

Some IMAP clients do not sync their Deleted [Items] or Trash folder to
the server. Their 'delete' is to only a local trash folder. Is WLM
that way? I recall Google saying not to subscribe to their server-side
Trash folder.

http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/syn...ogle-accounts/

I don't know if WLM does the same as Outlook. However, it appears that
Gmail doesn't list the Trash folder, by default, when the IMAP client
requests a list of folders available on the server. The user has to
configure their Gmail account to show the Trash folder as one to which
the client can subscribe.

http://starrguide.com/find-trash-folder-in-gmail/

If the OP did not alter the default config of their Gmail account, the
Deleted Items folder (showing as Bin for the OP) wouldn't be one
subscribed to by WLM. So it would seem the message the OP drags out of
his local-only Deleted Items folder into the All Mail folder (but then
that isn't included, by default, by the Gmail config) would result in
putting a local copy of a message into the All Mail folder (which
already had an original copy).

The OP also did not specify the root folder path (the root node under
which are the "folder" - which Gmail uses as tags instead of actual
folders). That means the folders will likely appear under the Inbox
instead of as separate folders; i.e., Trash and other subscribed folders
will be under the Inbox folder (expanding the Inbox folder will show the
Trash and other folders under the Inbox) versus Inbox, Trash, and other
subscribed folders at the same level in the tree view. The OP left
blank the "root folder path" value defined in the IMAP account in his
client. Unless Google finally got around to using a default root folder
path from which all their tags are biased, he should still specify
[Gmail] as the root.


Overall ...

All Mail is not included by default in a Gmail account as reported to an
IMAP client. So did the OP create a local-only All Mail folder
(disconnected from any folder/tag up on the server)? Or did the OP
change his server-side Gmail config to show/report the All Mail folder
to an IMAP client and did he then have his IMAP client subscribe to that
server-side folder? The same applies to the Trash folder. Did the OP
go into the Gmail config to select which folders would be presented to
an IMAP client to which it could then subscribe?

Google doesn't faithfully follow [the intent of] the IMAP standard.
Instead of the client controlling retention and deletion of messages,
those behaviors are configured up in the Gmail account. We don't know
how the OP configured the IMAP options in his Gmail account.

Why wasn't the root folder path specified in the IMAP account the OP
defined in the IMAP client? Gmail needs this specified (so tagging is
correct). Other IMAP providers do not (they use folders, not tags).

VanguardLH wrote:
...winston‫ wrote:

Afaik, WLM 12(or any version) does not provide the ability for the
Delete command to move messages anywhere. i.e. it 'Deletes', nothing more.

Some IMAP clients do not sync their Deleted [Items] or Trash folder to
the server. Their 'delete' is to only a local trash folder. Is WLM
that way? I recall Google saying not to subscribe to their server-side
Trash folder.

An IMAP Gmail account in WLM does not have a Deleted Items folder.
Enabling the Trash folder (Show in IMAP) in the Gmail web UI will move
'deletes' to the Local mirrored Trash folder. WLM can access the
folder(like other account's POP3 and DeltaSync Deleted Items) for
message management or empty the entire folder.

http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/syn...ogle-accounts/

I don't know if WLM does the same as Outlook. However, it appears that
Gmail doesn't list the Trash folder, by default, when the IMAP client
requests a list of folders available on the server. The user has to
configure their Gmail account to show the Trash folder as one to which
the client can subscribe.
The Trash folder in the web UI is configurable (Show or Hide)
- don't recall what the default was. I have it set to 'Show'. Setting
to 'Hide' will remove it when synced.

http://starrguide.com/find-trash-folder-in-gmail/

If the OP did not alter the default config of their Gmail account, the
Deleted Items folder (showing as Bin for the OP) wouldn't be one
subscribed to by WLM. So it would seem the message the OP drags out of
his local-only Deleted Items folder into the All Mail folder (but then
that isn't included, by default, by the Gmail config) would result in
putting a local copy of a message into the All Mail folder (which
already had an original copy).

The OP also did not specify the root folder path (the root node under
which are the "folder" - which Gmail uses as tags instead of actual
folders). That means the folders will likely appear under the Inbox
instead of as separate folders; i.e., Trash and other subscribed folders
will be under the Inbox folder (expanding the Inbox folder will show the
Trash and other folders under the Inbox) versus Inbox, Trash, and other
subscribed folders at the same level in the tree view. The OP left
blank the "root folder path" value defined in the IMAP account in his
client. Unless Google finally got around to using a default root folder
path from which all their tags are biased, he should still specify
[Gmail] as the root.
At this end...the root folder path is not configured. No folders are
subfolders of the Inbox.
The All Mail, Drafts, Sent Mail, Spam, Trash - set to show in the Gmail
web UI are folders under the placeholder [Gmail]. [Gmail] is just a
placeholder, not a folder - messages can not be moved or copied to it,
only the folders shown under the placeholder..


--
....winston
msft mvp windows experience