OK/Cancel dialog, which way round?

On 03/06/2019 19.20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 00:57:29 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 02/06/2019 23.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jun 2019 21:48:49 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:


....

Yes, we usually have those, headlights, and foglights (which I've
never
used as they look identical to brakelights) on the left stick.*
Wipers
on the right stick, along with radio volume etc.

foglights have a use in intense fog, because the bulb is five
times as
powerful.

And looks like you're braking.* So when you do brake, whoops!

Even so, that's better that finding a car suddenly 20 metres from your
front, and going slower.

Then you were driving too fast for the conditions.

Probably "he". I would be the one onto which he would crash from behind.
But I have driven in those conditions, and I tell you that I'm happy to
see the bright lone red light at more distance than I see the others.

So you're now following this light and the guy brakes.* You don't know
he's done so.* BANG!* Accident.

Oh, but I do.

If I'm far, I see a single light, and I slow to match speed. Probably
now I see all his lights. If he brakes, I see three intense lights, so I
know he is braking.

....

Safety tests are illogical.* For example, if I have an old car with no
ABS brakes, it passes.* If I have a new car with failed ABS brakes, it
fails.* But they both have working non-ABS brakes.

Well, the second does not pass its design conditions.

But it's still safer than the first.

Ah, they have to follow the rules. Bureaucracy.




The stupid thing also went "ping!" every 5
seconds when I had no seatbelt on.

That I have seen. Mine does it, actually, but waits a bit before
starting.

Yes the van did too, which made it even harder to work out.* Every time
I stopped to check for open doors, the ping stopped for 5 minutes.

Ah, no, mine starts, apparently, after 15 metres.

Time to remove the bleeper.

I don't want to. Besides, mine probably uses the radio speakers.


No warning light, no symbol to tell
me what it was objecting to, just a noise.* I took it back to the
place
I got it from, and they actually took quarter of an hour to figure out
what it was.* I assumed a door was left open or something, and so did
they.* We all wasted 15 minutes looking for a busted catch or
sensor on
a door.

LOL
Mine I think has a lamp for that in the dash.

Mine has a lamp only.* No noise.* I just put black paint over the
lamp.My neighbour bought a seatbelt end to plug in so the car was
fooled into
thinking he was wearing one.

I would never do that. :-|

As a cop once told me "you're only endangering yourself".

False. That cop should be fired.


....

The worst ones are BMWs using those xenon(?) projector lamps, they
change colour at different angles.

Those are not daylight running lights. Those are night beams or
headlights. Xenons can not be used for daylights, too focused.

Who knows what those ******s use.

If they hurt your eyes, they are using incorrect systems and should be
fined. Hopefully they are old cars with no daylight system that are
forced to use the beams instead.


I find them useful. Easier to see vehicles from afar. But why not
also
in the back?

That confuses me aswell.* Presumably these morons who can't see when a
vehicle is moving only think they need to see them coming towards
them.

Well, it is the most dangerous situation. It actually saves lives.

I'd say it probably kills people.* Every time I pass one of those stupid
cars my eyes are drawn to it.* Lights are to attract attention.* You
should not be glancing at every single car.* Now you're not paying
attention to pedestrians.* Or will they have to be fitted with lights
too?* I can see a moving object without it being lit.

Tsk tsk.

Driving was so much easier before they tried to make it "safer".*
Another thing that annoys me is this crazy idea of removing give way
(yield) lines at junctions.* Allegedly everyone slows down as they're
unsure of who has priority.* Bull****.* Everyone assumes the other car
will stop, and of course BANG!

Well, no such thing here. At places we have to yield, there is a signal
on a post - unless it is a crossing with no posts, and then *everybody*
has to yield. There are very few of those. The line on the road is
optional, just marks the safe place to stop at.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 03/06/2019 20.17, nospam wrote:
In article , Gene Wirchenko
wrote:


When I rented cars, I used to get caught by which side the gas
cap was on. Many other must have, too, and now, cars in my area
usually have an indicator with the gas gauge as to which side the cap
is on.

cars have had that for *years*,

I haven't ever noticed.

not that it matters, since the hose is
long enough to reach across to the other side.

Ah, you have seen the hoses at every place and every country to know
that :-p

And even if so, you have to stop at the exact spot measured on the rear;
not too far back so that the hose doesn't touch your roof or your glass,
nor too far ahead and then the hose doesn't reach either.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 03/06/2019 20.31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:11:10 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2019 17:21:37 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

[snip]

All that annoys me too.* Even some cars.* I gave my neighbour a lift
*in her own car recently (she felt too unwell to drive), and I could
not find the switch for the headlights!* Every car I've ever owned has
it on the stalk along with the indicator.* This weird (Rover) car had
a separate switch on the dashboard!

**** When I rented cars, I used to get caught by which side the gas
cap was on.* Many other must have, too, and now, cars in my area
usually have an indicator with the gas gauge as to which side the cap
is on.

Why on earth would you need to know which side it's on?* Don't your
pumps have long enough hoses to reach across?* If they don't, you must
get queues for half the filling points, which would be very inefficient.

We do. The queues, I mean.

Except on the few sites that are staffed.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:47:34 +0200, Carlos E.R., another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:

FLUSH 142 !!! lines of troll****

What has all this **** got to do with any of the groups you subnormal idiots
keep crossposting it to? Care to explain, you senile idiot?

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 11:53:38 +0200, Carlos E.R., another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



We do. The queues, I mean.

The only thing you senile cocksuckers from alt.comp.os.windows do is queue
for the Scottish ******'s cock! BG

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:53:38 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 03/06/2019 20.31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:11:10 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2019 17:21:37 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

[snip]

All that annoys me too. Even some cars. I gave my neighbour a lift
in her own car recently (she felt too unwell to drive), and I could
not find the switch for the headlights! Every car I've ever owned has
it on the stalk along with the indicator. This weird (Rover) car had
a separate switch on the dashboard!

When I rented cars, I used to get caught by which side the gas
cap was on. Many other must have, too, and now, cars in my area
usually have an indicator with the gas gauge as to which side the cap
is on.

Why on earth would you need to know which side it's on? Don't your
pumps have long enough hoses to reach across? If they don't, you must
get queues for half the filling points, which would be very inefficient.

We do. The queues, I mean.

Except on the few sites that are staffed.

I like the morons here that queue on the "correct side". We seem to have the majority of cars with a right side filler cap, which means I can always get to a left side pump and reach it across, while everyone else waits.

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 01:54:46 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:31:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:11:10 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2019 17:21:37 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

[snip]

All that annoys me too. Even some cars. I gave my neighbour a lift
in her own car recently (she felt too unwell to drive), and I could
not find the switch for the headlights! Every car I've ever owned has
it on the stalk along with the indicator. This weird (Rover) car had
a separate switch on the dashboard!

When I rented cars, I used to get caught by which side the gas
cap was on. Many other must have, too, and now, cars in my area
usually have an indicator with the gas gauge as to which side the cap
is on.

Why on earth would you need to know which side it's on?

Because the answer to your next question is not yes.

Don't your pumps have long enough hoses to reach across?

No, usually not.

What a strange idea. All our pumps will service a car with a filler cap on either side.

If they don't, you must get queues for half the filling points, which would be very inefficient.

No, most people know which side. (I worked briefly as a gas
jockey so I know that most people did indeed know.)

Knowing which side doesn't help if all the left side pumps are occupied.

[[The above rearranged so your answers match the questions]]

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 02:52:40 +0100, Tony Cooper wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 17:54:46 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:31:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:11:10 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2019 17:21:37 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

[snip]

All that annoys me too. Even some cars. I gave my neighbour a lift
in her own car recently (she felt too unwell to drive), and I could
not find the switch for the headlights! Every car I've ever owned has
it on the stalk along with the indicator. This weird (Rover) car had
a separate switch on the dashboard!

When I rented cars, I used to get caught by which side the gas
cap was on. Many other must have, too, and now, cars in my area
usually have an indicator with the gas gauge as to which side the cap
is on.

Why on earth would you need to know which side it's on? Don't your pumps
have long enough hoses to reach across? If they don't, you must get
queues for half the filling points, which would be very inefficient.

Because the answer to your next question is not yes.

No, usually not.

No, most people know which side. (I worked briefly as a gas
jockey so I know that most people did indeed know.)

Perhaps Commander Kinsey is in an area where there are long queues for
the pumps. That's not common in the U.S. unless there are some
special circumstances. I estimate that I enter a gas station and
directly to a free pump 95% of the time.

Why are your gas stations buying more pumps than they need to?

The exception is, in this area, Costco. Costco often has a gas price
that is significantly lower than other stations,

People in the UK mostly buy from supermarkets, they're a lot cheaper than the likes of Esso (Exxon), BP, etc.

a limited number of pumps, and a queue of three or four cars in each lane.

Probably cheaper because they don't waste money on unnecessary pumps.

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 02:03:37 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:29:52 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:20:50 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 12:14:22 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| It also matches the way the human language is read and the
directionality
| of time's arrow.
|
| Do something?
| No and abandon this Yes and continue
| and go back to what to the next thing
| you were previously that you want to
| doing do
| ------------------ -----------------

| Agreed and well put.

Quite an offbeat, philosophical, but creative
rationalization for your view. Now I guess you
can move on to yes/no/cancel and abort/retry/ignore.
Quantum directionality?

Personally, I prefer whichever one is most likely to come first.
The reason is that you can tab to the button and press Enter to
select. That can help with DE.

The only sensible order is to avoid pressing the wrong thing by mistake.

The two are unrelated.

Incorrect. I started this thread precisely because I keep assuming that "affirmative" is on the right, and click it just before I've had time to read the button text.

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 01:52:27 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 18:20:34 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

[snip]

Driving was so much easier before they tried to make it "safer". Another

A good point.

thing that annoys me is this crazy idea of removing give way (yield)
lines at junctions. Allegedly everyone slows down as they're unsure
of who has priority. Bull****. Everyone assumes the other car will
stop, and of course BANG!

No, that is just one scenario. Two others:

Or they both slow becuase neither knows. Confusion.

Or one yields as he should and the other does when he has right
of way. Confusion.

Those two aren't so bad, and is what the council told me would always happen. They think this is ok because cars end up going slower. But almost every time I've gone through such a junction (from any entrance) the other car has assumed priority. There must be a lot of people doing emergency stops.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

When I rented cars, I used to get caught by which side the gas
cap was on. Many other must have, too, and now, cars in my area
usually have an indicator with the gas gauge as to which side the cap
is on.

cars have had that for *years*,

I haven't ever noticed.

i have.

not that it matters, since the hose is
long enough to reach across to the other side.

Ah, you have seen the hoses at every place and every country to know
that :-p

i've never seen a hose that was too short to reach to the other side.

however, i have been to a station where they got mad for doing that.

And even if so, you have to stop at the exact spot measured on the rear;
not too far back so that the hose doesn't touch your roof or your glass,
nor too far ahead and then the hose doesn't reach either.

no.

i try to use the preferred lane, but if that lane is full and the other
side is not, there's no point in waiting just to avoid having a hose go
around the vehicle.

On Tue, 04 Jun 2019 10:47:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 03/06/2019 19.20, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 00:57:29 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 02/06/2019 23.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jun 2019 21:48:49 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:


...

Yes, we usually have those, headlights, and foglights (which I've
never
used as they look identical to brakelights) on the left stick.Wipers
on the right stick, along with radio volume etc.

foglights have a use in intense fog, because the bulb is five
times as
powerful.

And looks like you're braking. So when you do brake, whoops!

Even so, that's better that finding a car suddenly 20 metres from your
front, and going slower.

Then you were driving too fast for the conditions.

Probably "he". I would be the one onto which he would crash from behind.
But I have driven in those conditions, and I tell you that I'm happy to
see the bright lone red light at more distance than I see the others.

So you're now following this light and the guy brakes. You don't know
he's done so. BANG! Accident.

Oh, but I do.

If I'm far, I see a single light, and I slow to match speed.

Decent cars have two foglights.

Probably
now I see all his lights. If he brakes, I see three intense lights, so I
know he is braking.

Changing from two to three isn't as effective as none to three.

Safety tests are illogical. For example, if I have an old car with no
ABS brakes, it passes. If I have a new car with failed ABS brakes, it
fails. But they both have working non-ABS brakes.

Well, the second does not pass its design conditions.

But it's still safer than the first.

Ah, they have to follow the rules. Bureaucracy.

Some garages don't - I had my car fail the ABS test because the warning light was on, but the car refused to communicate with the garage's computer to say what part was faulty, so he just passed it. Technically it was ok at the time of the pass - he reset the car's computer, which stopped the warning light for about 5 minutes.

The stupid thing also went "ping!" every 5
seconds when I had no seatbelt on.

That I have seen. Mine does it, actually, but waits a bit before
starting.

Yes the van did too, which made it even harder to work out. Every time
I stopped to check for open doors, the ping stopped for 5 minutes.

Ah, no, mine starts, apparently, after 15 metres.

Time to remove the bleeper.

I don't want to.

Ah, a pessimist or a **** driver?

Besides, mine probably uses the radio speakers.

Must still be a way of disconnecting it from the speakers.

No warning light, no symbol to tell
me what it was objecting to, just a noise. I took it back to the
place
I got it from, and they actually took quarter of an hour to figure out
what it was. I assumed a door was left open or something, and so did
they. We all wasted 15 minutes looking for a busted catch or
sensor on
a door.

LOL
Mine I think has a lamp for that in the dash.

Mine has a lamp only. No noise. I just put black paint over the
lamp.My neighbour bought a seatbelt end to plug in so the car was
fooled into
thinking he was wearing one.

I would never do that. :-|

As a cop once told me "you're only endangering yourself".

False. That cop should be fired.

It's not false. If I crash with no seatbelt, I injure myself and nobody else.

In fact I've known of quite a few cases where not wearing a seatbelt has saved somebody's life, by allowing them to fly out of the vehicle which is then crushed or catches fire. If your car is gonna get squished and burnt, you don't want to be in it.

The worst ones are BMWs using those xenon(?) projector lamps, they
change colour at different angles.

Those are not daylight running lights. Those are night beams or
headlights. Xenons can not be used for daylights, too focused.

Who knows what those ******s use.

If they hurt your eyes, they are using incorrect systems and should be
fined. Hopefully they are old cars with no daylight system that are
forced to use the beams instead.

They don't hurt my eyes, but they adjust my iris for brighter light, just like if someone walks up to you and shines a torch in your eye.

They are not forced to use the beams, there is no legal requirement to have lights on during the day in the UK.

I find them useful. Easier to see vehicles from afar. But why not
also
in the back?

That confuses me aswell. Presumably these morons who can't see when a
vehicle is moving only think they need to see them coming towards
them.

Well, it is the most dangerous situation. It actually saves lives.

I'd say it probably kills people. Every time I pass one of those stupid
cars my eyes are drawn to it. Lights are to attract attention. You
should not be glancing at every single car. Now you're not paying
attention to pedestrians. Or will they have to be fitted with lights
too? I can see a moving object without it being lit.

Tsk tsk.

Driving was so much easier before they tried to make it "safer".Another thing that annoys me is this crazy idea of removing give way
(yield) lines at junctions. Allegedly everyone slows down as they're
unsure of who has priority. Bull****. Everyone assumes the other car
will stop, and of course BANG!

Well, no such thing here. At places we have to yield, there is a signal
on a post - unless it is a crossing with no posts, and then *everybody*
has to yield. There are very few of those. The line on the road is
optional, just marks the safe place to stop at.

The line is more likely to be noticed and should be there in preference to the signs.

On 6/4/2019 2:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 03/06/2019 20.17, nospam wrote:

not that it matters, since the hose is
long enough to reach across to the other side.

Ah, you have seen the hoses at every place and every country to know
that :-p

And even if so, you have to stop at the exact spot measured on the rear;
not too far back so that the hose doesn't touch your roof or your glass,
nor too far ahead and then the hose doesn't reach either.

And in that spot, there's a concrete post that prevents you opening your
door to get out and do the filling, unless you stop so far to the side
that the hose is again too short to reach....r

Tony Cooper wrote:


If you find that inconvenient, find a 1987 Aston Martin Lagonda. That
car could be filled from either side of the car. It had a fuel-fill
flap on the panel behind the rear window on each side, but one gas
tank that both led to.

Click and Clack had a puzzler one time about some car thieves who took
their stolen vehicle to a gas station, then spent several minutes
walking around the car, peering at it...and then walked away, leaving
the car behind them.

It was a 50's Chevy (IIRC). To get to the filler cap you had to twist
the taillight on top of one of the rear fins. No wonder they couldn't
find it!

--
Tim Slattery
tim at risingdove dot com

In article , Tim Slattery
wrote:


Click and Clack had a puzzler one time about some car thieves who took
their stolen vehicle to a gas station, then spent several minutes
walking around the car, peering at it...and then walked away, leaving
the car behind them.

It was a 50's Chevy (IIRC). To get to the filler cap you had to twist
the taillight on top of one of the rear fins. No wonder they couldn't
find it!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/ff...8425d833dbdae7
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https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...s-with-hidden-
gas-filler-necks-what-mfgs.686876/