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Old October 15th 18, 08:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_20_]
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Default Disc burning question

Hello all,

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.

Why is this happening?
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Old October 15th 18, 11:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Disc burning question

Dan wrote:

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.


Did you have the burner program *close* the session? Burners can play
content that hasn't been closed but stand-alone players usually won't.
That is, you need to "finalize" the disc, so the burn session gets
closed.

https://cdburnerxp.se/help/references/burnoptions
Burn Method
DAO or Finalize options

Wolk already mentioned the encoding format. You have to review the
manual for your players to see which they support, and make sure that's
what you burnt onto the disc.

Disc burners and players rely on mechanical alignment. If a disc drive
is sufficiently misaligned, you can play the content using that disc
drive but not with other disc drives.

A dirty lens can emulate misalignment. You might be able to reach
through the front/loading slot with a long-stemmed ear swab (cotton swab
on a long wood stick) with some isopropyl on the cotton swab to clean
the lens. Since you're coming in at a right-angle through the slot to
get at the LED head, you may have to tease the cotton swab to swell it
up to get it to rub against the lens. There are discs with itty bitty
bristle tips embedded it for trying to clean the lens. Those are rather
a hit-and-miss method of cleaning the lens; for example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WVHBRMQieMU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ns_Cleaner.jpg
  #3  
Old October 16th 18, 07:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_20_]
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Default Disc burning question

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:13:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Dan wrote:

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.


Did you have the burner program *close* the session? Burners can play
content that hasn't been closed but stand-alone players usually won't.
That is, you need to "finalize" the disc, so the burn session gets
closed.

https://cdburnerxp.se/help/references/burnoptions
Burn Method
DAO or Finalize options

Wolk already mentioned the encoding format. You have to review the
manual for your players to see which they support, and make sure that's
what you burnt onto the disc.

Disc burners and players rely on mechanical alignment. If a disc drive
is sufficiently misaligned, you can play the content using that disc
drive but not with other disc drives.

A dirty lens can emulate misalignment. You might be able to reach
through the front/loading slot with a long-stemmed ear swab (cotton swab
on a long wood stick) with some isopropyl on the cotton swab to clean
the lens. Since you're coming in at a right-angle through the slot to
get at the LED head, you may have to tease the cotton swab to swell it
up to get it to rub against the lens. There are discs with itty bitty
bristle tips embedded it for trying to clean the lens. Those are rather
a hit-and-miss method of cleaning the lens; for example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WVHBRMQieMU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ns_Cleaner.jpg



Format of video files are MP4. Both player can play this format - I
have tested older recordings and they work.
I have a blu ray laser cleaning disc I bought many years ago which
uses tiny brushes. I will try this and get back to newsgroup.

Thanks to all in advance.

  #4  
Old October 16th 18, 07:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_20_]
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Default Disc burning question

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:22:24 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-10-15 15:09, Dan wrote:
Hello all,

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.

Why is this happening?


What format are the home movies? Check your player, and make certain it
can recognise the format. If you don't know what the format is, go to
the Control Panel, find Folder Options, and untick "Hide known extensions".

Good luck.



I forgot to mention, in cdburnerxp, I chose to close the disc
recording.
  #5  
Old October 16th 18, 05:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_20_]
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Default Disc burning question

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:13:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Dan wrote:

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.


Did you have the burner program *close* the session? Burners can play
content that hasn't been closed but stand-alone players usually won't.
That is, you need to "finalize" the disc, so the burn session gets
closed.

https://cdburnerxp.se/help/references/burnoptions
Burn Method
DAO or Finalize options

Wolk already mentioned the encoding format. You have to review the
manual for your players to see which they support, and make sure that's
what you burnt onto the disc.

Disc burners and players rely on mechanical alignment. If a disc drive
is sufficiently misaligned, you can play the content using that disc
drive but not with other disc drives.

A dirty lens can emulate misalignment. You might be able to reach
through the front/loading slot with a long-stemmed ear swab (cotton swab
on a long wood stick) with some isopropyl on the cotton swab to clean
the lens. Since you're coming in at a right-angle through the slot to
get at the LED head, you may have to tease the cotton swab to swell it
up to get it to rub against the lens. There are discs with itty bitty
bristle tips embedded it for trying to clean the lens. Those are rather
a hit-and-miss method of cleaning the lens; for example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WVHBRMQieMU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ns_Cleaner.jpg



Just used a blu ray player lens cleaner, no difference was sadly made.
  #6  
Old October 16th 18, 07:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Disc burning question

Dan wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:13:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Dan wrote:

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.

Did you have the burner program *close* the session? Burners can play
content that hasn't been closed but stand-alone players usually won't.
That is, you need to "finalize" the disc, so the burn session gets
closed.

https://cdburnerxp.se/help/references/burnoptions
Burn Method
DAO or Finalize options

Wolk already mentioned the encoding format. You have to review the
manual for your players to see which they support, and make sure that's
what you burnt onto the disc.

Disc burners and players rely on mechanical alignment. If a disc drive
is sufficiently misaligned, you can play the content using that disc
drive but not with other disc drives.

A dirty lens can emulate misalignment. You might be able to reach
through the front/loading slot with a long-stemmed ear swab (cotton swab
on a long wood stick) with some isopropyl on the cotton swab to clean
the lens. Since you're coming in at a right-angle through the slot to
get at the LED head, you may have to tease the cotton swab to swell it
up to get it to rub against the lens. There are discs with itty bitty
bristle tips embedded it for trying to clean the lens. Those are rather
a hit-and-miss method of cleaning the lens; for example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WVHBRMQieMU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ns_Cleaner.jpg



Just used a blu ray player lens cleaner, no difference was sadly made.


You need to take a closer look at the file format.
Container and codec.

If nothing else works, ffprobe from the ffmpeg package can
tell you about the content.

Click the selector bars, then click Download Build. I've had
trouble with some of the newer stuff, so there's no guarantee
that even the release stream 4.0.2 will work. Some libraries
got added to the main release, that don't seem to have matching
Win32 DLLs to cover the Windows builds. But, you can test
and see how well it works this week.

https://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/

Paul
  #7  
Old October 17th 18, 07:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_20_]
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Default Disc burning question

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:09:27 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Dan wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:13:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Dan wrote:

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.
Did you have the burner program *close* the session? Burners can play
content that hasn't been closed but stand-alone players usually won't.
That is, you need to "finalize" the disc, so the burn session gets
closed.

https://cdburnerxp.se/help/references/burnoptions
Burn Method
DAO or Finalize options

Wolk already mentioned the encoding format. You have to review the
manual for your players to see which they support, and make sure that's
what you burnt onto the disc.

Disc burners and players rely on mechanical alignment. If a disc drive
is sufficiently misaligned, you can play the content using that disc
drive but not with other disc drives.

A dirty lens can emulate misalignment. You might be able to reach
through the front/loading slot with a long-stemmed ear swab (cotton swab
on a long wood stick) with some isopropyl on the cotton swab to clean
the lens. Since you're coming in at a right-angle through the slot to
get at the LED head, you may have to tease the cotton swab to swell it
up to get it to rub against the lens. There are discs with itty bitty
bristle tips embedded it for trying to clean the lens. Those are rather
a hit-and-miss method of cleaning the lens; for example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WVHBRMQieMU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ns_Cleaner.jpg



Just used a blu ray player lens cleaner, no difference was sadly made.


You need to take a closer look at the file format.
Container and codec.

If nothing else works, ffprobe from the ffmpeg package can
tell you about the content.

Click the selector bars, then click Download Build. I've had
trouble with some of the newer stuff, so there's no guarantee
that even the release stream 4.0.2 will work. Some libraries
got added to the main release, that don't seem to have matching
Win32 DLLs to cover the Windows builds. But, you can test
and see how well it works this week.

https://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/

Paul



Thanks.

How do I use this?
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Old October 17th 18, 07:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pjp[_10_]
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Default Disc burning question

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:09:27 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Dan wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:13:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Dan wrote:

I burnt some home movies to a bd r with cdburnerxp which said all the
files were burnt to disc correctly. But when I test the disc in my and
my fathers blu ray players a message come up saying "unknown disc".

I tested both players with another bd r from the same tub that I burnt
last year. Both player recognise this disc.
So I then split the home movies as to fit on a dvd r.
Same error on both players.
Both players play cdr, dvdr and bdr that I burnt last year and still
both play blu ray movies that I bought.
Did you have the burner program *close* the session? Burners can play
content that hasn't been closed but stand-alone players usually won't.
That is, you need to "finalize" the disc, so the burn session gets
closed.

https://cdburnerxp.se/help/references/burnoptions
Burn Method
DAO or Finalize options

Wolk already mentioned the encoding format. You have to review the
manual for your players to see which they support, and make sure that's
what you burnt onto the disc.

Disc burners and players rely on mechanical alignment. If a disc drive
is sufficiently misaligned, you can play the content using that disc
drive but not with other disc drives.

A dirty lens can emulate misalignment. You might be able to reach
through the front/loading slot with a long-stemmed ear swab (cotton swab
on a long wood stick) with some isopropyl on the cotton swab to clean
the lens. Since you're coming in at a right-angle through the slot to
get at the LED head, you may have to tease the cotton swab to swell it
up to get it to rub against the lens. There are discs with itty bitty
bristle tips embedded it for trying to clean the lens. Those are rather
a hit-and-miss method of cleaning the lens; for example:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WVHBRMQieMU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ns_Cleaner.jpg


Just used a blu ray player lens cleaner, no difference was sadly made.


Was it ever made clear exactly the kind of disk is being created.
Basically is it a data disk holding files or is it a movie dvd that
required some other program to create, e.g. Nero Vision (what I use).

If it's simply a data disk then there's never any quarantee any specific
dvd player will read the disk given alignment specs etc. let alone a lot
of older dvd players can't read burned disks, dvd+r or dvd-r or any dvd-
rw but they do all read dual-layer as that's what many movies come as.

My car stereo only plays some burned cds. I have no idea why given it's
same pc, same burning program and same stack of disks used to create and
burn the disks. It basically doesn't want to play them but some it can.

My dvd hardware recorder plays not only dvd movies but also
dvdx/xvid/mpg etc. files so no need to make a dvd movie limited to 3
hours but instead I can put approx 8-10 movies on a disk in XVID format
and simply select from the dvd players menu. My other dvd players don't
do that.

Also assuming it's the original files you want to play and not something
converted to a dvd movie (e.g vob files) there's no quarantee that any
mpg, avi file etc. is using the same codec as another similariliy named
file. The extension is just a "container". Because of this I convert
every video I download to a specific format and size along with the
audio and I keep that. The spec I choose works for everything I
presently own and I never have to bother again with what codec does this
file require. On a new pc it means install one video codec takes care of
it all. I use Any Video Converter to convert, an older version by now. I
convert to xvid 720x480 video (standard dvd) and 192Kbs mp3 for audio.

Nero Vision eats them up and I never have a bad movie disk using it.
Also older pcs play the videos fine as XVID doesn't seem to require the
resources newer codecs demand. I started doing this when dvds were only
option, now-a-days I might have picked a higher resolution but given
most downloaded videos are less res than even dvd standard there's no
real point to it.
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Old October 17th 18, 08:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Dan wrote:

Paul wrote:

If nothing else works, ffprobe from the ffmpeg package can tell you
about the content.


How do I use this?


I don't use ffmpeg directly (which has you use the command line). I use
a program that is a front-end to ffmpeg. For example, VideoLan's VLC.
When I play a video file, I can use its Tools - Codec Information menu
to see what was used to encode the contents inside the container file.
For example, I just played an .mp4 file and it had:

stream 0 (video)
codec: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10)(avc1)

stream 2 (audio)
codec: MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)

I played an .avi file (no audio) in VLC and its codec info was:

stream 0
codec: Microsoft RLE Video

For an .mp3 file (obviously just audio):

stream 0
codec: MPEG Audio Layer 1/2 (mpga)

All my .mp4 files (that I looked at) all use the same coder. That's
probably due to the video being captured from the Web using the same
stream capture program (Applian Replay Media Catcher). I don't have
many media files and download few directly from a site. The only MP4
codings that I can think of are MPEG-4 AVC (aka MPEG-4 part 10 or H.264)
and MPEG-4 part 2. Those are different formats, so your player saying
MPEG-4 capability isn't telling you which format it supports.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2
"Note that MPEG-4 Part 10 defines a different format from MPEG-4 Part 2
and should not be confused with it. MPEG-4 Part 10 is commonly referred
to as H.264 or AVC, ..."
and
"MPEG-4 Part 2 is H.263 compatible in the sense that a basic H.263
bitstream is correctly decoded by an MPEG-4 Video decoder."

H.263 is an older spec than H.264 but both were published (although
perhaps not widely adopted) about the same time (1996 and 2003,
respectively). BD players started showing up in 2003 (but were very
pricey at $3000+). Once you find the coder used for the source video
that you are burning onto BDs, and after using VLC or some other video
player that tells you the codecs used in a video, check the specs on
your father's BD player to see if the same codecs (video and audio) are
supported. If the BD player just says MPEG-4 then check if it also
lists H.263 and H.264.

BD discs come in a variety of flavors: 25GB single-layer, 50GB
dual-layer, 100/200/300GB (BDXL). They can also be encoded using CLV or
CAV. Since you've given no details on brand and model of your BD burner
and you and your father's BD players, no idea what they support.

Is the BD burner drive in your computer, or are you using someone else's
BD burner drive on their computer? From your original message, you and
your father have BD players but there is a hint that you used someone
else's BD burner. If you are using someone else's BD burner drive, is
it the same one now that they had last time (for the BD-R discs that
still work in your players)? If the computer with the BD burner drive
is your computer, and if all you are doing is copying (burning) video
files onto an optical disc, have you tried the in-built burner in
Windows 7? Instead of super-huge video files that require a BD disc or
spanning multiple DVD or CD discs, get a video that will fit onto a DVD
or CD disc (whichever you have that are write-once or writable) and see
if using Windows 7's own burner (which only supports CD or DVD, not BD)
lets you create a disc that is playable in your and your father's
players. See:

https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/burn...indows-7-8-10/

You said in another subthread that you "closed the disc". Does that
mean you use the DAO (Disc At Once) burning methond *and* enabled the
Finalize Disc options?

https://cdburnerxp.se/help/References/burnoptions
 




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