MS's support logic

Isn't stopping IE as well as XP security updates kinda like extortion
and/or blackmail on MS's part?

They act as if money isn't an issue for most people and it's little to
no "effort" for most people to simply throw out their old computer and
buy another.

Welll I for one can't easily afford to just throw away a pc that works
fine and does all I want simply because MS decides I should no longer
use it for it's intended purpose because they decide they'll no longer
patch it to work properly and as it should have when it was bought.

It's obvious now that MS releases software, they know has bugs in it nd
they've already decided to NOT fix them unless they have to.

In the meantime, the old XP pc's I have here that continue to work will
continue to connect to the internet. Until/unless something gets
surreptiously installed on them I see no reason to not keep doing what
I've always done. If said software becomes a problem I'll simply reimage
the pc and start again.

As far as I'm concerned MS is leaving me out to hang so I don't see why
the stink shouldn't carry wherever it wants to go. not my fault or
responsibility nor can I do anything about it except throw it away and
that I refuse to do with a working pc.

Gine me a $5 upgrade path and I might change my mind but no way I'm
buying a copy of Vista or Win7 (pc's running XP now will run those OS's)
for the amount they feel it's worth. Geez, we all know it's defective
right out of the box!!!

See, I really don't give a rat's ass about malware, virus's etc. So what
if they cause DOS attacks etc. That's MS's problem for not fixing their
software not mine for using it. As I said, I can reimage anytime so if
it don't affect me ...

pjp wrote:


Isn't stopping IE as well as XP security updates kinda like extortion
and/or blackmail on MS's part?

They act as if money isn't an issue for most people and it's little to
no "effort" for most people to simply throw out their old computer and
buy another.

Welll I for one can't easily afford to just throw away a pc that works
fine and does all I want simply because MS decides I should no longer
use it for it's intended purpose because they decide they'll no longer
patch it to work properly and as it should have when it was bought.

It's obvious now that MS releases software, they know has bugs in it nd
they've already decided to NOT fix them unless they have to.

In the meantime, the old XP pc's I have here that continue to work will
continue to connect to the internet. Until/unless something gets
surreptiously installed on them I see no reason to not keep doing what
I've always done. If said software becomes a problem I'll simply reimage
the pc and start again.

As far as I'm concerned MS is leaving me out to hang so I don't see why
the stink shouldn't carry wherever it wants to go. not my fault or
responsibility nor can I do anything about it except throw it away and
that I refuse to do with a working pc.

Gine me a $5 upgrade path and I might change my mind but no way I'm
buying a copy of Vista or Win7 (pc's running XP now will run those OS's)
for the amount they feel it's worth. Geez, we all know it's defective
right out of the box!!!

See, I really don't give a rat's ass about malware, virus's etc. So what
if they cause DOS attacks etc. That's MS's problem for not fixing their
software not mine for using it. As I said, I can reimage anytime so if
it don't affect me ...


Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

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A

On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:20:10 +0200, A wrote:

Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

Linux is ok, but it's not for everyone. Linux users like to tout the
system using as their main argument that windows is awful, full of bugs
and virus ridden.
It isn't, I've nothing against Linux but I refuse to discard apps I like
and have paid for in favour of the Linux equivalent if available. Most of
the good open source stuff like Libre Office runs on either system.
I have Ubuntu running under virtual box but rarely use it, although for
those paranoid about malware that might be a good solution.

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:20:10 +0200, A wrote:

Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

Linux is ok, but it's not for everyone. Linux users like to tout the
system using as their main argument that windows is awful, full of bugs
and virus ridden.

I don't agree. I just don't want to rent Windows which is what you will
have to do in the very near future. We're on the *threshold". Office 365
is just the beginning.

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A

In article , says...

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:20:10 +0200, A wrote:

Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

Linux is ok, but it's not for everyone. Linux users like to tout the
system using as their main argument that windows is awful, full of bugs
and virus ridden.

I don't agree. I just don't want to rent Windows which is what you will
have to do in the very near future. We're on the *threshold". Office 365
is just the beginning.

That's the truth. I stated during 98 Beta testing that this was the way
MS wanted to go, e.g. pay a fee for every time you use their product.
They'll at least try that approach if only nudging into it to gauge
response. Hope we say "SCREW YOU, YOU GREEDY *******S ALWAYS WANTING
MORE".

Hope we say "SCREW YOU, YOU GREEDY *******S ALWAYS WANTING
MORE".

No worries.

I’m eager to see how business and consumer will react when MS forces
them to make a “conscious� decision on the monthly fee for an OS,
especially when the majority of consumer thought it’s free as part of
the computer they purchased.

This company has developed a habit of being kicked in the ass and then
change.




On 8/9/2014 8:19 AM, pjp wrote:
In article , says...

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:20:10 +0200, A wrote:

Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

Linux is ok, but it's not for everyone. Linux users like to tout the
system using as their main argument that windows is awful, full of bugs
and virus ridden.

I don't agree. I just don't want to rent Windows which is what you will
have to do in the very near future. We're on the *threshold". Office 365
is just the beginning.

That's the truth. I stated during 98 Beta testing that this was the way
MS wanted to go, e.g. pay a fee for every time you use their product.
They'll at least try that approach if only nudging into it to gauge
response.

On 2014-08-08, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:20:10 +0200, A wrote:

Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

Linux is ok, but it's not for everyone. Linux users like to tout the
system using as their main argument that windows is awful, full of bugs
and virus ridden.
It isn't, I've nothing against Linux but I refuse to discard apps I like
and have paid for in favour of the Linux equivalent if available. Most of
the good open source stuff like Libre Office runs on either system.
I have Ubuntu running under virtual box but rarely use it, although for
those paranoid about malware that might be a good solution.

Linux runs Firefox, TBird, Chrome, Spreadsheets, etc.
It's for everyone.

--
As a child, I fell on an Encyclopaedea, but still remember most of it.

In article , says...

On 2014-08-08, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:20:10 +0200, A wrote:

Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

Linux is ok, but it's not for everyone. Linux users like to tout the
system using as their main argument that windows is awful, full of bugs
and virus ridden.
It isn't, I've nothing against Linux but I refuse to discard apps I like
and have paid for in favour of the Linux equivalent if available. Most of
the good open source stuff like Libre Office runs on either system.
I have Ubuntu running under virtual box but rarely use it, although for
those paranoid about malware that might be a good solution.

Linux runs Firefox, TBird, Chrome, Spreadsheets, etc.
It's for everyone.

NO it's not. True you can get most common apps for it but if you like
playing games then basically Windows is only choice (unless want to trap
yourself into PS or Xbox ecosystem and it's exorbitant pricing for
games), e.g. there's no MS Flight Sim of any version for Linux, I'm
unaware of any of the Need For Speed series working on Linux, same with
Call Of Duty and Medal Of Honor series, Bioshock and the like, various
RPG's and RTS's etc. etc. and for that matter almost all other major
games of any genre. The few that do, then where's the support for my
flight stick, wheel etc.

Also what's the alternative to full version of Photoshop or Autocad to
name just two heavy hitters.

On 2014-08-09, pjp wrote:
In article , says...

On 2014-08-08, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:20:10 +0200, A wrote:

Or you can use Linux which is free. I recommend Net Runner for ex Window
users:

http://www.netrunner-os.com/

You can dual boot with XP until you get used to it.

Linux is ok, but it's not for everyone. Linux users like to tout the
system using as their main argument that windows is awful, full of bugs
and virus ridden.
It isn't, I've nothing against Linux but I refuse to discard apps I like
and have paid for in favour of the Linux equivalent if available. Most of
the good open source stuff like Libre Office runs on either system.
I have Ubuntu running under virtual box but rarely use it, although for
those paranoid about malware that might be a good solution.

Linux runs Firefox, TBird, Chrome, Spreadsheets, etc.
It's for everyone.

NO it's not. True you can get most common apps for it but if you like
playing games then basically Windows is only choice (unless want to trap
yourself into PS or Xbox ecosystem and it's exorbitant pricing for
games), e.g. there's no MS Flight Sim of any version for Linux, I'm
unaware of any of the Need For Speed series working on Linux, same with
Call Of Duty and Medal Of Honor series, Bioshock and the like, various
RPG's and RTS's etc. etc. and for that matter almost all other major
games of any genre. The few that do, then where's the support for my
flight stick, wheel etc.

Are you some kind of ****ing moron?
You griped about MS extorting you for money, then when given a free
alternative, you mention all these games.
If you want to play games, then buy Windows.
How are you playing these games on an old XP pc?


Also what's the alternative to full version of Photoshop or Autocad to
name just two heavy hitters.

If you own Autocad, you can pay for Windows.
Or the new PC Windows will come on anyway.

--
As a child, I fell on an Encyclopaedea, but still remember most of it.

On 2014-08-09, pjp wrote:
In article , says...




Also what's the alternative to full version of Photoshop or Autocad to
name just two heavy hitters.

I don't know of any free photo editors that call home on a regular basis
nor any free cad packages that require a hardware device to enable them. If
you need those tools there's no reason to balk at the way Microsoft is
treating you.




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On 8/8/14 9:04 PM, pjp wrote:

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Also what's the alternative to full version of Photoshop or Autocad to
name just two heavy hitters.

I'm always amused when this type of question is asked. Who cares? The
statement presupposes everyone needs that level of sophistication in
software. Most people don't need this level of sophistication, so
you're simply not going to find programs of this sophistication on every
platform.

Just like not everyone needs 5 ton grain trucks, so you won't find every
car maker producing them. :-)


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 00:04:50 -0300, pjp wrote:

Also what's the alternative to full version of Photoshop or Autocad to
name just two heavy hitters.

I hear this argument all the time about Photoshop.

My retort is that your *typical* *home* *user* certainly doesn't need
Photoshop to play with some digital pictures of Billy and Sally to send
them to grandma and grandpa.

Most users *might* use 5% of the capabilites of any larger size program
like that.

When you say AutoCAD, I envision the old tried and true 2D drafting
package, not like Inventor, that someone might use for some basic
drawings at home...maybe some shed plans, or floorplans, etc....

I would suggest you take a look at DraftSight. From the makers of
SolidWorks, DraftSight is a 2D CAD package that is basically a clone of
AutoCAD, even including the command line. It has better support for
opening different DWG versions back to the ones from the early 90's, and
can open and save in all those different DWG formats.

It is no "open", but at this time, still free.

In pjp
wrote:

Isn't stopping IE as well as XP security updates kinda like extortion
and/or blackmail on MS's part?

How so?

How far back do most consumer software vendors provide free support?

--
St. Paul, MN

In article ,
says...

In pjp
wrote:

Isn't stopping IE as well as XP security updates kinda like extortion
and/or blackmail on MS's part?

How so?

How far back do most consumer software vendors provide free support?

Until the product is bug free as that's the impression they give you
when they sold it to you.

My own opinion is that once they stop supporting a product by law they
must make public ALL the source code and support files so that at the
least someone else can do what they want with it.

In the end it's my opinion that ALL knowledge is owned by ALL of us and
to allow such inital effort to simply be discarded is not in OUR best
interests even if it is for the inital few who created it. It becomes
knowledge lost to all that perhaps might just benefit us all.

pjp wrote:
In article ,
says...

In pjp
wrote:

Isn't stopping IE as well as XP security updates kinda like extortion
and/or blackmail on MS's part?

How so?

How far back do most consumer software vendors provide free support?

Until the product is bug free as that's the impression they give you
when they sold it to you.


Not quite. You agreed to the EULA upon use including its limited warranty.

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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps