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Old November 19th 17, 07:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Maurice Helwig[_2_]
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version
7 was now available.
Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be
better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install
of version 7 and the PE3 files too.

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Old November 19th 17, 08:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

On 19 Nov 2017, Maurice Helwig
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that
version 7 was now available.
Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would
it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a
fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too.


Have you checked with the Macrium web site? If it's necessary to
uninstall the old version, I expect that Macrium would state that very
clearly in order to avoid having to deal with customer problems.
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Old November 19th 17, 08:25 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

Maurice Helwig wrote:

I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version
7 was now available.
Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be
better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install
of version 7 and the PE3 files too.


What about backup jobs that you've defined within Reflect, especially if
you scheduled them to run? I would expect an uninstall to wipe all job
definitions and scheduled events in Task Manager.

I am using Macrium Reflect Free 6.3.1835 but have not gotten a
notification about an upgrade to version 7. Then I remembered that I
have it configured to check once a month as I don't need to be bothered
with software updates for software that is already working. When I run
a manual update check (Other Tasks - Check for updates), I am only
offered an update to 6.3.1849 (that only has a couple of security
updates), not to version 7.

Last time I looked at version 7 (where I would download it and perform a
manual upgrade from 6 to 7), there wasn't anything of real interest to
me. The rootkit feature to intercept file I/O calls to the backup files
to protect them from ransomware is available ONLY in the payware
version. Virtualization of backup images is only usable if you load
them in a VM (virtual machine), like MS Hypervisor. Don't need
compatibility with Windows 10's Task Scheduler since, as per this
newsgroup, I'm still back on Windows 7 for my home PC. Don't care that
licensing of the free version is now expanded to commercial use since
I'm only using this software on my home PC. So what would version 7
give me, or you?
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Old November 19th 17, 08:25 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Maurice Helwig[_2_]
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

On 19/11/2017 5:01 PM, Nil wrote:
On 19 Nov 2017, Maurice Helwig
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that
version 7 was now available.
Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would
it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a
fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too.


Have you checked with the Macrium web site? If it's necessary to
uninstall the old version, I expect that Macrium would state that very
clearly in order to avoid having to deal with customer problems.


No I have not but I will do so. Thanks for the tip


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Old November 19th 17, 08:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Maurice Helwig[_2_]
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

On 19/11/2017 5:25 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Maurice Helwig wrote:

I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version
7 was now available.
Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be
better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install
of version 7 and the PE3 files too.


What about backup jobs that you've defined within Reflect, especially if
you scheduled them to run? I would expect an uninstall to wipe all job
definitions and scheduled events in Task Manager.

I am using Macrium Reflect Free 6.3.1835 but have not gotten a
notification about an upgrade to version 7. Then I remembered that I
have it configured to check once a month as I don't need to be bothered
with software updates for software that is already working. When I run
a manual update check (Other Tasks - Check for updates), I am only
offered an update to 6.3.1849 (that only has a couple of security
updates), not to version 7.

Last time I looked at version 7 (where I would download it and perform a
manual upgrade from 6 to 7), there wasn't anything of real interest to
me. The rootkit feature to intercept file I/O calls to the backup files
to protect them from ransomware is available ONLY in the payware
version. Virtualization of backup images is only usable if you load
them in a VM (virtual machine), like MS Hypervisor. Don't need
compatibility with Windows 10's Task Scheduler since, as per this
newsgroup, I'm still back on Windows 7 for my home PC. Don't care that
licensing of the free version is now expanded to commercial use since
I'm only using this software on my home PC. So what would version 7
give me, or you?

Thanks, I will tread carefully here I think, as I have version 6 working
well here so no hurry.
I do not use back up jobs. I simply do a full back up of my "C" drive as
needed and store them on a backup caddy for safe keeping.

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Old November 19th 17, 11:45 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

Maurice Helwig wrote:
On 19/11/2017 5:25 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Maurice Helwig wrote:

I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version
7 was now available.
Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be
better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install
of version 7 and the PE3 files too.


What about backup jobs that you've defined within Reflect, especially if
you scheduled them to run? I would expect an uninstall to wipe all job
definitions and scheduled events in Task Manager.

I am using Macrium Reflect Free 6.3.1835 but have not gotten a
notification about an upgrade to version 7. Then I remembered that I
have it configured to check once a month as I don't need to be bothered
with software updates for software that is already working. When I run
a manual update check (Other Tasks - Check for updates), I am only
offered an update to 6.3.1849 (that only has a couple of security
updates), not to version 7.

Last time I looked at version 7 (where I would download it and perform a
manual upgrade from 6 to 7), there wasn't anything of real interest to
me. The rootkit feature to intercept file I/O calls to the backup files
to protect them from ransomware is available ONLY in the payware
version. Virtualization of backup images is only usable if you load
them in a VM (virtual machine), like MS Hypervisor. Don't need
compatibility with Windows 10's Task Scheduler since, as per this
newsgroup, I'm still back on Windows 7 for my home PC. Don't care that
licensing of the free version is now expanded to commercial use since
I'm only using this software on my home PC. So what would version 7
give me, or you?

Thanks, I will tread carefully here I think, as I have version 6 working
well here so no hurry.
I do not use back up jobs. I simply do a full back up of my "C" drive as
needed and store them on a backup caddy for safe keeping.


The word on the street is that "Version 7 is faster".
("Faster than what".)

Don't forget to wind your stopwatch before
you test and verify that :-) I don't have a
plan at the moment, to test for that.

The Macrium "new" version understands all the metadata
from the old versions (a "new" Macrium has always restored
any old files I feed it). I think they put a decent effort into
their migration from major release to next major release.
If it weren't so, there's be a big red warning where
you download it.

In terms of planning, their team is pretty good. They might not
have the industries "best" GUI, but they make up for it
by not corrupting anything. I'll take that any day.

Paul
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Old November 19th 17, 09:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

Paul wrote:

The word on the street is that "Version 7 is faster".
("Faster than what".)


Might be true but the free version is always throttled. So the payware
versions might be noticeably faster but the the free version will get
little enhanced, if at all. The speedup may not even be present in the
Home and Workstation versions and only in the Server [Plus] versions.
There are features in the payware versions to help speedup the softwa
incremental images, rapid delta cloning, synthetic backups, and whatever
is meant by "server class OS backup and restore".

From the online manual for v7:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...ormance+dialog

So using direct disk writes might be the perceived performance boost.
However, since I schedule daily backups (relying on a user to backup
when appropriate means it doesn't get done or so irregularly that the
images are actually for disaster recovery instead of data recovery), any
performance boost wouldn't be noticed. I'm not there waiting for the
job to complete.

Macrium has already slid in the v7 knowledgebase at their base URL.
Took some searching to find the old v7 knowledgebase at:

https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...+v6+User+Guide

When I search there on "disk write", nothing found. What I did find
was:

https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...ormance+issues

It mentions a tuning option in v6 called "Enable file write caching."
That would be the slower write method using file I/O API calls to the OS
to write the image files. The dialog show is found under the Other
Tasks - Edit Defaults menu. Under the Advanced category is the "file
cache" option. It is disabled in my setup. I doubt that I changed it
so direct writes is the default method.

Although the v6 knowledgebase doesn't have a FAQ article about direct
disk writes and the v7 knowledgebase does, direct writes were the
default method in v6, too. Backup programs are I/O bound so perhaps the
performance boost was noticed by users that had already changed out to a
faster HDD or went to an SSD or improved their network speed for the
destination of the image file. For Macrium Reflect to become CPU bound
would require extremely fast target media along with slow CPUs. Even
the compression and encryption queues (threads) are almost always
waiting for delivery of data.

Another factor that will speedup backup jobs is disabling the anti-virus
program from scanning the target path where the image files are being
written. Some AVs keep scanning as more data is written to the image
file while some cease scanning after awhile, like after 100 MB has been
written into the file. Some users have noticed excluding the target
path for image files will reduce the time to write them. So changes in
AV software or switching to different AV programs can effect a
performance gain or loss.

From the typical reports you get from users claiming performance
changes, it's nearly impossible to determine the cause. Don't even know
on which OS the user reporting "v7 is faster". For example, if Windows
XP, Reflect might fail to read the VSS snapshot which was fixed in v7.
One bug fix in v7 is extremely vague: "Very slow backups - Some
customers have experienced reported transfer rates of low mb/s or kb/s
during disk Image backups. This has been resolved." Image verify was
also sped up but the user would have to enable that option in their
backup jobs. Also see:

https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...+16th+Mar+2017

Could be the users noticing a performance boost were storing their
images to a target drive that is much slower than the source drive. I
backup from an SSD to an HDD (and later clone to a USB HDD). So the
target drive is definitely much slower and a bottleneck compared to the
source drive. This article refers to the direct disk write option noted
in the first article. Yet the "file cache" option in V6 seems to be for
the same purpose. All v7 did was change how the direct disk write
option is presented to the user. v7 has an auto-check function where in
v6 the user had to ensure the "file caching" option was disabled (which,
I thought, was the default).
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Old November 20th 17, 05:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

In message , FredW
writes:
[]
There is a new version 6.3.1849 - 10th November 2017
Release notes:
http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...ls6.3.1849.htm

Download of latest version 6 is only possible via the V6 downloader.

[]
All other Macrium Reflect downloaders are for latest V7.

[]
I see no advantages upgrading to version 7.

Since you have (I think) put some effort into finding a downloader for
the latest/last V6, I am wondering: do you see any _dis_advantage to
using V7, at least for the free version?

(Just asking out of curiosity; I have V5 on a couple of mini-CDs [32-bit
and 64-bit], and they serve my requirements adequately, but at the
moment, I'm assuming that if I needed to replace them - I broke or lost
the CDs and couldn't find where I'd saved the software to recreate them,
say - that I'd just download the latest free. So if there's any reason
_not_ to go for the latest, I'm interested.)
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Old November 20th 17, 08:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Maurice Helwig[_2_]
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Default Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation

On 20/11/2017 11:03 PM, FredW wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:44:36 +1000, Maurice Helwig
wrote:

I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version
7 was now available.
Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be
better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install
of version 7 and the PE3 files too.



There is a new version 6.3.1849 - 10th November 2017
Release notes:
http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...ls6.3.1849.htm

Download of latest version 6 is only possible via the V6 downloader.
Direct (!) link for the V6 downloader (6.0.553):
http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v6/ReflectDLv6.exe
(n.b. clicking on the link starts the download)

All other Macrium Reflect downloaders are for latest V7.

New in Version 7:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...w+in+Version+7
Release notes latest V7:
http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...ls7.1.2697.htm


For my Win7HP64SP2 I use version 6.3.1835
and I will update to version 6.3.1849.
I see no advantages upgrading to version 7.

Thanks for the Link

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