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Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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I have an old IBM ThinkPad T23 laptop that I use every day. I normally keep it on for hours. Therefore I use the AC adapter all the time. It has WinXP Home Edition SP2. Unfortunately, if I click on the "Turn Off Computer" at "Start" button, the pop-up window allows me only 3 of 4 options: "Stand By" is NOT enabled!!! "Turn Off" "Restart" "Cancel" Note: My Gateway desktop computer's "Stand By" is enabled (same WinXP version). How can I enable "Stand By" on my ThinkPad T23? Thank You in advance, John |
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Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:30:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Paul writes: [] if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny, and should have been put on the OS installer disc. ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oem...cpi/dumppo.exe It timed out three times for me. (Two different browsers.) [] And an alternative download location. http://web.archive.org/web/200503082...myjc.net/downl oad/dumppo.exe That one worked, thanks. [] DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3 Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether Takes a few seconds, i. e. is not "instant". an override is even necessary. As it could be that something else is broken (hardware-wise). Paul John Hi, I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) : "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too. Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP? Thank You in advance, John |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:30:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Paul writes: [] if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny, and should have been put on the OS installer disc. ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oem...cpi/dumppo.exe It timed out three times for me. (Two different browsers.) [] And an alternative download location. http://web.archive.org/web/200503082...myjc.net/downl oad/dumppo.exe That one worked, thanks. [] DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3 Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether Takes a few seconds, i. e. is not "instant". an override is even necessary. As it could be that something else is broken (hardware-wise). Paul John Hi, I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) : "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too. Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP? Thank You in advance, John Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com FTP server work again. Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the current capabilities ? When I type dumppo it answers dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc See if the bellamy version gives those options. Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because there is no other tool... Paul |
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Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) : "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too. Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP? Thank You in advance, John Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com FTP server work again. Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the current capabilities ? When I type dumppo it answers dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc See if the bellamy version gives those options. Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because there is no other tool... Paul Hi Paul, The "answer" is exactly as you described above, "dumppo: cap ps bs...." The file size is 13,584. Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but I also checked BIOS settings (at bootup) incase there was something there that is preventing "Standby", but the closest setting I found was a "Suspend" timer which was "Enabled" after 20 minutes (adjustable). John |
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Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop
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SNIP I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) : "dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too. Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP? Thank You in advance, John Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com FTP server work again. Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the current capabilities ? When I type dumppo it answers dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc See if the bellamy version gives those options. Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because there is no other tool... Paul Hi Paul, The "answer" is exactly as you described above, "dumppo: cap ps bs...." The file size is 13,584. Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but I also checked BIOS settings (at bootup) incase there was something there that is preventing "Standby", but the closest setting I found was a "Suspend" timer which was "Enabled" after 20 minutes (adjustable). John The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes. 1) List the currently supported ACPI states 2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations have been corrected. It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem is still present. Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager, look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC". When the word ACPI is missing, it means ACPI isn't present at all. You would probably lose both Sleep and Hibernate. The OS might then revert to APM (the older standard), and you would see "It is safe to turn off this computer" in a 640x480 window just after shutdown. The computer doesn't even know about the "power button" and cannot "press" it's own power button in that case. What's under computer is called the HAL (Hardware Abstration Layer), and certain HAL transitions are hard to fix. Getting ACPI back is a re-install (repair install). When the BIOS supports ACPI, the BIOS passes ACPI tables to the OS, the OS installer can install an ACPI subsystem. The word "ACPI" will be present for the entry in Computer. In that subsystem, are standby, sleep, hibernate. Sometimes, one of the "smaller" BIOS settings, disables sleep support. The OS takes that to heart, and mimics what it sees. It *removes* sleep support. And, it's in no rush to put it back either. It's a trap door behavior. For example, your CMOS battery could die one day, and an errant setting could "tip over" your Sleep in WinXP, requiring dumppo. The "dumppo" program is like a hint. It's saying to the OS "why don't you try sleep again". If the setting takes and the OS doesn't disable sleep again, then the dumppo listing capability should then show that sleep support is back. So the first step, is to try to get dumppo to list the currently supported states. https://s7.postimg.org/f1tp6fyaz/dumppo.gif In the more detailed output, I have S1 S3 S4 S5 There is no S2. S1 = Standby (monitor goes blank) S3 = Sleep S4 = Hibernate S5 = Soft Off HTH, Paul |
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The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes. 1) List the currently supported ACPI states 2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations have been corrected. It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem is still present. Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager, look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC". Hi Paul, It DOES show "ACPI....." under "Computer" via "Device Manager". BTW, I forgot to mention that the FN & F4/Sleep keys combo does NOT work with WinXP, but DOES (put to "sleep") with Win98. Here is the results of using command, "dumppo admin cap": Admin policy overrides Min sleep state......: S3 Max sleep state......: S4 - hibernate Min video timeout....: 0 Max video timeout....: -1 Min spindown timeout.: 0 Max spindown timeout.: -1 power capabilities System power capabilities Power Button Present....: TRUE Sleep Button Present....: TRUE Lid Present.............: TRUE System states supported.: S5 Hiber file reserved.....: FALSE Thermal control.........: TRUE CPU Throttle control....: TRUE Processor min throttle..: 64 Processor trottle scale.: 100 (1%) Some disk will spindown.: TRUE System batteries present: TRUE System batteries scale..: (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) Ac on line wake ability.: Unspecified Lid wake ability........: Unspecified RTC wake ability........: S4 - hibernate Min device wake.........: Unspecified Default low latency wake: Unspecified LEGACY DRIVER DETECTED VgaSave Again, Thanks, John When the word ACPI is missing, it means ACPI isn't present at all. You would probably lose both Sleep and Hibernate. The OS might then revert to APM (the older standard), and you would see "It is safe to turn off this computer" in a 640x480 window just after shutdown. The computer doesn't even know about the "power button" and cannot "press" it's own power button in that case. What's under computer is called the HAL (Hardware Abstration Layer), and certain HAL transitions are hard to fix. Getting ACPI back is a re-install (repair install). When the BIOS supports ACPI, the BIOS passes ACPI tables to the OS, the OS installer can install an ACPI subsystem. The word "ACPI" will be present for the entry in Computer. In that subsystem, are standby, sleep, hibernate. Sometimes, one of the "smaller" BIOS settings, disables sleep support. The OS takes that to heart, and mimics what it sees. It *removes* sleep support. And, it's in no rush to put it back either. It's a trap door behavior. For example, your CMOS battery could die one day, and an errant setting could "tip over" your Sleep in WinXP, requiring dumppo. The "dumppo" program is like a hint. It's saying to the OS "why don't you try sleep again". If the setting takes and the OS doesn't disable sleep again, then the dumppo listing capability should then show that sleep support is back. So the first step, is to try to get dumppo to list the currently supported states. https://s7.postimg.org/f1tp6fyaz/dumppo.gif In the more detailed output, I have S1 S3 S4 S5 There is no S2. S1 = Standby (monitor goes blank) S3 = Sleep S4 = Hibernate S5 = Soft Off HTH, Paul |
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I think that means something related to video, is blocking the states. The system states supported is in pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4. A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install their video driver. You might take a look in Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on. Hi Paul, There is a yellow (Device Manager) for "Other devices", "Video Controller". The "Device Status": "The drivers for this device are not installed (Code 28). This T23 laptop was given to me years ago. I will see if I have the driver for this and give that a try. I will let you (et al) know the results after (if) I find the video driver. Thank You again, John There are two kinds of video drivers. The VESA driver is for when the OS has no proprietary video card driver installed. The ATI/Nvidia/Intel driver is the real, full-featured driver, which enables hardware acceleration. For the display adapter listed in Device Manager, you want to see whether the text string is "branded" or not, with a proprietary string. It's possible, once you resolve the driver issue, that you won't even need dumppo. But time will tell. I think you're the first person I've run into, with things blocked on a driver. The possibility was mentioned on the Bellamy site, but I'd never seen it "in the wild". ******* I learned a valuable lesson about computer hygiene and video cards, a long time ago. I used to rip out and install different video cards, with hardly a care in the world. At one point, the computer had ATI, NVidia, and Matrox drivers of some description. I never bothered to remove the drivers. The proper way to handle video is: 1) Go to Add/Remove and uninstall the current video driver. 2) Shut down, power off (unplug), install new video card. 3) System comes up and uses VESA driver initially. That Microsoft VESA driver ensures you can see the screen. It's basically just making a dumb frame buffer. 4) User then installs the proper driver for the new brand of video card. Accelerated video returns to the system. If you do it that way, there are fewer chances of side effects. I got my OS in question, in such bad shape, I could no longer get DMA/DIME working and games weren't accelerated. I had to re-install, having learned that I should be more careful in future. No amount of "driver cleaners" would restore DMA/DIME. Obviously, you can have two different brands of video cards in a computer at the same time. There are likely to be some scenarios that are hard to resolve (like one driver that has "taken" to two different cards, when you really want some "newer" driver to only be used for one of the cards). I don't know all the answers to such complicated setups. I did run two FX5200 AGP cards for a test once, and that was enough "fun" with dual cards right there. The cards would switch roles (who drive left monitor and who drives right monitor), while the system was running :-) I took that apart after a couple days and returned to a single video card. Paul |
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I think that means something related to video, is blocking the states. The system states supported is in pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4. A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install their video driver. You might take a look in Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on. Hi Paul, There is a yellow (Device Manager) for "Other devices", "Video Controller". The "Device Status": "The drivers for this device are not installed (Code 28). This T23 laptop was given to me years ago. I will see if I have the driver for this and give that a try. I will let you (et al) know the results after (if) I find the video driver. Hi Paul, UPDATE: I found the display driver and installed it. By golly, I now have "Standby" !!! Many Thanks for your help, John |
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