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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version
7 was now available. Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
On 19 Nov 2017, Maurice Helwig
wrote in alt.windows7.general: I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version 7 was now available. Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too. Have you checked with the Macrium web site? If it's necessary to uninstall the old version, I expect that Macrium would state that very clearly in order to avoid having to deal with customer problems. |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
Maurice Helwig wrote:
I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version 7 was now available. Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too. What about backup jobs that you've defined within Reflect, especially if you scheduled them to run? I would expect an uninstall to wipe all job definitions and scheduled events in Task Manager. I am using Macrium Reflect Free 6.3.1835 but have not gotten a notification about an upgrade to version 7. Then I remembered that I have it configured to check once a month as I don't need to be bothered with software updates for software that is already working. When I run a manual update check (Other Tasks - Check for updates), I am only offered an update to 6.3.1849 (that only has a couple of security updates), not to version 7. Last time I looked at version 7 (where I would download it and perform a manual upgrade from 6 to 7), there wasn't anything of real interest to me. The rootkit feature to intercept file I/O calls to the backup files to protect them from ransomware is available ONLY in the payware version. Virtualization of backup images is only usable if you load them in a VM (virtual machine), like MS Hypervisor. Don't need compatibility with Windows 10's Task Scheduler since, as per this newsgroup, I'm still back on Windows 7 for my home PC. Don't care that licensing of the free version is now expanded to commercial use since I'm only using this software on my home PC. So what would version 7 give me, or you? |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
On 19/11/2017 5:01 PM, Nil wrote:
On 19 Nov 2017, Maurice Helwig wrote in alt.windows7.general: I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version 7 was now available. Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too. Have you checked with the Macrium web site? If it's necessary to uninstall the old version, I expect that Macrium would state that very clearly in order to avoid having to deal with customer problems. No I have not but I will do so. Thanks for the tip -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
On 19/11/2017 5:25 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Maurice Helwig wrote: I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version 7 was now available. Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too. What about backup jobs that you've defined within Reflect, especially if you scheduled them to run? I would expect an uninstall to wipe all job definitions and scheduled events in Task Manager. I am using Macrium Reflect Free 6.3.1835 but have not gotten a notification about an upgrade to version 7. Then I remembered that I have it configured to check once a month as I don't need to be bothered with software updates for software that is already working. When I run a manual update check (Other Tasks - Check for updates), I am only offered an update to 6.3.1849 (that only has a couple of security updates), not to version 7. Last time I looked at version 7 (where I would download it and perform a manual upgrade from 6 to 7), there wasn't anything of real interest to me. The rootkit feature to intercept file I/O calls to the backup files to protect them from ransomware is available ONLY in the payware version. Virtualization of backup images is only usable if you load them in a VM (virtual machine), like MS Hypervisor. Don't need compatibility with Windows 10's Task Scheduler since, as per this newsgroup, I'm still back on Windows 7 for my home PC. Don't care that licensing of the free version is now expanded to commercial use since I'm only using this software on my home PC. So what would version 7 give me, or you? Thanks, I will tread carefully here I think, as I have version 6 working well here so no hurry. I do not use back up jobs. I simply do a full back up of my "C" drive as needed and store them on a backup caddy for safe keeping. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
Maurice Helwig wrote:
On 19/11/2017 5:25 PM, VanguardLH wrote: Maurice Helwig wrote: I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version 7 was now available. Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too. What about backup jobs that you've defined within Reflect, especially if you scheduled them to run? I would expect an uninstall to wipe all job definitions and scheduled events in Task Manager. I am using Macrium Reflect Free 6.3.1835 but have not gotten a notification about an upgrade to version 7. Then I remembered that I have it configured to check once a month as I don't need to be bothered with software updates for software that is already working. When I run a manual update check (Other Tasks - Check for updates), I am only offered an update to 6.3.1849 (that only has a couple of security updates), not to version 7. Last time I looked at version 7 (where I would download it and perform a manual upgrade from 6 to 7), there wasn't anything of real interest to me. The rootkit feature to intercept file I/O calls to the backup files to protect them from ransomware is available ONLY in the payware version. Virtualization of backup images is only usable if you load them in a VM (virtual machine), like MS Hypervisor. Don't need compatibility with Windows 10's Task Scheduler since, as per this newsgroup, I'm still back on Windows 7 for my home PC. Don't care that licensing of the free version is now expanded to commercial use since I'm only using this software on my home PC. So what would version 7 give me, or you? Thanks, I will tread carefully here I think, as I have version 6 working well here so no hurry. I do not use back up jobs. I simply do a full back up of my "C" drive as needed and store them on a backup caddy for safe keeping. The word on the street is that "Version 7 is faster". ("Faster than what".) Don't forget to wind your stopwatch before you test and verify that :-) I don't have a plan at the moment, to test for that. The Macrium "new" version understands all the metadata from the old versions (a "new" Macrium has always restored any old files I feed it). I think they put a decent effort into their migration from major release to next major release. If it weren't so, there's be a big red warning where you download it. In terms of planning, their team is pretty good. They might not have the industries "best" GUI, but they make up for it by not corrupting anything. I'll take that any day. Paul |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
Paul wrote:
The word on the street is that "Version 7 is faster". ("Faster than what".) Might be true but the free version is always throttled. So the payware versions might be noticeably faster but the the free version will get little enhanced, if at all. The speedup may not even be present in the Home and Workstation versions and only in the Server [Plus] versions. There are features in the payware versions to help speedup the softwa incremental images, rapid delta cloning, synthetic backups, and whatever is meant by "server class OS backup and restore". From the online manual for v7: https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...ormance+dialog So using direct disk writes might be the perceived performance boost. However, since I schedule daily backups (relying on a user to backup when appropriate means it doesn't get done or so irregularly that the images are actually for disaster recovery instead of data recovery), any performance boost wouldn't be noticed. I'm not there waiting for the job to complete. Macrium has already slid in the v7 knowledgebase at their base URL. Took some searching to find the old v7 knowledgebase at: https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...+v6+User+Guide When I search there on "disk write", nothing found. What I did find was: https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...ormance+issues It mentions a tuning option in v6 called "Enable file write caching." That would be the slower write method using file I/O API calls to the OS to write the image files. The dialog show is found under the Other Tasks - Edit Defaults menu. Under the Advanced category is the "file cache" option. It is disabled in my setup. I doubt that I changed it so direct writes is the default method. Although the v6 knowledgebase doesn't have a FAQ article about direct disk writes and the v7 knowledgebase does, direct writes were the default method in v6, too. Backup programs are I/O bound so perhaps the performance boost was noticed by users that had already changed out to a faster HDD or went to an SSD or improved their network speed for the destination of the image file. For Macrium Reflect to become CPU bound would require extremely fast target media along with slow CPUs. Even the compression and encryption queues (threads) are almost always waiting for delivery of data. Another factor that will speedup backup jobs is disabling the anti-virus program from scanning the target path where the image files are being written. Some AVs keep scanning as more data is written to the image file while some cease scanning after awhile, like after 100 MB has been written into the file. Some users have noticed excluding the target path for image files will reduce the time to write them. So changes in AV software or switching to different AV programs can effect a performance gain or loss. From the typical reports you get from users claiming performance changes, it's nearly impossible to determine the cause. Don't even know on which OS the user reporting "v7 is faster". For example, if Windows XP, Reflect might fail to read the VSS snapshot which was fixed in v7. One bug fix in v7 is extremely vague: "Very slow backups - Some customers have experienced reported transfer rates of low mb/s or kb/s during disk Image backups. This has been resolved." Image verify was also sped up but the user would have to enable that option in their backup jobs. Also see: https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...+16th+Mar+2017 Could be the users noticing a performance boost were storing their images to a target drive that is much slower than the source drive. I backup from an SSD to an HDD (and later clone to a USB HDD). So the target drive is definitely much slower and a bottleneck compared to the source drive. This article refers to the direct disk write option noted in the first article. Yet the "file cache" option in V6 seems to be for the same purpose. All v7 did was change how the direct disk write option is presented to the user. v7 has an auto-check function where in v6 the user had to ensure the "file caching" option was disabled (which, I thought, was the default). |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
In message , FredW
writes: [] There is a new version 6.3.1849 - 10th November 2017 Release notes: http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...ls6.3.1849.htm Download of latest version 6 is only possible via the V6 downloader. [] All other Macrium Reflect downloaders are for latest V7. [] I see no advantages upgrading to version 7. Since you have (I think) put some effort into finding a downloader for the latest/last V6, I am wondering: do you see any _dis_advantage to using V7, at least for the free version? (Just asking out of curiosity; I have V5 on a couple of mini-CDs [32-bit and 64-bit], and they serve my requirements adequately, but at the moment, I'm assuming that if I needed to replace them - I broke or lost the CDs and couldn't find where I'd saved the software to recreate them, say - that I'd just download the latest free. So if there's any reason _not_ to go for the latest, I'm interested.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Ask not for whom the bell tolls; let the machine get it |
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Re Macrium Reflect version 7 -- Instalation
On 20/11/2017 11:03 PM, FredW wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:44:36 +1000, Maurice Helwig wrote: I have the free Version 6 installed and today it indicated that version 7 was now available. Can I download version 7 and install it over version 6, or would it be better to uninstall version 6 (and the PE3 files) an do a fresh install of version 7 and the PE3 files too. There is a new version 6.3.1849 - 10th November 2017 Release notes: http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...ls6.3.1849.htm Download of latest version 6 is only possible via the V6 downloader. Direct (!) link for the V6 downloader (6.0.553): http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v6/ReflectDLv6.exe (n.b. clicking on the link starts the download) All other Macrium Reflect downloaders are for latest V7. New in Version 7: https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/di...w+in+Version+7 Release notes latest V7: http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...ls7.1.2697.htm For my Win7HP64SP2 I use version 6.3.1835 and I will update to version 6.3.1849. I see no advantages upgrading to version 7. Thanks for the Link -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maurice Helwig ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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