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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
A little earlier, I wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On 20 Jun 2018 14:46:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: Chris wrote: [...] Notepad++ is always the right solution Notepad[++] is for WIMPs. Real Men (TM) use vi[m](1)! WIMP - Windows Interface with Mouse Pointer? Windows Interface Manipulation Program? :-) [In the off chance that you really don't know: Windows Icons Mice Pull-down menus. (For example https://www.google.com/search?&q=define+WIMP)] Oops! My bad for taking the first hit - from the Oxford Dictionaries - seriously. It looked bad when I wrote it, because in my memory it was not worded in such an illogical way. And, as nospam also mentioned, the correct meaning is indeed much more logical: Windows Icons Menus Pointer |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 19:21:25 -0400, Nil
wrote: On 20 Jun 2018, Ken Blake wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Although I agree with you, I also agree with Mayayana. It's way more that the vast majority of users of any text editor needs. I don't think that's what he's saying. He seems to be saying it's little or no more useful than Windows Notepad. Yes. My point was that to the vast majority of users of text editors, he's right. I think that's silly. |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
"Paul" wrote
| It won't take too much more than the 900MB file. | I didn't binary search to get an exact value. | All I know is, a file twice that size, was rejected | as "too much". Only you would want to edit a 1 GB file. It sounds extremely robust to me, opening 900+ MB and doing a find/replace so fast. That's the nice thing about MS products. They have their own private stock of API functions that they don't share with the riff raff. The XP Notepad window is of class "Edit", so I assume that means it's a nothing-special text window. Windows also has RichEdit, which is extremely fast and functional. N++ uses an OSS edit control called Scintilla. It seems to be something like a RichEdit built from scratch. Interestingly, the docs for Scintilla https://www.scintilla.org/ScintillaDoc.html say it includes all sorts of things, including an built-in auto-completion popup. But the N++ author hasn't bothered to fully implement it. If I enable auto-complete and type I in an html file I get a list of I words that's mostly nonsense: ID, IMG, IMGBURN, IRFANVIEW.... (I'm not kidding. That's actually what it gave me! Two HTML tags and a bunch of random words picked up on my system.) Then there's no auto-completion where it would make sense, for HTML attributes. Scintilla looks like a very interesting product. Like a RichEdit with extras. The author describes it as a limited superset of Edit and RichEdit. They've added things like semi-automatic color syntax highlighting and dropped some things they consider unncessary. I wonder how many well known editors are actually just Scintilla wrappers. |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
"Ken Blake" wrote
| Yes. My point was that to the vast majority of users of text editors, | he's right. | I'm curious what you use it for. You keep referring to the "majority of text editor users" who won't appreciate N++. Do you use it for some kind of programming code? If so then I'm curious why you've picked a general purpose editor and not something more specialized. If not then what are the small minority of text editor users doing that they need a specialized editor? |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:50:16 -0700, Franklin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:22:12 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: I'm curious what you (replying to Ken Blake)use it for. Occasionally for a batch file. I used to be a programmer, but it's been many years since I last wrote a program. And most programs I wrote were well before the PC days, Several years ago, when I started coding web pages in html, I started with notepad, but it's also been a long time since I created a web page. You keep referring to the "majority of text editor users" who won't appreciate N++. Do you use it for some kind of programming code? The majority of text editor users never write programs. Mostly they use a text editor just to write the occasional batch file, as I do. Oddly, there are even a fair number of people (people who don't need, or care about, formatting) who use notepad as a word processor, to do things like write letters. If so then I'm curious why you've picked a general purpose editor and not something more specialized. I actually have Notepad ++ installed here and occasionally use it instead of Notepad. But there's no real reason why I do that. For my slender purposes, they are effectively the same. If not then what are the small minority of text editor users doing that they need a specialized editor? Writing program code. Notepad++ is billed as a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that supports several languages. You (the generic you) can turn off all the programmer stuff and end up with a fairly decent text editor. For my use of a text editor, I need the capability to reformat paragraphs - lines to a specified column length. One would think that is a basic text editor function... missing from Notepad++. Well, you asked. :-) |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:50:16 -0700, Franklin wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:22:12 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: I'm curious what you (replying to Ken Blake)use it for. Occasionally for a batch file. I used to be a programmer, but it's been many years since I last wrote a program. And most programs I wrote were well before the PC days, Several years ago, when I started coding web pages in html, I started with notepad, but it's also been a long time since I created a web page. You keep referring to the "majority of text editor users" who won't appreciate N++. Do you use it for some kind of programming code? The majority of text editor users never write programs. Mostly they use a text editor just to write the occasional batch file, as I do. Oddly, there are even a fair number of people (people who don't need, or care about, formatting) who use notepad as a word processor, to do things like write letters. If so then I'm curious why you've picked a general purpose editor and not something more specialized. I actually have Notepad ++ installed here and occasionally use it instead of Notepad. But there's no real reason why I do that. For my slender purposes, they are effectively the same. If not then what are the small minority of text editor users doing that they need a specialized editor? Writing program code. Notepad++ is billed as a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that supports several languages. You (the generic you) can turn off all the programmer stuff and end up with a fairly decent text editor. For my use of a text editor, I need the capability to reformat paragraphs - lines to a specified column length. One would think that is a basic text editor function... missing from Notepad++. Well, you asked. :-) Yep, Notepad is useful for basic text editings. I use it too. If I need something more fancy or something doesn't work, then I use a better editor like Word, OpenOffice, Notepad++, etc. -- Quote of the Week: "At high tide the fish eat ants; at low tide the ants eat fish." --Thai Proverb Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Chris wrote: Frank Slootweg wrote: Chris wrote: [...] Notepad++ is always the right solution Notepad[++] is for WIMPs. Real Men (TM) use vi[m](1)! In other OSes I agree with you. In windows it just feels like a contortion. Yeah. For historical (hysterical?) reasons, I mostly use 'Command Prompt' windows and Cygwin (Linux-like) tools. In that environment, vi/vim is nice, if you're used to it. But I wouldn't recommend vi/vim to Windows users who are not used to it. So also this article is composed in vim and then posted with tin, a CUI newsreader. I still use tin too! I could never get into vi and vim. I use pico/nano. -- Quote of the Week: "At high tide the fish eat ants; at low tide the ants eat fish." --Thai Proverb Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
"Ken Blake" wrote
| Oddly, there are even a fair number of people (people who don't need, | or care about, formatting) who use notepad as a word processor, to do | things like write letters. | I actually do that. When I want to just write, like an essay or letter or webpage content, I start with Notepad. I also use it for large emails, writing in Notepad and then pasting to email. I rarely use a word processor, except for estimates and contracts that need to look official. It's just much bigger and more complex than what I need most of the time. | If not then what are the small | minority of text editor users doing that they need a specialized | editor? | | Writing program code. I'd be surprised. I used to know a Perl fan who liked Emacs, but I doubt there's much in the way of specialized functionality for Perl, so that makes sense. For most coding an IDE of some kind will provide much better functionality. There are even free options for most languages. |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
"Franklin" wrote
| For my use of a text editor, I need the capability to reformat | paragraphs - lines to a specified column length. One would think that | is a basic text editor function... missing from Notepad++. | That's an interesting point. I don't know of any super duper plain text editors. N++ has a lot of functions, at first glance, but it turns out most of them are silly things like "Move up current line". Converting case is useful once in awhile.... The only thing I see that I might really want as a unique function is fixing carriage returns, to do things like change a Linux text file to Windows format, with Chr(13) Chr(10) returns. But I have a drag-drop VBScript for that on my desktop, which is much easier than having to open things in an editor. |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
On 21 Jun 2018, Frank Slootweg wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Mayayana wrote: [...] No. The cultists go nuts. People don't just say they like N++ or command line. They get worked up about it. See Frank's post. I rest my case. He might be joking, partially. Rest assured that I was joking, fully! I thought it was obvious, but apparently not. I guess the twinkle in your eye doesn't come thorough in straight text. |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
On 21 Jun 2018, Frank Slootweg wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Yeah. For historical (hysterical?) reasons, I mostly use 'Command Prompt' windows and Cygwin (Linux-like) tools. In that environment, vi/vim is nice, if you're used to it. But I wouldn't recommend vi/vim to Windows users who are not used to it. VIM is the fastest text editor to use on my Windows systems. If I were to use it consisitently enough to remember more keystroke commands I'd use it more, but it's my first choice for for certain things that I remember how to do. I keep several text editors around. Each has its strengths and each gets used where most appropriate. One size does not fit all. Notepad++ gets the most use around here. That's obviously because I'm trying to prove myself to be mas macho. ;^) One of my other favorites is an obscure Win32 console editor called Aurora. It does things that no other editors can easily do. Unfortunately, the author abandoned it a long time ago, but I still use it often. It still works in Windows 10! |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
"Nil" wrote
| Notepad++ gets the most use around here. That's obviously because I'm | trying to prove myself to be mas macho. ;^) | I don't know if you were thinking of this, but your comment reminded me of a weird, old Laurie Anderson song. It was so offbeat as to be hilarious. http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/laurie+..._20081583.html "Que es mas macho -- lightbulb o schoolbus?" |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:50:16 -0700, Franklin wrote:
[snip] For my use of a text editor, I need the capability to reformat paragraphs - lines to a specified column length. One would think that is a basic text editor function... missing from Notepad++. Well, no, it is not. It is a word processor function. In fact, if such an reorganisation of some text happened to a text file of mine, I might well be rather irritated. When I have a natural language document to work with, I might well appreciate such a function. I definitely want the modes to be separated, as they were with early WordStar. Well, you asked. :-) Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
On 21 Jun 2018, "Mayayana" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: I don't know if you were thinking of this, but your comment reminded me of a weird, old Laurie Anderson song. It was so offbeat as to be hilarious. http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/laurie+..._20081583.html "Que es mas macho -- lightbulb o schoolbus?" Language is a virus, you know. |
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Reading an .ini file with Notepad using Windows 10
Franklin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:22:12 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: I'm curious what you (replying to Ken Blake)use it for. You keep referring to the "majority of text editor users" who won't appreciate N++. Do you use it for some kind of programming code? If so then I'm curious why you've picked a general purpose editor and not something more specialized. If not then what are the small minority of text editor users doing that they need a specialized editor? Notepad++ is billed as a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that supports several languages. You (the generic you) can turn off all the programmer stuff and end up with a fairly decent text editor. For my use of a text editor, I need the capability to reformat paragraphs - lines to a specified column length. One would think that is a basic text editor function... missing from Notepad++. You're confusing it with a word processor. Although text editors can function like word processors, that's not their main focus. Spell checking, formatting, styles and fonts are superfluous to text editors and the domain of WYSIWYG word processors or limited to markup languages like HTML or markdown or latex. Text editors are perfect for markup languages. Well, you asked. :-) |
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