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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
Using your car analogy, if you have a problem with your car under warranty,
no matter what component fails, you go to the car dealer, right? Not to the company that made the radio or the company that made the air conditioner, or the company that made the oil filter. Same with your computer. You have a problem with the computer, you go to Dell, Hp, Gateway, whoever made the computer. You don't go to the various companies that made the individual components. You can take your car or your computer anywhere you want to for repair, but if you want it done under warranty, you can only take it to certain places. And technical support? You go to the oem. I doubt you'd get anywhere by calling the company that produced your ignition switch and asking for technical support on how to rebuild it. As far as the computer company not telling you that your software is OEM, they also didn't tell you that your hard drive, sound card, motherboard, power supply, etc. are OEM parts. Everything in the machine is OEM. You need anything replaced, the warranty is by the oem, not the individual manufacturer of the parts. So let's say your monitor goes out, and you find out that it's made by Viewsonic and the same model has a 3-year warranty from Viewsonic. But yours has a different label on it, so yours has the standard one year warranty from the oem. Not three years (or five, on some models) if it was purchased retail. Got a SoundBlaster sound card in your OEM machine? There's a chance that the card, hardware-wise, was customized, and there's an even bigger chance that the software/drivers/utilities that you got is different than what comes with a similar retail card. And there's also a chance that if you upgrade your OS when a new one comes out, you'll need to get drivers from the oem, as the drivers from the sound card maker might not work. And will your oem support your upgrade with new drivers? It's up to them. Some do, some don't. On the other hand, there's a much better chance that the similar retail product will have upgraded drivers available. You might get lucky and find that the retail drivers work on your oem card, but it's not a sure thing. Here's something else you might want to know. There are a lot of oem parts (besides software) being sold on the internet at pretty good prices. For some reason, a lot of those are marked "Compaq spares." Especially hard drives. You know what the warranty on those is? Zero, zilch, nada. Maxtor/Seagate/WD/whoever won't replace it if it goes bad; they'll refer you to Compaq. Compaq won't replace it for you, as you didn't buy it from them, nor did it come with one of their systems. So if it dies in 2 months, you have no recourse. And back to your car analogy, with regards to the spare tire. There was a time when a spare tire was identical to the four on the car. When manufacturers starting using those limited-use tiny spares, they didn't make a big hoopla about it. You had to look in the trunk or ask about it, or they didn't say anything except that a spare was included. Sometimes, on some models, you could get a full-size spare as an option, if you asked for one. Used to be you could get a whole technical repair manual for the car. Those disappeared as well and instead you get a booklet that explains where the turn signals are, and how to buckle the seat belt. Much like manuals that used to come with software. At least with computers, the on-line help has gotten better. :-) "nevermore" wrote in message le.rogers.com... I hesitate to reply, feel a little squeamish about the inevitable abuse I feel I am inviting but here goes anyway. I am one of those people--the ones who bought from a huge vendor without prior research. I had no idea (until I started reading this newsgroup) what the heck an OEM was. I have no problem at all with the concept that I got what I paid for; however, it would have been nice to have been advised by my retailer either verbally or in writing, that I was not getting a "complete" OS and that I would have to go somewhere other than MS for support. That would have given me the option to say, no problem, let me pay you for a full copy whatever or would have let me try to negotiate for a full copy. Whatever. And yes, I know I can still go out and buy one. But that is after the fact and after I learned all about it. In my (stupid one of those people) opinion, to use a car analogy which everyone hates, everyone knows that you have to get a car serviced and seen to from time to time and that is just fine and no one expects you to be a mechanic when you buy a car. But the smelly stuff would hit the fan if you found out after you got the car home that you could only get it repaired by taking it to certain garages and you couldn't even talk to, say, Ford. And it didn't come with a spare tire. But hey, you paid a couple of hundred bucks less for it and you should have asked when you bought it. From where I am sitting, I can't ask what I don't know about and being one of those persons, I can't actually tell that I am paying less for it. Yes, believe it or not, you can compare whole systems from store to store quite easily but it is not obvious (to those people) that the price difference is because of the type of components vs. a lightweight OS. Or because they just have a great sale going on. Again, I have no problem with the buyer beware concept etcetera. But I think that there should be some requirement for full disclosure with respect to the operating system. As in "Comes with Windows XP OEM". I hope that if I had seen that I would have asked what is OEM? Maybe not-- I am one of those people g but at that point I could not have any complaint at all. "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message ... Jim The information is there to be read but is it in Plain English or whatever language you use? -- ~~~~~~ Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FCA Stourport, Worcs, England Enquire, plan and execute. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please tell the newsgroup how any suggested solution worked for you. http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... I bought a Microsoft Windows XP Pro (OEM) from New Egg. I also bought a motherboard and CPU...I am my own tech support. The OEM XP Pro was $128, the mobo and CPU was about $200. My XP CD says Microsoft on it and it is legal. Unless you have a Dell, installing a Dell branded OEM CD on another computer is not legal. The information is available, but people don't want to read. "D.Currie" wrote in message ... | The problem may also be that not everyone who sells OEM software has an OEM | agreement with MS. Somewhere I have a document that says what I'm supposed | to do for the end user, and that includes providing support. Among other | things. | | OTOH if a person buys OEM software independent of a system, he is probably | considered the system builder, and the seller is acting as a distributor | (albeit not one of MSs authorized distributors; another problem). As an OEM | with an agreement with MS, I get support from MS, but that individual who | buys one copy on the 'net doesn't get support as he's not in the program. | | Another thing is that some people don't know where the line is between | technical support and training. And they aren't clear where they should go | for support, so they look in all the wrong places and get frustrated. Many | people think the system builder should be responsible for everything that | goes into the computer, and are quite surprised when Dell or whoever won't | troubleshoot their printers or games or obscure software. | | "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message | ... | But is there "the rule that OEMs have to support the software" or is | that support if any comes from the OEM and not Microsoft. | The real fault may be that the customer is not informed why the OEM is | cheaper and what all the customer does and does not get. | Of course the idea "You get what you pay for" escapes many consumers | when they think they see a bargain and a not so informative | salesperson. | Microsoft may have a part in this as the packaging could be modified | to show it, however the package is not always seen by the consumer. | | -- | Jupiter Jones [MVP] | An easier way to read newsgroup messages: | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp | Please respond to newsgroup only for everyone's benefit. | | | "D.Currie" wrote in message | ... | Personally, I'd like to see some way to enforce the rule that OEMs | have to | support the software. Or maybe lose the ability to sell OEM. As a | small | system builder, my customers can come in and ask me questions | face-to-face, | and that's fine. Or they'll call. But I also get plenty of calls | from people | who have bought from the big guys, and they can't get an answer. | | Then there are the people who sell the oem software with trinkets, | and have | no intention or ability to answer questions. | | I don't mind answering customer's questions, and even the not-yet | customers -- I figure some day I will get their business. | | But it does irritate me that others shirk the responsibility to give | the | technical support they're supposed to. They aren't footing the cost | for | proper support, so they sell their stuff cheap, which is fine for | the | customer until they need help. And in the meantime, I'm providing | free tech | support in the hopes that I'll get work from that person in the | meantime. | | | | |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
"Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message s.com... "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... Ted; What does the EULA that was agreed to on that Dell CD say? It is a different EULA. curse mode off for now That's not the point! MS's EULA (or any software contract) is not a binding legal document written under laws of a criminal code, other than if one breaks the agreement, it could be a civil matter in a court of law. But to use the term "legal" (or illegal) cannot apply in this case since there is no actual written law where one can be arrested for using the same copy of Windows on two or more PCs. While I agree to the EULA, and personally will not use it on another PC, until MS and software writers get national legislators to amend the software copyright laws, applying opinions as legal code is pretty silly, IMHO! Until that happens, it is certain that agreeing to a contract (or EULA, etc), is solely on the conscious of the user, and how their morals are to making such agreements and how they in turn use the said software (if used on multiple hardware installations). curse mode on If Microsoft were to, for whatever cause, take you to court, I am sure they could prove in civil law that you did in fact break your agreement with them. |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
"Ted" wrote in message
... Who, what, where, how, why, when??? Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" (apologies to the Mickey Mouse Club) sorry, couldn't resist ;o) -- Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. ________________________________________ Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
"Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message = ... "Ted" wrote in message=20 ... =20 Who, what, where, how, why, when??? =20 Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" (apologies to the = Mickey=20 Mouse Club) =20 sorry, couldn't resist ;o) Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of an MS employee's = amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for being a gormless = ****, it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned descriptor! |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I could have had my
feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic misunderstanding totally destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) g -- Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. ________________________________________ Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message s.com... Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" (apologies to the Mickey Mouse Club) sorry, couldn't resist ;o) Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of an MS employee's amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for being a gormless ****, it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned descriptor! |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
Do you think Ted is 12 years old and just learned the c word
or 60 and is suffering from lack of the c? "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... | Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I could have had my | feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic misunderstanding totally | destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) g | | -- | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | ________________________________________ | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message | s.com... | | Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" (apologies to the | Mickey | Mouse Club) | | sorry, couldn't resist ;o) | | Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of an MS employee's | amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for being a gormless ****, | it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned descriptor! | |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
He/she is probably just suffering from lack-of-vocabulary-itis and/or the
delusion that swearing equates intelligence; diseases that are far too common nowadays ;o) -- Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. ________________________________________ Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... Do you think Ted is 12 years old and just learned the c word or 60 and is suffering from lack of the c? "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... | Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I could have had my | feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic misunderstanding totally | destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) g | | -- | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | ________________________________________ | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message | s.com... | | Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" (apologies to the | Mickey | Mouse Club) | | sorry, couldn't resist ;o) | | Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of an MS employee's | amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for being a gormless ****, | it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned descriptor! | |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
They do get boring. Andrew Dice Clay is very funny for a
few minutes each year, but once is enough. "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... | He/she is probably just suffering from lack-of-vocabulary-itis and/or the | delusion that swearing equates intelligence; diseases that are far too | common nowadays ;o) | | -- | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | ________________________________________ | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | Do you think Ted is 12 years old and just learned the c word | or 60 and is suffering from lack of the c? | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in | message ... | | Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I could | have had my | | feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic | misunderstanding totally | | destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) g | | | | -- | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | ________________________________________ | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | | | "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message | | s.com... | | | | Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" | (apologies to the | | Mickey | | Mouse Club) | | | | sorry, couldn't resist ;o) | | | | Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of an | MS employee's | | amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for being | a gormless ****, | | it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned | descriptor! | | | | |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
Have you seen this? It is quite appropriate.
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame50.html Personally, I've been likened many times to the example below, which is kind of cool, because I do have red hair and, apparently, the temper to match g http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame18.html -- Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. ________________________________________ Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... They do get boring. Andrew Dice Clay is very funny for a few minutes each year, but once is enough. "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... | He/she is probably just suffering from lack-of-vocabulary-itis and/or the | delusion that swearing equates intelligence; diseases that are far too | common nowadays ;o) | | -- | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | ________________________________________ | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | Do you think Ted is 12 years old and just learned the c word | or 60 and is suffering from lack of the c? | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in | message ... | | Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I could | have had my | | feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic | misunderstanding totally | | destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) g | | | | -- | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | ________________________________________ | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | | | "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message | | s.com... | | | | Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" | (apologies to the | | Mickey | | Mouse Club) | | | | sorry, couldn't resist ;o) | | | | Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of an | MS employee's | | amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for being | a gormless ****, | | it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned | descriptor! | | | | |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
I had never seen the site before, thanks for the link.
A local issue in Kansas right now is gambling, should it be allowed. The political issue is the chance for more government money balanced against public morals and organized crime interests. A local TV station has a poll, asking what type of gambling "you'd like to see?" So I called in my opinion, "strip poker." I don't mind rude, crude or even salacious, but calling everybody with whom you disagree a vulgar name gets very old very quickly. I've given up on the kill file because these people keep changing their names and spoofed addresses so they keep getting through. "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... | Have you seen this? It is quite appropriate. | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame50.html | | Personally, I've been likened many times to the example below, which is kind | of cool, because I do have red hair and, apparently, the temper to match g | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame18.html | | -- | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | ________________________________________ | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | They do get boring. Andrew Dice Clay is very funny for a | few minutes each year, but once is enough. | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in | message ... | | He/she is probably just suffering from | lack-of-vocabulary-itis and/or the | | delusion that swearing equates intelligence; diseases that | are far too | | common nowadays ;o) | | | | -- | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | ________________________________________ | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | "Jim Macklin" | wrote in message | | ... | | Do you think Ted is 12 years old and just learned the c | word | | or 60 and is suffering from lack of the c? | | | | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote | in | | message ... | | | Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I | could | | have had my | | | feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic | | misunderstanding totally | | | destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) | g | | | | | | -- | | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | | ________________________________________ | | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | | | | | | "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message | | | | s.com... | | | | | | Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" | | (apologies to the | | | Mickey | | | Mouse Club) | | | | | | sorry, couldn't resist ;o) | | | | | | Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of | an | | MS employee's | | | amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for | being | | a gormless ****, | | | it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned | | descriptor! | | | | | | | | | |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
We legalise gambling in the land of oz, mostly to control organised =
crime. I suggest your kansas pollies are lying.=20 Pro Remove criminal interest Govt get revenue rather than criminals Con Increased incidence of personal harm and the social consequences due to = increase in gambling There can be other points based on the type of gambling and regulations = applying. EG Casinos increase tourism, lotteries don't. You'd think you guys would remember your prohibition. Where I live = gamblng is reguated, brothels are regulated, and injecting is being = regulated.=20 Illegall activiies can't be regulated. By regulatng the govt get to = control and influence the activity and can shape the outcomes. The real questions should be, What regulations? From: "Jim Macklin" Subject: An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should = they exist Date: Sunday, 13 July 2003 8:27 PM I had never seen the site before, thanks for the link. A local issue in Kansas right now is gambling, should it be allowed. The political issue is the chance for more government money balanced against public morals and organized crime interests. A local TV station has a poll, asking what type of gambling "you'd like to see?" So I called in my opinion, "strip poker." I don't mind rude, crude or even salacious, but calling everybody with whom you disagree a vulgar name gets very old very quickly. I've given up on the kill file because these people keep changing their names and spoofed addresses so they keep getting through. --=20 http://www.g2mil.com/Apr2003.htm http://www.sharpword.com/fascism.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- David Candy http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros --------------------------------------------------------------- "Jim Macklin" wrote in message = ... I had never seen the site before, thanks for the link. =20 A local issue in Kansas right now is gambling, should it be allowed. The political issue is the chance for more government money balanced against public morals and organized crime interests. =20 A local TV station has a poll, asking what type of gambling "you'd like to see?" So I called in my opinion, "strip poker." =20 I don't mind rude, crude or even salacious, but calling everybody with whom you disagree a vulgar name gets very old very quickly. =20 I've given up on the kill file because these people keep changing their names and spoofed addresses so they keep getting through. =20 =20 "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... | Have you seen this? It is quite appropriate. | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame50.html | | Personally, I've been likened many times to the example below, which is kind | of cool, because I do have red hair and, apparently, the temper to match g | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame18.html | | --=20 | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | ________________________________________ | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | They do get boring. Andrew Dice Clay is very funny for a | few minutes each year, but once is enough. | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in | message ... | | He/she is probably just suffering from | lack-of-vocabulary-itis and/or the | | delusion that swearing equates intelligence; diseases that | are far too | | common nowadays ;o) | | | | --=20 | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | ________________________________________ | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | "Jim Macklin" | wrote in message | | ... | | Do you think Ted is 12 years old and just learned the c | word | | or 60 and is suffering from lack of the c? | | | | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote | in | | message ... | | | Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I | could | | have had my | | | feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic | | misunderstanding totally | | | destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) | g | | | | | | --=20 | | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | | ________________________________________ | | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | | | | | | "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message | | | | s.com... | | | | | | Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" | | (apologies to the | | | Mickey | | | Mouse Club) | | | | | | sorry, couldn't resist ;o) | | | | | | Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of | an | | MS employee's | | | amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for | being | | a gormless ****, | | | it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned | | descriptor! | | | | | | | | | =20 =20 |
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"Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message = ... Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I could have had my=20 feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic misunderstanding = totally=20 destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) g Oh boy!=20 So now we play "role association lamer", in a poor attempt to hide the = fact of my previous post about you! |
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Well at least you've cleaned up your language a bit. That's a step in the
right direction ROTFLMAO Now.... if only you will direct your mind to some relevant studies and improve the standard of your flames you'd really be getting somewhere ) -- Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. ________________________________________ Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message s.com... "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I could have had my feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic misunderstanding totally destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) g Oh boy! So now we play "role association lamer", in a poor attempt to hide the fact of my previous post about you! |
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"Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message = ... Well at least you've cleaned up your language a bit. That's a step in = the=20 right direction ROTFLMAO =20 Now.... if only you will direct your mind to some relevant studies and = improve the standard of your flames you'd really be getting somewhere = ) =20 I guess you fall under the "Resistence is futile" theme, as you come = back to "a" seemingly loving thing for you! Or, is it mental = masturbation gained here for you, due to the lack of battery power in = your vibrator? *waits for laming* |
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An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist
I got tossed of a jury when I suggested similar ideas about
20 years ago. Haven't been called back since. "David Candy" wrote in message ... We legalise gambling in the land of oz, mostly to control organised crime. I suggest your kansas pollies are lying. Pro Remove criminal interest Govt get revenue rather than criminals Con Increased incidence of personal harm and the social consequences due to increase in gambling There can be other points based on the type of gambling and regulations applying. EG Casinos increase tourism, lotteries don't. You'd think you guys would remember your prohibition. Where I live gamblng is reguated, brothels are regulated, and injecting is being regulated. Illegall activiies can't be regulated. By regulatng the govt get to control and influence the activity and can shape the outcomes. The real questions should be, What regulations? From: "Jim Macklin" Subject: An open letter to Microsoft's support personnel, should they exist Date: Sunday, 13 July 2003 8:27 PM I had never seen the site before, thanks for the link. A local issue in Kansas right now is gambling, should it be allowed. The political issue is the chance for more government money balanced against public morals and organized crime interests. A local TV station has a poll, asking what type of gambling "you'd like to see?" So I called in my opinion, "strip poker." I don't mind rude, crude or even salacious, but calling everybody with whom you disagree a vulgar name gets very old very quickly. I've given up on the kill file because these people keep changing their names and spoofed addresses so they keep getting through. -- http://www.g2mil.com/Apr2003.htm http://www.sharpword.com/fascism.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ --- David Candy http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros ------------------------------------------------------------ --- "Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... I had never seen the site before, thanks for the link. A local issue in Kansas right now is gambling, should it be allowed. The political issue is the chance for more government money balanced against public morals and organized crime interests. A local TV station has a poll, asking what type of gambling "you'd like to see?" So I called in my opinion, "strip poker." I don't mind rude, crude or even salacious, but calling everybody with whom you disagree a vulgar name gets very old very quickly. I've given up on the kill file because these people keep changing their names and spoofed addresses so they keep getting through. "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in message ... | Have you seen this? It is quite appropriate. | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame50.html | | Personally, I've been likened many times to the example below, which is kind | of cool, because I do have red hair and, apparently, the temper to match g | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame18.html | | -- | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | ________________________________________ | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | ... | They do get boring. Andrew Dice Clay is very funny for a | few minutes each year, but once is enough. | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote in | message ... | | He/she is probably just suffering from | lack-of-vocabulary-itis and/or the | | delusion that swearing equates intelligence; diseases that | are far too | | common nowadays ;o) | | | | -- | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | ________________________________________ | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | "Jim Macklin" | wrote in message | | ... | | Do you think Ted is 12 years old and just learned the c | word | | or 60 and is suffering from lack of the c? | | | | | | "Sandi - Microsoft MVP" wrote | in | | message ... | | | Boy - I sure am glad I'm *not* an MS employee or I | could | | have had my | | | feelings hurt (don't you just love it when a basic | | misunderstanding totally | | | destroys what could have been a perfectly good flame?) | g | | | | | | -- | | | Hyperlinks are used to ensure answers remain current. | | | ________________________________________ | | | Sandi Hardmeier - Microsoft MVP since 1999 | | | http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer | | | | | | | | | "Ted" """"""""""""""" wrote in message | | | | s.com... | | | | | | Actually, its "who, what, why, where, when and how" | | (apologies to the | | | Mickey | | | Mouse Club) | | | | | | sorry, couldn't resist ;o) | | | | | | Of course you couldn't resist, as this is a reflex of | an | | MS employee's | | | amoebic reaction instinct. IOWs, don't apologise for | being | | a gormless ****, | | | it is unbecoming, if even from the aforementioned | | descriptor! | | | | | | | | | |
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