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One license, one computer
I know this has been asked and answered many times, but
the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Thank you. |
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William B. Lurie wrote:
I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Short answer: Your assumption - given what you have - is incorrect. You can *not* transfer the Windows XP license from the old eMachine to any other machine and still be under the terms of the agreement for said license. More of an Answer: If the license you have with a computer is OEM (Windows XP) and not retail - then the license is permanently tied to the computer. Being that you said eMachine - chances are *very high* it is an OEM licensed copy of Windows XP. There is a *chance* you purchased your own retail copy (upgrade and/or retail boxed) of Windows XP - but if you had - I would have assumed it would have been in your initial story line. You said, "... it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachine ..." - which means - more than likely - it came with the eMachine, has a high percentage chance (99+%) of being OEM and is now, in your words, also defunct. If the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key is stored safely in another part of the world and the computer itself catches fire and is unrecoverable - you might as well throw out the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key that was stored safely elsewhere - because they were tied (via the EULA - End User License Agreement) to the machine that is now worthless. If you obtain a machine (like an eMachine) and it comes with Windows XP installed, sticker on the case or some other identification as an OEM license - and then you obtain another machine that either comes with no operating system, has a different operating system or you just want to rebuild with Windows XP - you *cannot* (in accordance with the EULA - End User License Agreement) use the OEM license from the first machine to do so. The OEM licensed version of Windows XP on the original machine is *tied permanently* (EULA again) to the original machine and cannot be transferred to another machine. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Shenan Stanley wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote: I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Short answer: Your assumption - given what you have - is incorrect. You can *not* transfer the Windows XP license from the old eMachine to any other machine and still be under the terms of the agreement for said license. More of an Answer: If the license you have with a computer is OEM (Windows XP) and not retail - then the license is permanently tied to the computer. Being that you said eMachine - chances are *very high* it is an OEM licensed copy of Windows XP. There is a *chance* you purchased your own retail copy (upgrade and/or retail boxed) of Windows XP - but if you had - I would have assumed it would have been in your initial story line. You said, "... it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachine ..." - which means - more than likely - it came with the eMachine, has a high percentage chance (99+%) of being OEM and is now, in your words, also defunct. If the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key is stored safely in another part of the world and the computer itself catches fire and is unrecoverable - you might as well throw out the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key that was stored safely elsewhere - because they were tied (via the EULA - End User License Agreement) to the machine that is now worthless. If you obtain a machine (like an eMachine) and it comes with Windows XP installed, sticker on the case or some other identification as an OEM license - and then you obtain another machine that either comes with no operating system, has a different operating system or you just want to rebuild with Windows XP - you *cannot* (in accordance with the EULA - End User License Agreement) use the OEM license from the first machine to do so. The OEM licensed version of Windows XP on the original machine is *tied permanently* (EULA again) to the original machine and cannot be transferred to another machine. Thank you for both the long and the short of it, S.S. You spelled it out very clearly. On the chance that it might 'play', I can use the practice and may try to work it out when and if I get the hardware. On the surface it might seem unfair that one buys hardware and software, the hardware develops a fault, and becomes useless, and the software is rendered unusable as a result. |
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"I know this has been asked and answered many times, but
the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer." NO. It is NOT legal to move an OEM licence from the original computer it was installed on. -- Mad Mike "William B. Lurie" wrote: Shenan Stanley wrote: William B. Lurie wrote: I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Short answer: Your assumption - given what you have - is incorrect. You can *not* transfer the Windows XP license from the old eMachine to any other machine and still be under the terms of the agreement for said license. More of an Answer: If the license you have with a computer is OEM (Windows XP) and not retail - then the license is permanently tied to the computer. Being that you said eMachine - chances are *very high* it is an OEM licensed copy of Windows XP. There is a *chance* you purchased your own retail copy (upgrade and/or retail boxed) of Windows XP - but if you had - I would have assumed it would have been in your initial story line. You said, "... it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachine ..." - which means - more than likely - it came with the eMachine, has a high percentage chance (99+%) of being OEM and is now, in your words, also defunct. If the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key is stored safely in another part of the world and the computer itself catches fire and is unrecoverable - you might as well throw out the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key that was stored safely elsewhere - because they were tied (via the EULA - End User License Agreement) to the machine that is now worthless. If you obtain a machine (like an eMachine) and it comes with Windows XP installed, sticker on the case or some other identification as an OEM license - and then you obtain another machine that either comes with no operating system, has a different operating system or you just want to rebuild with Windows XP - you *cannot* (in accordance with the EULA - End User License Agreement) use the OEM license from the first machine to do so. The OEM licensed version of Windows XP on the original machine is *tied permanently* (EULA again) to the original machine and cannot be transferred to another machine. Thank you for both the long and the short of it, S.S. You spelled it out very clearly. On the chance that it might 'play', I can use the practice and may try to work it out when and if I get the hardware. On the surface it might seem unfair that one buys hardware and software, the hardware develops a fault, and becomes useless, and the software is rendered unusable as a result. |
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"Mick Murphy" wrote in message ... "I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer." NO. It is NOT legal to move an OEM licence from the original computer it was installed on. -- Mad Mike "William B. Lurie" wrote: Shenan Stanley wrote: William B. Lurie wrote: I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Short answer: Your assumption - given what you have - is incorrect. You can *not* transfer the Windows XP license from the old eMachine to any other machine and still be under the terms of the agreement for said license. More of an Answer: If the license you have with a computer is OEM (Windows XP) and not retail - then the license is permanently tied to the computer. Being that you said eMachine - chances are *very high* it is an OEM licensed copy of Windows XP. There is a *chance* you purchased your own retail copy (upgrade and/or retail boxed) of Windows XP - but if you had - I would have assumed it would have been in your initial story line. You said, "... it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachine ..." - which means - more than likely - it came with the eMachine, has a high percentage chance (99+%) of being OEM and is now, in your words, also defunct. If the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key is stored safely in another part of the world and the computer itself catches fire and is unrecoverable - you might as well throw out the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key that was stored safely elsewhere - because they were tied (via the EULA - End User License Agreement) to the machine that is now worthless. If you obtain a machine (like an eMachine) and it comes with Windows XP installed, sticker on the case or some other identification as an OEM license - and then you obtain another machine that either comes with no operating system, has a different operating system or you just want to rebuild with Windows XP - you *cannot* (in accordance with the EULA - End User License Agreement) use the OEM license from the first machine to do so. The OEM licensed version of Windows XP on the original machine is *tied permanently* (EULA again) to the original machine and cannot be transferred to another machine. Thank you for both the long and the short of it, S.S. You spelled it out very clearly. On the chance that it might 'play', I can use the practice and may try to work it out when and if I get the hardware. On the surface it might seem unfair that one buys hardware and software, the hardware develops a fault, and becomes useless, and the software is rendered unusable as a result. No only that, moving an OEM installation to another computer might not be possible since many of them are BIOS linked. However, the OP conveniently forgot to notice that a computer with an OEM license is quite abit less expensive than those with regular ones. Jim |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:55:58 -0500, "William B. Lurie"
wrote: I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. No, you may not do this. OEM licenses come with several restrictions, and the most severe restriction is that they are permanently tied to the first computer they are installed on. They are not movable to another computer, as retail licenses are. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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http://groups.google.com/group/micro...758727d6d5f65f William B. Lurie wrote: Thank you for both the long and the short of it, S.S. You spelled it out very clearly. On the chance that it might 'play', I can use the practice and may try to work it out when and if I get the hardware. On the surface it might seem unfair that one buys hardware and software, the hardware develops a fault, and becomes useless, and the software is rendered unusable as a result. Chances are it would function fine as this is not (despite all the hooplah about "BIOS Locked") a technological issue. This is an issue centering around an agreement (the Windows XP EULA to be precise.) Even a BIOS lock can be gotten around either by clever manipulation of the CD (making a new one) and/or obtaining a generic version of the installation media. Unfortunately - by not doing research before-the-fact - many end-users find themselves in the situation you describe. The reseller/original equipment manufacturer chose to buy the licenses in bulk as OEM - lessening their price to 'pass the savings on to you'. What they don't usually offer up is the disadvantages of your savings - this being one of the larger ones surrounding Windows XP OEM licensing terms. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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William B. Lurie wrote:
I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Thank you. The plain language is right in the EULA to which you agreed to be bound, but here it is again, rephrased: By your own admission, you have an OEM license for WinXP from the defunct machine. An OEM version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or hard rive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
William B. Lurie wrote: I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Thank you. The plain language is right in the EULA to which you agreed to be bound, but here it is again, rephrased: By your own admission, you have an OEM license for WinXP from the defunct machine. An OEM version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or hard rive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances. Well, Bruce, if there was any doubt before, your rephrasing certainly set the matter straight, crystal clear. In truth, buying a new XP with license is cheap enough these days so that it would not be worth the hassle to try to do otherwise. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:11:52 -0500, Leythos
wrote: An OEM license dies with the first computer it's installed on. It doesn't matter if you destroy that computer, etc... the LICENSE remains with it and dies with it. That's correct. The only exception is when a motherboard dies and must be replaced to keep the "Computer" running. If a exact replacement motherboard is not available, a newer motherboard can be used and the license is still valid. Upgrades are not considered valid, only replacement of a FAULTY motherboard is permitted But that's not correct. The motherboard doesn't have to be faulty to replace it, and an exact replacement is not at all required. For a long time, it wasn't clear exactly what constituted the original computer, and many people felt that replacing the motherboard made it a different computer, and therefore invalidated the OEM license. However, Microsoft has clarified the situation. See http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...vationfaq.mspx or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5 which states "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:11:52 -0500, Leythos wrote: An OEM license dies with the first computer it's installed on. It doesn't matter if you destroy that computer, etc... the LICENSE remains with it and dies with it. That's correct. The only exception is when a motherboard dies and must be replaced to keep the "Computer" running. If a exact replacement motherboard is not available, a newer motherboard can be used and the license is still valid. Upgrades are not considered valid, only replacement of a FAULTY motherboard is permitted But that's not correct. The motherboard doesn't have to be faulty to replace it, and an exact replacement is not at all required. For a long time, it wasn't clear exactly what constituted the original computer, and many people felt that replacing the motherboard made it a different computer, and therefore invalidated the OEM license. However, Microsoft has clarified the situation. See http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...vationfaq.mspx or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5 which states "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. Let's refine the scenario a bit, Ken. On eBay there are a zillion "New, Windows XP Home , OEM Edition, with COA". Suppose I buy one of those and install it in my cousin's HP PC. I should then be able to register it, activate it, and it then becomes a 'til-death-do-us-part marriage partner of that computer. Is that entirely correct? |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:44:01 -0500, "William B. Lurie"
wrote: Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:11:52 -0500, Leythos wrote: An OEM license dies with the first computer it's installed on. It doesn't matter if you destroy that computer, etc... the LICENSE remains with it and dies with it. That's correct. The only exception is when a motherboard dies and must be replaced to keep the "Computer" running. If a exact replacement motherboard is not available, a newer motherboard can be used and the license is still valid. Upgrades are not considered valid, only replacement of a FAULTY motherboard is permitted But that's not correct. The motherboard doesn't have to be faulty to replace it, and an exact replacement is not at all required. For a long time, it wasn't clear exactly what constituted the original computer, and many people felt that replacing the motherboard made it a different computer, and therefore invalidated the OEM license. However, Microsoft has clarified the situation. See http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...vationfaq.mspx or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5 which states "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. Let's refine the scenario a bit, Ken. On eBay there are a zillion "New, Windows XP Home , OEM Edition, with COA". Suppose I buy one of those and install it in my cousin's HP PC. I should then be able to register it, activate it, and it then becomes a 'til-death-do-us-part marriage partner of that computer. Is that entirely correct? Yes, assuming that they really are "new" and haven't been used before. When you buy something on eBay, there are always risks that what you think you are getting isn't what you actually get. Your paragraph says the essentially the same thing as the one of Leythos's that I agreed with above. It was only his second paragraph that was incorrect. And one additional (and very minor) point. You say "I should then be able to register it, activate it." Be aware that activation is required, but registration isn't at all required. Registration does nothing for you and is just used by Microsoft for marketing purposes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Rebuilding a system using boxed retail bought W7 install disk
Hi - I upgraded my computer last November with a clean install of Windows 7 - I bought the install disk, boxed, from a well known PC shop. However, the hardware is struggling to run W7 suitably fast, (I did check compatibility with the MS tool) so I'm now thinking of replacing the motherbord, processor, ram and hard drive, possibly a new graphics card too, all in one go.
Given that I bought the W7 disk new, as a retail item, does this mean that I can do a fresh re-install of this W7 disk on this machine, which will to all intents, be a "new" machine apart from the case, DVD drive and maybe the PSU? Will I need to use the manual activation and call for a new activation code? Would I be granted one? IF the above is ok, the next question is about Dual Booting. I have retail clean install disk of XP from another PC I built which is no longer in use. I'd like to make my new PC a dual boot machine, so I would need to install XP first. Would I have to go through a manual activation process with XP first, as well? On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:55 PM William B. Lurie wrote: I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer. My present OEM computer came with its license, so I have no problem, myself. I bought this new machine 2 years ago to replace the eMachines PC that had so many intermittents on the motherboard that I was tired of massaging it. But it seems to me that I still own the license that applied to that computer. My cousin is giving up her old HP desktop computer (with Windows 98) because her daughter forced her to accept a new Apple laptop of some sort. I would like to take her old machine and adopt it as my own, and use my XP License and run XP on that machine. My OLD XP one- license-one-machine, only it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachines frame, now to run on a different machine. One license, the original machine destroyed, now to be used again, on one machine. It sounds legal to me, but I'd like advice in plain language, as to how I do it. Thank you. On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:37 PM Shenan Stanley wrote: William B. Lurie wrote: Short answer: Your assumption - given what you have - is incorrect. You can *not* transfer the Windows XP license from the old eMachine to any other machine and still be under the terms of the agreement for said license. More of an Answer: If the license you have with a computer is OEM (Windows XP) and not retail - then the license is permanently tied to the computer. Being that you said eMachine - chances are *very high* it is an OEM licensed copy of Windows XP. There is a *chance* you purchased your own retail copy (upgrade and/or retail boxed) of Windows XP - but if you had - I would have assumed it would have been in your initial story line. You said, "... it's that old license handed down from my defunct eMachine ..." - which means - more than likely - it came with the eMachine, has a high percentage chance (99+%) of being OEM and is now, in your words, also defunct. If the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key is stored safely in another part of the world and the computer itself catches fire and is unrecoverable - you might as well throw out the CD for installation of Windows XP OEM and the Product Key that was stored safely elsewhere - because they were tied (via the EULA - End User License Agreement) to the machine that is now worthless. If you obtain a machine (like an eMachine) and it comes with Windows XP installed, sticker on the case or some other identification as an OEM license - and then you obtain another machine that either comes with no operating system, has a different operating system or you just want to rebuild with Windows XP - you *cannot* (in accordance with the EULA - End User License Agreement) use the OEM license from the first machine to do so. The OEM licensed version of Windows XP on the original machine is *tied permanently* (EULA again) to the original machine and cannot be transferred to another machine. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:26 PM William B. Lurie wrote: Shenan Stanley wrote: Thank you for both the long and the short of it, S.S. You spelled it out very clearly. On the chance that it might 'play', I can use the practice and may try to work it out when and if I get the hardware. On the surface it might seem unfair that one buys hardware and software, the hardware develops a fault, and becomes useless, and the software is rendered unusable as a result. On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:59 PM MickMurph wrote: "I know this has been asked and answered many times, but the links are so wordy and explicit that it would be nice to get a simple answer." NO. It is NOT legal to move an OEM licence from the original computer it was installed on. -- Mad Mike "William B. Lurie" wrote: On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:13 PM Jim wrote: "Mick Murphy" wrote in message ... No only that, moving an OEM installation to another computer might not be possible since many of them are BIOS linked. However, the OP conveniently forgot to notice that a computer with an OEM license is quite abit less expensive than those with regular ones. Jim On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:29 PM Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:55:58 -0500, "William B. Lurie" wrote: No, you may not do this. OEM licenses come with several restrictions, and the most severe restriction is that they are permanently tied to the first computer they are installed on. They are not movable to another computer, as retail licenses are. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:39 PM Shenan Stanley wrote: snipped http://groups.google.com/group/micro...758727d6d5f65f William B. Lurie wrote: Chances are it would function fine as this is not (despite all the hooplah about "BIOS Locked") a technological issue. This is an issue centering around an agreement (the Windows XP EULA to be precise.) Even a BIOS lock can be gotten around either by clever manipulation of the CD (making a new one) and/or obtaining a generic version of the installation media. Unfortunately - by not doing research before-the-fact - many end-users find themselves in the situation you describe. The reseller/original equipment manufacturer chose to buy the licenses in bulk as OEM - lessening their price to 'pass the savings on to you'. What they don't usually offer up is the disadvantages of your savings - this being one of the larger ones surrounding Windows XP OEM licensing terms. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:18 PM Bruce Chambers wrote: William B. Lurie wrote: The plain language is right in the EULA to which you agreed to be bound, but here it is again, rephrased: By your own admission, you have an OEM license for WinXP from the defunct machine. An OEM version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or hard rive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:59 PM William B. Lurie wrote: Bruce Chambers wrote: Well, Bruce, if there was any doubt before, your rephrasing certainly set the matter straight, crystal clear. In truth, buying a new XP with license is cheap enough these days so that it would not be worth the hassle to try to do otherwise. On Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:11 PM Leythos wrote: In article , says... An OEM license dies with the first computer it's installed on. It doesn't matter if you destroy that computer, etc... the LICENSE remains with it and dies with it. The only exception is when a motherboard dies and must be replaced to keep the "Computer" running. If a exact replacement motherboard is not available, a newer motherboard can be used and the license is still valid. Upgrades are not considered valid, only replacement of a FAULTY motherboard is permitted (drives and memory and such are always possible). So, as much as you would like to think you still own a license, it's not true, the license remains with the old computer period, done. Now, what you do and if MS will come after you are another discussion that I won't participate in. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" (remove 999 for proper email address) On Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:42 PM Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:11:52 -0500, Leythos wrote: That's correct. But that's not correct. The motherboard doesn't have to be faulty to replace it, and an exact replacement is not at all required. For a long time, it wasn't clear exactly what constituted the original computer, and many people felt that replacing the motherboard made it a different computer, and therefore invalidated the OEM license. However, Microsoft has clarified the situation. See http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...vationfaq.mspx or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5 which states "If you acquired Windows Vista pre-installed on a computer from a major manufacturer (sometimes referred to as an Original Equipment Manufacturer or OEM), Windows Vista will require re-activation if you replace the motherboard with a motherboard not provided by the OEM." So clearly, if you can reactivate it, it's legal to use it. Although that page is specifically about Vista, it's reasonable to assume that the same thing applies to XP. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup On Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:44 PM William B. Lurie wrote: Ken Blake, MVP wrote: Let's refine the scenario a bit, Ken. On eBay there are a zillion "New, Windows XP Home , OEM Edition, with COA". Suppose I buy one of those and install it in my cousin's HP PC. I should then be able to register it, activate it, and it then becomes a 'til-death-do-us-part marriage partner of that computer. Is that entirely correct? On Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:07 PM Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:44:01 -0500, "William B. Lurie" wrote: Yes, assuming that they really are "new" and haven't been used before. When you buy something on eBay, there are always risks that what you think you are getting isn't what you actually get. Your paragraph says the essentially the same thing as the one of Leythos's that I agreed with above. It was only his second paragraph that was incorrect. And one additional (and very minor) point. You say "I should then be able to register it, activate it." Be aware that activation is required, but registration isn't at all required. Registration does nothing for you and is just used by Microsoft for marketing purposes. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Submitted via EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice ObjectDumper LINQ To Export Collection Via .NET Reflection http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials...eflection.aspx |
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Rebuilding a system using boxed retail bought W7 install disk
Why do you say that?
Microsoft probably won't allow you you to reinstall Win XP or Win 7 on a new machine. If you go with Win 7 do you have programs that require Win XP? Otherwise forget all about XP. -- Erik |
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