Second Drive (non standard use and I'm confused! )

I've always run a second drive as a slave - to add extra partitions
for needed space.

I'm adding drive 01 now (80 Gig) -- but I'm a bit confused as I don't
plan on 'intgegrating' it with drive 0 (40 Gig) as I have in the past..

First? I have a bunch of partitions on drive 0: .. C:\ through P:\ not
counting the ROM. (Don't get hung up on that...)

The plan was to 'duplicate' the drive letters for backup (not a mirror)
on the new drive.

However? While I won't be booting to drive 1, I will have a conflict
with the parttions/duplicat drive letters -- No?. I know when I
intitially format/copy the contents over to 1, I can "hide' the
partitions...

But -- how will I be able copy the contents over to drive 1 in the
future (If the partitions are hidden upon setup?) as I with to use it as
backup/storage of drive 0.

Second?

I don't plan on using 'all' of drive 1 as a clone. I'd like to enlarge
the partitions on 2, but leave space for mass storage for media.

So, how do I have a second drive that is a 'clone' (don't the partitions
have to be hidden if they share letters with drive 0? -- meaning I can't
copy 0 over to the second drive)?

So, when I install/format drive 1? How will I force the same
configuration (with larger partitions) without hiding them which will
disallow future use to copy to?

I recall either Drive Copy or PM allows that - I hide the drive letters
of drive 1upon format/copy (which will prevent me from copying to drive 1?!)

This can't be a unique situation -- I just can't wrap my pea brain
around it.

How does run a 'slave' that is a' partial' clone (for backup/storage for
driv 0) and the remainder as 'new' partitions that will interact with
the boot drive?

!!! BTW -- I've always set up the 'slave' as a 'master' on the second
IDE. I currently have a Dell 2400 and the Rom is the master on the
second master -- I believe I have to patch the new drive to the old one
(two IDE ports, one for the HD/One for the ROM. I recall my old box as
having 4 slots for each IDE device?)

Michael

Lemme take a wild guess?

A drive isn't considered hardware?

No, wait -- it is.

So, not only am I confused about this issue?

Apparently there is no answer!

_____________

I've always run a second drive as a slave - to add extra partitions
for needed space.

I'm adding drive 01 now (80 Gig) -- but I'm a bit confused as I don't
plan on 'intgegrating' it with drive 0 (40 Gig) as I have in the past..

First? I have a bunch of partitions on drive 0: .. C:\ through P:\ not
counting the ROM. (Don't get hung up on that...)

The plan was to 'duplicate' the drive letters for backup (not a mirror)
on the new drive.

However? While I won't be booting to drive 1, I will have a conflict
with the parttions/duplicat drive letters -- No?. I know when I
intitially format/copy the contents over to 1, I can "hide' the
partitions...

But -- how will I be able copy the contents over to drive 1 in the
future (If the partitions are hidden upon setup?) as I with to use it as
backup/storage of drive 0.

Second?

I don't plan on using 'all' of drive 1 as a clone. I'd like to enlarge
the partitions on 2, but leave space for mass storage for media.

So, how do I have a second drive that is a 'clone' (don't the partitions
have to be hidden if they share letters with drive 0? -- meaning I can't
copy 0 over to the second drive)?

So, when I install/format drive 1? How will I force the same
configuration (with larger partitions) without hiding them which will
disallow future use to copy to?

I recall either Drive Copy or PM allows that - I hide the drive letters
of drive 1upon format/copy (which will prevent me from copying to drive 1?!)

This can't be a unique situation -- I just can't wrap my pea brain
around it.

How does run a 'slave' that is a' partial' clone (for backup/storage for
driv 0) and the remainder as 'new' partitions that will interact with
the boot drive?

!!! BTW -- I've always set up the 'slave' as a 'master' on the
second IDE. I currently have a Dell 2400 and the Rom is the master on
the second master -- I believe I have to patch the new drive to the old
one (two IDE ports, one for the HD/One for the ROM. I recall my old
box as having 4 slots for each IDE device?)

Michael

You have 12 partitions on your primary drive?.. why?..

Reading on, you want to run a second drive as a slave, using the same
letters as used on your primary drive, (12 partitions)?..

And you wonder why nobody has answered?.. they don't want to get involved in
what could be a very long process just trying to work out why you want to do
this..

I think that you should maybe explain the need/requirement (keep it short),
and then maybe somebody might help you straighten the mess that you are in..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user



"Slip Kid" wrote in message
...
Lemme take a wild guess?

A drive isn't considered hardware?

No, wait -- it is.

So, not only am I confused about this issue?

Apparently there is no answer!

_____________

I've always run a second drive as a slave - to add extra partitions for
needed space.

I'm adding drive 01 now (80 Gig) -- but I'm a bit confused as I don't plan
on 'intgegrating' it with drive 0 (40 Gig) as I have in the past..

First? I have a bunch of partitions on drive 0: .. C:\ through P:\ not
counting the ROM. (Don't get hung up on that...)

The plan was to 'duplicate' the drive letters for backup (not a mirror) on
the new drive.

However? While I won't be booting to drive 1, I will have a conflict with
the parttions/duplicat drive letters -- No?. I know when I intitially
format/copy the contents over to 1, I can "hide' the partitions...

But -- how will I be able copy the contents over to drive 1 in the future
(If the partitions are hidden upon setup?) as I with to use it as
backup/storage of drive 0.

Second?

I don't plan on using 'all' of drive 1 as a clone. I'd like to enlarge
the partitions on 2, but leave space for mass storage for media.

So, how do I have a second drive that is a 'clone' (don't the partitions
have to be hidden if they share letters with drive 0? -- meaning I can't
copy 0 over to the second drive)?

So, when I install/format drive 1? How will I force the same
configuration (with larger partitions) without hiding them which will
disallow future use to copy to?

I recall either Drive Copy or PM allows that - I hide the drive letters
of drive 1upon format/copy (which will prevent me from copying to drive
1?!)

This can't be a unique situation -- I just can't wrap my pea brain around
it.

How does run a 'slave' that is a' partial' clone (for backup/storage for
driv 0) and the remainder as 'new' partitions that will interact with the
boot drive?

!!! BTW -- I've always set up the 'slave' as a 'master' on the
second IDE. I currently have a Dell 2400 and the Rom is the master on the
second master -- I believe I have to patch the new drive to the old one
(two IDE ports, one for the HD/One for the ROM. I recall my old box
as having 4 slots for each IDE device?)

Michael

Mike Hall wrote:

You have 12 partitions on your primary drive?.. why?.

It's less than 13 and more than 11. And the number of partitons has
'what' to do with my question?

..

Reading on, you want to run a second drive as a slave, using the same
letters as used on your primary drive, (12 partitions)?..

Yes, (Whether it is a single drive letter or 13? I plan on using it
as a "clone". If drive 0 goes bad, I yank it and slide in drive 1.

And you wonder why nobody has answered?.. they don't want to get involved in
what could be a very long process just trying to work out why you want to do
this..

When I find out how to do it? I'll be back with an answer.

I think that you should maybe explain the need/requirement (keep it short),
and then maybe somebody might help you straighten the mess that you are in..

From original post:

The plan was to 'duplicate' the drive letters for backup (not a mirror)
on the new drive.

How does run a 'slave' that is a' partial' clone (for backup/storage for
driv 0) and the remainder as 'new' partitions that will interact with
the boot drive?

OK?

Slip Kid wrote:
Mike Hall wrote:

You have 12 partitions on your primary drive?.. why?.


It's less than 13 and more than 11. And the number of partitons has
'what' to do with my question?

.


Reading on, you want to run a second drive as a slave, using the same
letters as used on your primary drive, (12 partitions)?..


Yes, (Whether it is a single drive letter or 13? I plan on using it
as a "clone". If drive 0 goes bad, I yank it and slide in drive 1.

And you wonder why nobody has answered?.. they don't want to get
involved in what could be a very long process just trying to work out
why you want to do this..


When I find out how to do it? I'll be back with an answer.

I think that you should maybe explain the need/requirement (keep it
short), and then maybe somebody might help you straighten the mess
that you are in..


From original post:

The plan was to 'duplicate' the drive letters for backup (not a mirror)
on the new drive.

How does run a 'slave' that is a' partial' clone (for backup/storage for
driv 0) and the remainder as 'new' partitions that will interact with
the boot drive?

OK?


Mr, Hall?

Still baffled?

Let's make it simple? Is it possible to clone a slave and backup to
appopriate drive letters on the slave from the master- yet allow the
rest of the drive to have different/new drives letters of the storing of
'new' data?

Yes?

Or

No?

Technically less you do a image of the partition only, this is an option in ghost but I have never
tried only have done full disk clones.
"Slip Kid" wrote in message
...
Slip Kid wrote:
Mike Hall wrote:

You have 12 partitions on your primary drive?.. why?.


It's less than 13 and more than 11. And the number of partitons has 'what' to do with my
question?

.


Reading on, you want to run a second drive as a slave, using the same letters as used on your
primary drive, (12 partitions)?..


Yes, (Whether it is a single drive letter or 13? I plan on using it as a "clone". If drive 0
goes bad, I yank it and slide in drive 1.

And you wonder why nobody has answered?.. they don't want to get involved in what could be a
very long process just trying to work out why you want to do this..


When I find out how to do it? I'll be back with an answer.

I think that you should maybe explain the need/requirement (keep it short), and then maybe
somebody might help you straighten the mess that you are in..


From original post:

The plan was to 'duplicate' the drive letters for backup (not a mirror) on the new drive.

How does run a 'slave' that is a' partial' clone (for backup/storage for driv 0) and the
remainder as 'new' partitions that will interact with the boot drive?

OK?


Mr, Hall?

Still baffled?

Let's make it simple? Is it possible to clone a slave and backup to appopriate drive letters on
the slave from the master- yet allow the rest of the drive to have different/new drives letters
of the storing of 'new' data?

Yes?

Or

No?

David Vair wrote:
Technically less you do a image of the partition only, this is an option in ghost but I have never
tried only have done full disk clones.
"Slip Kid" wrote in message
...


A voice! So, when you've done full disk clones?

But,you haven't been able 'access' them? That is, if the drive has
duplicte partitions? Once it's cloned, it's 'useless' to access from
the OS?

I was also aware that one could 'create', or format a clone of a drive
with Drive Copy, -- But as with other proggies, you're stuck with those
'letters' - partitions being blind to the OS once it's up and running --
No good for using as a backup drive?.

So, how bout creating a bootable image of C:\ - (mine's pretty
complicated as it is essentially a Fat 200 meg partition with loads of
DOS utiitiles - (nevermind that.)-- it also has the boot files for XP
and I run a dual boot of W2k...

So? I'd have a current 'boot' drive on CD? Now? It doesn't matter
what drive 1 'looks' like. I can store backup files anywhere, still
create 'new' partitions that will have new drive letters (and be
available to the OS).

If drive 0 fails? I boot with the image of c:\ and have access to the
various backups of each partition. (They could be all in a single
partiton on drive 1, identified by their file name (d.bkf), e.bkf...)?
I can change the drive letters easily enough, but I suspect upon it
being the master? The drive letters will fall into place.

So, do I bother (on drive 1) creating a c:\ and hiding it? (it could be
unhid at disaster) or just create a 200 meg partition (with any letter,
which can be changed if it needs to be used as a master (in case of
disaster?)

You do get my goal? I've never had a 'smooth' transition in replacing
drives. I'd hoped if a drive (the clone) was 'ready' to go? I wouldn't
have the glitches that always seem to crop up when a new os appears on a
new drive. With drives so cheap? It seems to be the most logical
solution to backup!

So? If I have not cloned partitions on the new drive, but backup files
'of' the partitions from drive 0? How do I 'restore' them?

Is that possible to do from the recovery console? What besides the CD
image of C:\ do I need to turn drive 1 (full of back-up files) into a a
funcitonal drive 0, if drive 0 fails? It would have been easier to skip
'restore' - that was the plan of having a cloned drive in th firstplace
-- switch the jumpers, sway the cable, and it's online!

This is what I have done, (Using Drive Image on home machine). Have 4 drives, each drive is own
partition. Cloned C,D,F drives, store on E. Have replaced all 1 at a time to larger Hard drives.
The trick on the bootable one is to make sure it is only one connected after cloning then boot,
Windows will find new hardware(since it is a new drive) but will still be C. The other drives I
added next, let Windows find them, I assigned a drive letter then I put the image back on the newer
drive. Another thing you could do is get a hardware raid card for IDE (see Promise.com) and set up
2 mirrored drives then if 1 fails the other takes over.
--
Dave Vair
CNE, CNA, MCP, A+, N+
Computer Education Services Corp. (CESC)

"Slip Kid" wrote in message
...
David Vair wrote:
Technically less you do a image of the partition only, this is an option in ghost but I have
never tried only have done full disk clones.
"Slip Kid" wrote in message
...


A voice! So, when you've done full disk clones?

But,you haven't been able 'access' them? That is, if the drive has duplicte partitions? Once
it's cloned, it's 'useless' to access from the OS?

I was also aware that one could 'create', or format a clone of a drive with Drive Copy, -- But as
with other proggies, you're stuck with those 'letters' - partitions being blind to the OS once
it's up and running --
No good for using as a backup drive?.

So, how bout creating a bootable image of C:\ - (mine's pretty complicated as it is essentially a
Fat 200 meg partition with loads of DOS utiitiles - (nevermind that.)-- it also has the boot
files for XP and I run a dual boot of W2k...

So? I'd have a current 'boot' drive on CD? Now? It doesn't matter what drive 1 'looks' like.
I can store backup files anywhere, still create 'new' partitions that will have new drive letters
(and be available to the OS).

If drive 0 fails? I boot with the image of c:\ and have access to the various backups of each
partition. (They could be all in a single partiton on drive 1, identified by their file name
(d.bkf), e.bkf...)? I can change the drive letters easily enough, but I suspect upon it being the
master? The drive letters will fall into place.

So, do I bother (on drive 1) creating a c:\ and hiding it? (it could be unhid at disaster) or
just create a 200 meg partition (with any letter, which can be changed if it needs to be used as a
master (in case of disaster?)

You do get my goal? I've never had a 'smooth' transition in replacing drives. I'd hoped if a
drive (the clone) was 'ready' to go? I wouldn't have the glitches that always seem to crop up when
a new os appears on a new drive. With drives so cheap? It seems to be the most logical solution
to backup!

So? If I have not cloned partitions on the new drive, but backup files 'of' the partitions from
drive 0? How do I 'restore' them?

Is that possible to do from the recovery console? What besides the CD image of C:\ do I need to
turn drive 1 (full of back-up files) into a a funcitonal drive 0, if drive 0 fails? It would have
been easier to skip 'restore' - that was the plan of having a cloned drive in th firstplace --
switch the jumpers, sway the cable, and it's online!