Recovery Console Perplexations and Woes

Boo to Mr. Microsoft's Recovery Console acess procedures!

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP Professional
SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto Recovery Console,
then the dialog, then enter my admin password... No way, Jose! I have
verified that I have the Administrator Password correct, so why does it
do that to me?

OK, another factor, that I thought I'd check is that I use TweakUI to log
me on ordinarily - could that be the issue, or is there some super secret
default PW for XP's Recovery Console on a fubarred HDD???

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and microsoft.com -
it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it won't accept the PW you
just be SOL," or words to that effect in slightly more technical jargon.

HHHHHhhhhheeeelllllppppp, please. (^;

Thanks again.

Bart Marks wrote:

Boo to Mr. Microsoft's Recovery Console acess procedures!

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP
Professional SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto
Recovery Console,
then the dialog, then enter my admin password... No way, Jose! I have
verified that I have the Administrator Password correct, so why does
it do that to me?

OK, another factor, that I thought I'd check is that I use TweakUI to
log me on ordinarily - could that be the issue, or is there some super
secret default PW for XP's Recovery Console on a fubarred HDD???

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and
microsoft.com - it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it won't
accept the PW you just be SOL," or words to that effect in slightly
more technical jargon.


I understand that you are upset, but let's go over exactly what you've
actually done (since you haven't specified). You start the Recovery
Console and you input the Administrator password that you created at
the installation or setup of XP Pro. This is not supposed to be the
password for your regular account. If you have XP Home and it came
preinstalled, the default Administrator password is a blank. Have you
tried that? Please post back and tell us exactly what you are doing.
Again, I understand that you are upset but you need to communicate what
you've done so we can help you. There are ways of dealing with the
problem if you have run into the sysprep problem.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"

Bart Marks wrote:
Boo to Mr. Microsoft's Recovery Console acess procedures!

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP
Professional SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto
Recovery Console, then the dialog, then enter my admin password... No
way, Jose! I have verified that I have the Administrator Password
correct, so why does it do that to me?

OK, another factor, that I thought I'd check is that I use TweakUI to
log me on ordinarily - could that be the issue, or is there some
super secret default PW for XP's Recovery Console on a fubarred HDD???

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and
microsoft.com - it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it
won't accept the PW you just be SOL," or words to that effect in
slightly more technical jargon.

HHHHHhhhhheeeelllllppppp, please. (^;

Thanks again.

Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
Recovery console info. #21
http://michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#21
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Bart Marks wrote in
:

Boo to Mr. Microsoft's Recovery Console acess procedures!

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP
Professional SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto
Recovery Console,
then the dialog, then enter my admin password... No way, Jose! I have
verified that I have the Administrator Password correct, so why does
it do that to me?

OK, another factor, that I thought I'd check is that I use TweakUI to
log me on ordinarily - could that be the issue, or is there some super
secret default PW for XP's Recovery Console on a fubarred HDD???

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and
microsoft.com - it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it won't
accept the PW you just be SOL," or words to that effect in slightly
more technical jargon.


Malke wrote in news:#kxPGla$EHA.1524
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

I understand that you are upset, but let's go over exactly what you've
actually done (since you haven't specified). You start the Recovery
Console and you input the Administrator password that you created at
the installation or setup of XP Pro. This is not supposed to be the
password for your regular account. If you have XP Home and it came
preinstalled, the default Administrator password is a blank. Have you
tried that? Please post back and tell us exactly what you are doing.
Again, I understand that you are upset but you need to communicate what
you've done so we can help you. There are ways of dealing with the
problem if you have run into the sysprep problem.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"



Hello, Malke, and thank you very much for your response!

Let me deal with the "upset" part first, because that facet apparently
shined through my attempts at coping with this pestulance using levity:

fair warning: snippable drivel ensues

"Recovery Console" by its denotation says that an ordinary user, like
myself would not avail oneself to it unless one needed to recover, ehh?

What horror if a user had but one computer in their house with WinXPpro?

OK - Now, when I *need* to recover, I try to pop into that program provided
ostensibly for that reason, and what do you know? I got them 'Recovery
Console Blues' because the dialog won't accept my Administrator password
established at previous install and setup.

Now, I understand that the geniuses (geniui?) at Microsoft, under the
constant influence of the hum and whir of machinery and effects of the
famous Seattle coffee recipes, up in the air at Redmond Hills so close to
7th Heaven wanted to build in security measures so that just any old body
could not go popping into systems and and making dangerous or malicious
changes -- but for heavens' sake, you guys, who in the world could picture
a scenario wherein someone with ill intentions would just happen to have
the Windows XP Professional SP2 installation CD, with the appropriate Key,
etc., handy, and decide to go pop into someone else's machine with it, and
recover from a lost MBR???

OK, OK, let's just postulate that there *could* exist such a far fetched
*plausibility,* and out of an abundance of caution, Microsoft software
engineers decided to build-in a password protection sequence for
specifically the Recovery Console, aside from, and in addition to, the
Administrator Password with which we are all so familiar, with the initial
steps after having installed Windows XP Pro... I ponder this: Why in the
world would they not inform you of this clearly in the install dialog????

Perhaps they did, but it was in the teeny-tiny small print and disclaimers
that only a way-experienced NT/2000 and now XP user - whose eyes weren't in
need of reading glasses to function in front of the glare of data being
rendered faster than the speed of light - would read. But then, in the
midst of exigent circumstances and the need to recover, where's the
Microsoft support dialog when you search for "recovery console access
password" or such? "You need 'the' password; if you don't have it: too
bad!" is the universally accepted standard response, in essense?

announcement: snippable drivel completed - whoo whoo


Here's the history of the situation:

I installed Windows XP Pro basic on the [not yet] crashed workstation some
time ago, and have since sequentially updated through SP1 and now SP2.

I believe the root of the problem is that I installed a 3rd party system
lock between the SP1 and SP2 era, which works by locking out the MBR unless
an appropriate password is entered at a boot screen dialog, between the
BIOS screen and the OSLOGON. Now this worked fine for quite some time.
Being aware of the circumstances, for purposes of drive image backups and
other huge updates which required a series of reboots, I simply entered the
password, temporarily entered the unlocked system mode, rebooted, and moved
forward without the requirement to lock the system, and did what I had to
do attended, until such time as the task(s) were complete, and then, when
all was stable, resumed and locked the system again.

It came to pass on 17JAN that there was some sort of buffer overload during
normal multi-tasking operations, with the system [MBR] lock in place but
with the system up and running. The overload, or whatever was the
causation, induced a crash, with a "Blue Screeen" which stated "...
hardware error... if first time... restart system... if not call your
administratior..." Esc or Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work there.

Only way out of that situation was the cold boot - hold start button for 4
seconds shut down wait 30 seconds or so restart.

I did so, entered the 3rd party System lock sequence, entered password to
unlock thereby accessing the MBR, and successfully rebooted into Windows...

The system restarted, and after some vasillation into the OSLOGON screen
and back to black screen, rebooted on into Windows - but probably reverted
automatically to some last-known-good-configuration; without specific
notice thereto.

Now here's the latest Microsoft security procedures at work: I was
inundated with Microsoft auto-update dialogs, M$ AntiSpyware, M$ Windows
auto-update, M$ Firewall, including a small grey system dialog window which
stated "Your system has recovered from a serios error... Please send to
Microsoft..."

At this point, I had physically pulled the workstation's connection to the
internet (don't want to spread viruses, or allow a hijack to consummate).
In any case, I have long since stopped allowing the dialog "to send the
information to Microsoft" because it's usually in conflict with other
urgent operations/issues ongoing, and *they* never return acknowledgments.
When the dialogs subsided, because of the "system error" information
provided by the M$ dialog, I decided to access Windows XP's version of
chkdisk, via My Computer C:\ Properties Tools tab Error checking
[Auto-fix & Scan-recover] requires reboot on C:\ (because of Windows in
use) and once again, on reboot I got the OSLOGON screen, but only black
screen after that, and my monitor's hardware dialog informs me "no signal"
thereby suggesting/hinting damaged MBR.

this is going long...
sorry, but want to provide enough info this time

Well, I had imaged the drive only 5 days prior, so I booted via floppy
recovery disks into my drive image recovery system and restored the drive
back to the 12th [from the 17th]. System seemed to work OK, so I still
wanted to do the chkdisk procedure; went through the above; and again got
nearly the same error as above, only this time with no OSLOGON screen.

That's the point where I decided to try the Recovery Console fixmbr via
install disk with no joy, because the only password requirement I had
inferred from all the information available was that I would need my
"Administrator's Password" as it is constantly and consistently denoted!

Thus, was/am/is not able to figure out how to use this magnificent tool so
generously provided by the brain-trust at Microsoft Concepts Breakfast Tea
and Fashion Show, INC. LOL! JK. I'm not really mad at Microsoft, it's just
that they can't anticipate *every* possible situation, like an MBR getting
damaged and needing a quick and easy recovery by an ordinary home user.

Whew! So, there's the history!

I take it from your response that there must be some procedure at OS
installation to establish some entry password indigenous only to the
Recovery Console for each [system][installation][installation disk][time
zone][religious preference][political affilation][favorite color]???

Please, pray tell. Or write ye yon book; because, if the information be
true, would I that make said purchase in haste forthwith and be joyous in
abundance therefrom? Yea, I say unto ye: ideedy do dah do dah day-o!


Incidentally, I have since fingers crossed knocking on solid resin
simulated wood covered real wood particle board recoverd from the maliase
itself, all but for want of the knowledge how most efficiently to a)
install the Recovery Console procedures correctly from the onset, in
prudent and judicious cautionary anticipation and preparation; and/or, b)
how to effect the Recovery Console access from this point onward. It seems
it may be a viable option to have available; seems to be setting there
waiting for anyone with the installation disk to use it; but yet, seems to
have some super-secret set of rituals to avail oneself to it?


PS: Just can't get it off my mind: Does anyone seriously think that a
hamburgler, or the like, is running around randomly out there with a bona-
fide Windows XP Professional installation disk - with a unique License key
at some $300 or so, randomly seeking a defenseless Windows XP Professional
workstation, so that he/she/they may access the dreaded Recovery Console
and... and... and... and what exactly? LOL! Well, I guess it could
happen. Strange world we're living in anymore, ehh?


Want to know how I recovered the workstation? It was quite accidental, not
altogether random, and dependent upon a set of serendipitous procedural
oddities that happened to be lying around.

First, I used the GRC SpinRite floppy. I hear there's a v6 out there now
that is considerably faster, but after several hours, it determined that
there was no problem with the HDD hardware itself - thankfully.

Then, I broke out my newer, from another machine, WinXPpro-SP2 disk, booted
into it, chose to install, elected to format the drive [in case the crash
and loss of MBR was malware related]... After all that, I booted into the
drive image recovery disk system and restored by the fully scanned, fully
functional, then-to-date updated, 12JAN05 backup, and then reinstalled the
last 6 days of various updates - and so it all goes well, or so it seems.

Well, pitiful though it may be, that's all the feedback I have. And it's
been fraught with desperation and anxiety, all for want of access to what I
already have, save the procedure to simply get to it. Maybe this problem
will help someone else by way of insuring Recovery Console's easy access,
because intuitively I'm thinking he bold "fixmbr" sure would have been
a lot quicker /bold - and definately easier on my sanity, which is
becoming tenative at best these days.

feindish laugher ensues


Thank you in abundance of excess
for any information in order to access
and/or regarding that darned ole'
Microsoft's Super-Secret 'covery Console

/end country music verse

It just seems like it would be so simple:

From Microsoft: "Dear DoughDough, Thanks for buying this copy of Windows XP
Professional SP2 with your years' of saved up lunch money. (Sorry, policy
dictates that we cannot return your first-born child or the rights thereto;
or rightful title to your soul or ancestry, etc.)"

"Please be informed that prior to actually installing this very expensive
software on your hard-earned-or-built computer, you may need to have chosen
and available a few passwords to fully access all the features available
which you paid so very dearly for":

"An Administrator's Password, for Administration accounts

Pehaps some Limited Admin Passwords, if you choose to deploy limited
Administator accounts

Some User's Passwords for your User accounts"

"And, oh yeah, a Super Secret Recovery Console account in case you need to
fix some common problems which computer users frequently encounter."

Or, alternatively:

Warning: If you didn't start computing back in the daze of ARPNET and
WinDoS/311, you need to return this disc to Best Buy and buy yourself a TV,
Stereo or maybe even a brand new car.


Well, again, thanks for your response.

I have Windows XP Professional installed all around. Only one is a
WinXPpro-SP2 disc. They were all installed with no additional provision
for access to Recovery Console - because I was not forewarned of any
requirement thereto. I have access to friend's Windows XP Home [Basic, no
SP's] disc, but I'm not sure because of the licensing and activation
procedures if I should ever attempt to use that to access another Recovery
Console, and on a WinXPpro system?

Is there a short or simple way to pave the way so that access to the
Recovery Console is painless in case of future need?

Also, is there a short, simple procedure during install of Windows XP Pro
to establish that password for access to Recovery Console (in the
unforseeable future at the point of installation)?

Thank you again.


Best regards.
--

Bart, for future reference:

1. You could have fixed the MBR by booting a Win98 floppy and running
FDISK /MBR

2. You can get a free tool that can allow you reset the Admnistrator
password:
http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd

Thanks for the good read, though. You should write a book.

Steve

Bart Marks wrote:
Bart Marks wrote in
:

Boo to Mr. Microsoft's Recovery Console acess procedures!

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP
Professional SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto
Recovery Console,
then the dialog, then enter my admin password... No way, Jose! I have
verified that I have the Administrator Password correct, so why does
it do that to me?

OK, another factor, that I thought I'd check is that I use TweakUI to
log me on ordinarily - could that be the issue, or is there some super
secret default PW for XP's Recovery Console on a fubarred HDD???

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and
microsoft.com - it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it won't
accept the PW you just be SOL," or words to that effect in slightly
more technical jargon.



Malke wrote in news:#kxPGla$EHA.1524
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

I understand that you are upset, but let's go over exactly what you've
actually done (since you haven't specified). You start the Recovery
Console and you input the Administrator password that you created at
the installation or setup of XP Pro. This is not supposed to be the
password for your regular account. If you have XP Home and it came
preinstalled, the default Administrator password is a blank. Have you
tried that? Please post back and tell us exactly what you are doing.
Again, I understand that you are upset but you need to communicate what
you've done so we can help you. There are ways of dealing with the
problem if you have run into the sysprep problem.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"




Hello, Malke, and thank you very much for your response!

Let me deal with the "upset" part first, because that facet apparently
shined through my attempts at coping with this pestulance using levity:

fair warning: snippable drivel ensues

"Recovery Console" by its denotation says that an ordinary user, like
myself would not avail oneself to it unless one needed to recover, ehh?

What horror if a user had but one computer in their house with WinXPpro?

OK - Now, when I *need* to recover, I try to pop into that program provided
ostensibly for that reason, and what do you know? I got them 'Recovery
Console Blues' because the dialog won't accept my Administrator password
established at previous install and setup.

Now, I understand that the geniuses (geniui?) at Microsoft, under the
constant influence of the hum and whir of machinery and effects of the
famous Seattle coffee recipes, up in the air at Redmond Hills so close to
7th Heaven wanted to build in security measures so that just any old body
could not go popping into systems and and making dangerous or malicious
changes -- but for heavens' sake, you guys, who in the world could picture
a scenario wherein someone with ill intentions would just happen to have
the Windows XP Professional SP2 installation CD, with the appropriate Key,
etc., handy, and decide to go pop into someone else's machine with it, and
recover from a lost MBR???

OK, OK, let's just postulate that there *could* exist such a far fetched
*plausibility,* and out of an abundance of caution, Microsoft software
engineers decided to build-in a password protection sequence for
specifically the Recovery Console, aside from, and in addition to, the
Administrator Password with which we are all so familiar, with the initial
steps after having installed Windows XP Pro... I ponder this: Why in the
world would they not inform you of this clearly in the install dialog????

Perhaps they did, but it was in the teeny-tiny small print and disclaimers
that only a way-experienced NT/2000 and now XP user - whose eyes weren't in
need of reading glasses to function in front of the glare of data being
rendered faster than the speed of light - would read. But then, in the
midst of exigent circumstances and the need to recover, where's the
Microsoft support dialog when you search for "recovery console access
password" or such? "You need 'the' password; if you don't have it: too
bad!" is the universally accepted standard response, in essense?

announcement: snippable drivel completed - whoo whoo


Here's the history of the situation:

I installed Windows XP Pro basic on the [not yet] crashed workstation some
time ago, and have since sequentially updated through SP1 and now SP2.

I believe the root of the problem is that I installed a 3rd party system
lock between the SP1 and SP2 era, which works by locking out the MBR unless
an appropriate password is entered at a boot screen dialog, between the
BIOS screen and the OSLOGON. Now this worked fine for quite some time.
Being aware of the circumstances, for purposes of drive image backups and
other huge updates which required a series of reboots, I simply entered the
password, temporarily entered the unlocked system mode, rebooted, and moved
forward without the requirement to lock the system, and did what I had to
do attended, until such time as the task(s) were complete, and then, when
all was stable, resumed and locked the system again.

It came to pass on 17JAN that there was some sort of buffer overload during
normal multi-tasking operations, with the system [MBR] lock in place but
with the system up and running. The overload, or whatever was the
causation, induced a crash, with a "Blue Screeen" which stated "...
hardware error... if first time... restart system... if not call your
administratior..." Esc or Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work there.

Only way out of that situation was the cold boot - hold start button for 4
seconds shut down wait 30 seconds or so restart.

I did so, entered the 3rd party System lock sequence, entered password to
unlock thereby accessing the MBR, and successfully rebooted into Windows...

The system restarted, and after some vasillation into the OSLOGON screen
and back to black screen, rebooted on into Windows - but probably reverted
automatically to some last-known-good-configuration; without specific
notice thereto.

Now here's the latest Microsoft security procedures at work: I was
inundated with Microsoft auto-update dialogs, M$ AntiSpyware, M$ Windows
auto-update, M$ Firewall, including a small grey system dialog window which
stated "Your system has recovered from a serios error... Please send to
Microsoft..."

At this point, I had physically pulled the workstation's connection to the
internet (don't want to spread viruses, or allow a hijack to consummate).
In any case, I have long since stopped allowing the dialog "to send the
information to Microsoft" because it's usually in conflict with other
urgent operations/issues ongoing, and *they* never return acknowledgments.
When the dialogs subsided, because of the "system error" information
provided by the M$ dialog, I decided to access Windows XP's version of
chkdisk, via My Computer C:\ Properties Tools tab Error checking
[Auto-fix & Scan-recover] requires reboot on C:\ (because of Windows in
use) and once again, on reboot I got the OSLOGON screen, but only black
screen after that, and my monitor's hardware dialog informs me "no signal"
thereby suggesting/hinting damaged MBR.

this is going long...
sorry, but want to provide enough info this time

Well, I had imaged the drive only 5 days prior, so I booted via floppy
recovery disks into my drive image recovery system and restored the drive
back to the 12th [from the 17th]. System seemed to work OK, so I still
wanted to do the chkdisk procedure; went through the above; and again got
nearly the same error as above, only this time with no OSLOGON screen.

That's the point where I decided to try the Recovery Console fixmbr via
install disk with no joy, because the only password requirement I had
inferred from all the information available was that I would need my
"Administrator's Password" as it is constantly and consistently denoted!

Thus, was/am/is not able to figure out how to use this magnificent tool so
generously provided by the brain-trust at Microsoft Concepts Breakfast Tea
and Fashion Show, INC. LOL! JK. I'm not really mad at Microsoft, it's just
that they can't anticipate *every* possible situation, like an MBR getting
damaged and needing a quick and easy recovery by an ordinary home user.

Whew! So, there's the history!

I take it from your response that there must be some procedure at OS
installation to establish some entry password indigenous only to the
Recovery Console for each [system][installation][installation disk][time
zone][religious preference][political affilation][favorite color]???

Please, pray tell. Or write ye yon book; because, if the information be
true, would I that make said purchase in haste forthwith and be joyous in
abundance therefrom? Yea, I say unto ye: ideedy do dah do dah day-o!


Incidentally, I have since fingers crossed knocking on solid resin
simulated wood covered real wood particle board recoverd from the maliase
itself, all but for want of the knowledge how most efficiently to a)
install the Recovery Console procedures correctly from the onset, in
prudent and judicious cautionary anticipation and preparation; and/or, b)
how to effect the Recovery Console access from this point onward. It seems
it may be a viable option to have available; seems to be setting there
waiting for anyone with the installation disk to use it; but yet, seems to
have some super-secret set of rituals to avail oneself to it?


PS: Just can't get it off my mind: Does anyone seriously think that a
hamburgler, or the like, is running around randomly out there with a bona-
fide Windows XP Professional installation disk - with a unique License key
at some $300 or so, randomly seeking a defenseless Windows XP Professional
workstation, so that he/she/they may access the dreaded Recovery Console
and... and... and... and what exactly? LOL! Well, I guess it could
happen. Strange world we're living in anymore, ehh?


Want to know how I recovered the workstation? It was quite accidental, not
altogether random, and dependent upon a set of serendipitous procedural
oddities that happened to be lying around.

First, I used the GRC SpinRite floppy. I hear there's a v6 out there now
that is considerably faster, but after several hours, it determined that
there was no problem with the HDD hardware itself - thankfully.

Then, I broke out my newer, from another machine, WinXPpro-SP2 disk, booted
into it, chose to install, elected to format the drive [in case the crash
and loss of MBR was malware related]... After all that, I booted into the
drive image recovery disk system and restored by the fully scanned, fully
functional, then-to-date updated, 12JAN05 backup, and then reinstalled the
last 6 days of various updates - and so it all goes well, or so it seems.

Well, pitiful though it may be, that's all the feedback I have. And it's
been fraught with desperation and anxiety, all for want of access to what I
already have, save the procedure to simply get to it. Maybe this problem
will help someone else by way of insuring Recovery Console's easy access,
because intuitively I'm thinking he bold "fixmbr" sure would have been
a lot quicker /bold - and definately easier on my sanity, which is
becoming tenative at best these days.

feindish laugher ensues


Thank you in abundance of excess
for any information in order to access
and/or regarding that darned ole'
Microsoft's Super-Secret 'covery Console

/end country music verse

It just seems like it would be so simple:

From Microsoft: "Dear DoughDough, Thanks for buying this copy of Windows XP
Professional SP2 with your years' of saved up lunch money. (Sorry, policy
dictates that we cannot return your first-born child or the rights thereto;
or rightful title to your soul or ancestry, etc.)"

"Please be informed that prior to actually installing this very expensive
software on your hard-earned-or-built computer, you may need to have chosen
and available a few passwords to fully access all the features available
which you paid so very dearly for":

"An Administrator's Password, for Administration accounts

Pehaps some Limited Admin Passwords, if you choose to deploy limited
Administator accounts

Some User's Passwords for your User accounts"

"And, oh yeah, a Super Secret Recovery Console account in case you need to
fix some common problems which computer users frequently encounter."

Or, alternatively:

Warning: If you didn't start computing back in the daze of ARPNET and
WinDoS/311, you need to return this disc to Best Buy and buy yourself a TV,
Stereo or maybe even a brand new car.


Well, again, thanks for your response.

I have Windows XP Professional installed all around. Only one is a
WinXPpro-SP2 disc. They were all installed with no additional provision
for access to Recovery Console - because I was not forewarned of any
requirement thereto. I have access to friend's Windows XP Home [Basic, no
SP's] disc, but I'm not sure because of the licensing and activation
procedures if I should ever attempt to use that to access another Recovery
Console, and on a WinXPpro system?

Is there a short or simple way to pave the way so that access to the
Recovery Console is painless in case of future need?

Also, is there a short, simple procedure during install of Windows XP Pro
to establish that password for access to Recovery Console (in the
unforseeable future at the point of installation)?

Thank you again.


Best regards.
--

"Steve N." wrote in
:

Bart, for future reference:

1. You could have fixed the MBR by booting a Win98 floppy and running
FDISK /MBR

2. You can get a free tool that can allow you reset the Admnistrator
password: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd

Thanks for the good read, though. You should write a book.

Steve


Thanks Steve for the good work-around information! I grabbed those tools
and printed floppies for my recovery kit, just in case. I had no idea I
could legally use Windows 98's boot disk to work with WinXP. LOL! And
suddenly, I don't care whether it's legal or not. vbg

Instead of writing a book (which I think I might have earlier done here),
I think I'll file a class-action lawsuit against Microsoft demanding
unilateral world-wide damages and immediate effective corrections to
Recovery Console access procedures be individually distributed to every
single one of the billions of licensees under Windows XP? And some neat
free stuff too, like coupons on future purchases, and our inclusion on
mailing lists informing of neat new Microsoft software to defend against
the holes they left in the OS's - at a sweet discount for parties of the
class in the proceedings!

Well, on second thought, erase that thought, because all that legal
action would probably do is raise the future prices of Windows flavors
for everybody... And I do believe that's why I voted for Bush over Gore
in the first place: so the Justice Department would get off Microsoft's
case and let them just do the right thing!

So much for "the right thing to do" - and all that todo about WMD too?


Bart
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Bart Marks wrote:

snipped

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP
Professional SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto
Recovery Console, then the dialog, then enter my admin password.

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and
microsoft.com - it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it
won't accept the PW you just be SOL," or words to that effect in
slightly more technical jargon.


"Michael Stevens" wrote in news:O6LLbtb$EHA.2600
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link
into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
Recovery console info. #21
http://michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#21



Michael,

Thank you for the link! Very nice website. And I really liked the way
situations are hyper-linked to possible solutions and discussions.

When I catch up, I'll experiment around with the proposals to work around
and fix bugs in the procedure to access the Recovery Console. I am, to
say the least, very motivated to become familar with the Recovery Console
now, even though the impending problem has been hopefully resolved.

Of course, thanks to all for the responses to my problem; to all those
who so generously give of their time, knowledge and wisdom responding to
problems in general; and thanks to the folks at Microsoft for the
foresight, effort, and for providing the forum to find solutions to
various problems.


Best regards,

Bart
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Bart Marks wrote:

"Steve N." wrote in
:


Bart, for future reference:

1. You could have fixed the MBR by booting a Win98 floppy and running
FDISK /MBR

2. You can get a free tool that can allow you reset the Admnistrator
password: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd

Thanks for the good read, though. You should write a book.

Steve



Thanks Steve for the good work-around information! I grabbed those tools
and printed floppies for my recovery kit, just in case. I had no idea I
could legally use Windows 98's boot disk to work with WinXP. LOL! And
suddenly, I don't care whether it's legal or not. vbg

You're welcome. I don't think there's any legality issue using a Win98
boot disk on an XP system in this way. The ntpassword tool has saved my
bacon a couple times, too. I have only encountered one box that it
wouldn't work on but it turned out the OS was so hosed on it that it
didn't matter anyway.

Steve

Bart Marks wrote:
Bart Marks wrote:

snipped

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP
Professional SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto
Recovery Console, then the dialog, then enter my admin password.

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and
microsoft.com - it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it
won't accept the PW you just be SOL," or words to that effect in
slightly more technical jargon.


"Michael Stevens" wrote in
news:O6LLbtb$EHA.2600 @TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link
into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
Recovery console info. #21
http://michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html#21



Michael,

Thank you for the link! Very nice website. And I really liked the
way situations are hyper-linked to possible solutions and discussions.

When I catch up, I'll experiment around with the proposals to work
around and fix bugs in the procedure to access the Recovery Console.
I am, to say the least, very motivated to become familar with the
Recovery Console now, even though the impending problem has been
hopefully resolved.

Of course, thanks to all for the responses to my problem; to all those
who so generously give of their time, knowledge and wisdom responding
to problems in general; and thanks to the folks at Microsoft for the
foresight, effort, and for providing the forum to find solutions to
various problems.


Best regards,

Bart

Thank you very much for the compliment.
--
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"Steve N." wrote:

Bart, for future reference:

1. You could have fixed the MBR by booting a Win98 floppy and running
FDISK /MBR

2. You can get a free tool that can allow you reset the Admnistrator
password:
http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd

Thanks for the good read, though. You should write a book.

Steve

Bart Marks wrote:
Bart Marks wrote in
:

Boo to Mr. Microsoft's Recovery Console acess procedures!

Seems I lost my MBR, (that other PC) and when I boot from XP
Professional SP2 installation disk, it gives me the option to goto
Recovery Console,
then the dialog, then enter my admin password... No way, Jose! I have
verified that I have the Administrator Password correct, so why does
it do that to me?

OK, another factor, that I thought I'd check is that I use TweakUI to
log me on ordinarily - could that be the issue, or is there some super
secret default PW for XP's Recovery Console on a fubarred HDD???

Many thanks for assistance!

PS: Not to be rude, but I *have* been all over Google and
microsoft.com - it all dead-ends at "enter the PW" and/or "if it won't
accept the PW you just be SOL," or words to that effect in slightly
more technical jargon.



Malke wrote in news:#kxPGla$EHA.1524
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

I understand that you are upset, but let's go over exactly what you've
actually done (since you haven't specified). You start the Recovery
Console and you input the Administrator password that you created at
the installation or setup of XP Pro. This is not supposed to be the
password for your regular account. If you have XP Home and it came
preinstalled, the default Administrator password is a blank. Have you
tried that? Please post back and tell us exactly what you are doing.
Again, I understand that you are upset but you need to communicate what
you've done so we can help you. There are ways of dealing with the
problem if you have run into the sysprep problem.

Malke
--
MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"




Hello, Malke, and thank you very much for your response!

Let me deal with the "upset" part first, because that facet apparently
shined through my attempts at coping with this pestulance using levity:

fair warning: snippable drivel ensues

"Recovery Console" by its denotation says that an ordinary user, like
myself would not avail oneself to it unless one needed to recover, ehh?

What horror if a user had but one computer in their house with WinXPpro?

OK - Now, when I *need* to recover, I try to pop into that program provided
ostensibly for that reason, and what do you know? I got them 'Recovery
Console Blues' because the dialog won't accept my Administrator password
established at previous install and setup.

Now, I understand that the geniuses (geniui?) at Microsoft, under the
constant influence of the hum and whir of machinery and effects of the
famous Seattle coffee recipes, up in the air at Redmond Hills so close to
7th Heaven wanted to build in security measures so that just any old body
could not go popping into systems and and making dangerous or malicious
changes -- but for heavens' sake, you guys, who in the world could picture
a scenario wherein someone with ill intentions would just happen to have
the Windows XP Professional SP2 installation CD, with the appropriate Key,
etc., handy, and decide to go pop into someone else's machine with it, and
recover from a lost MBR???

OK, OK, let's just postulate that there *could* exist such a far fetched
*plausibility,* and out of an abundance of caution, Microsoft software
engineers decided to build-in a password protection sequence for
specifically the Recovery Console, aside from, and in addition to, the
Administrator Password with which we are all so familiar, with the initial
steps after having installed Windows XP Pro... I ponder this: Why in the
world would they not inform you of this clearly in the install dialog????

Perhaps they did, but it was in the teeny-tiny small print and disclaimers
that only a way-experienced NT/2000 and now XP user - whose eyes weren't in
need of reading glasses to function in front of the glare of data being
rendered faster than the speed of light - would read. But then, in the
midst of exigent circumstances and the need to recover, where's the
Microsoft support dialog when you search for "recovery console access
password" or such? "You need 'the' password; if you don't have it: too
bad!" is the universally accepted standard response, in essense?

announcement: snippable drivel completed - whoo whoo


Here's the history of the situation:

I installed Windows XP Pro basic on the [not yet] crashed workstation some
time ago, and have since sequentially updated through SP1 and now SP2.

I believe the root of the problem is that I installed a 3rd party system
lock between the SP1 and SP2 era, which works by locking out the MBR unless
an appropriate password is entered at a boot screen dialog, between the
BIOS screen and the OSLOGON. Now this worked fine for quite some time.
Being aware of the circumstances, for purposes of drive image backups and
other huge updates which required a series of reboots, I simply entered the
password, temporarily entered the unlocked system mode, rebooted, and moved
forward without the requirement to lock the system, and did what I had to
do attended, until such time as the task(s) were complete, and then, when
all was stable, resumed and locked the system again.

It came to pass on 17JAN that there was some sort of buffer overload during
normal multi-tasking operations, with the system [MBR] lock in place but
with the system up and running. The overload, or whatever was the
causation, induced a crash, with a "Blue Screeen" which stated "...
hardware error... if first time... restart system... if not call your
administratior..." Esc or Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work there.

Only way out of that situation was the cold boot - hold start button for 4
seconds shut down wait 30 seconds or so restart.

I did so, entered the 3rd party System lock sequence, entered password to
unlock thereby accessing the MBR, and successfully rebooted into Windows...

The system restarted, and after some vasillation into the OSLOGON screen
and back to black screen, rebooted on into Windows - but probably reverted
automatically to some last-known-good-configuration; without specific
notice thereto.

Now here's the latest Microsoft security procedures at work: I was
inundated with Microsoft auto-update dialogs, M$ AntiSpyware, M$ Windows
auto-update, M$ Firewall, including a small grey system dialog window which
stated "Your system has recovered from a serios error... Please send to
Microsoft..."

At this point, I had physically pulled the workstation's connection to the
internet (don't want to spread viruses, or allow a hijack to consummate).
In any case, I have long since stopped allowing the dialog "to send the
information to Microsoft" because it's usually in conflict with other
urgent operations/issues ongoing, and *they* never return acknowledgments.
When the dialogs subsided, because of the "system error" information
provided by the M$ dialog, I decided to access Windows XP's version of
chkdisk, via My Computer C:\ Properties Tools tab Error checking
[Auto-fix & Scan-recover] requires reboot on C:\ (because of Windows in
use) and once again, on reboot I got the OSLOGON screen, but only black
screen after that, and my monitor's hardware dialog informs me "no signal"
thereby suggesting/hinting damaged MBR.

this is going long...
sorry, but want to provide enough info this time

Well, I had imaged the drive only 5 days prior, so I booted via floppy
recovery disks into my drive image recovery system and restored the drive
back to the 12th [from the 17th]. System seemed to work OK, so I still
wanted to do the chkdisk procedure; went through the above; and again got
nearly the same error as above, only this time with no OSLOGON screen.

That's the point where I decided to try the Recovery Console fixmbr via
install disk with no joy, because the only password requirement I had
inferred from all the information available was that I would need my
"Administrator's Password" as it is constantly and consistently denoted!

Thus, was/am/is not able to figure out how to use this magnificent tool so
generously provided by the brain-trust at Microsoft Concepts Breakfast Tea
and Fashion Show, INC. LOL! JK. I'm not really mad at Microsoft, it's just
that they can't anticipate *every* possible situation, like an MBR getting
damaged and needing a quick and easy recovery by an ordinary home user.

Whew! So, there's the history!

I take it from your response that there must be some procedure at OS
installation to establish some entry password indigenous only to the
Recovery Console for each [system][installation][installation disk][time
zone][religious preference][political affilation][favorite color]???

Please, pray tell. Or write ye yon book; because, if the information be
true, would I that make said purchase in haste forthwith and be joyous in
abundance therefrom? Yea, I say unto ye: ideedy do dah do dah day-o!


Incidentally, I have since fingers crossed knocking on solid resin
simulated wood covered real wood particle board recoverd from the maliase
itself, all but for want of the knowledge how most efficiently to a)
install the Recovery Console procedures correctly from the onset, in
prudent and judicious cautionary anticipation and preparation; and/or, b)
how to effect the Recovery Console access from this point onward. It seems
it may be a viable option to have available; seems to be setting there
waiting for anyone with the installation disk to use it; but yet, seems to
have some super-secret set of rituals to avail oneself to it?


PS: Just can't get it off my mind: Does anyone seriously think that a
hamburgler, or the like, is running around randomly out there with a bona-
fide Windows XP Professional installation disk - with a unique License key
at some $300 or so, randomly seeking a defenseless Windows XP Professional
workstation, so that he/she/they may access the dreaded Recovery Console
and... and... and... and what exactly? LOL! Well, I guess it could
happen. Strange world we're living in anymore, ehh?


Want to know how I recovered the workstation? It was quite accidental, not
altogether random, and dependent upon a set of serendipitous procedural
oddities that happened to be lying around.

First, I used the GRC SpinRite floppy. I hear there's a v6 out there now
that is considerably faster, but after several hours, it determined that
there was no problem with the HDD hardware itself - thankfully.

Then, I broke out my newer, from another machine, WinXPpro-SP2 disk, booted
into it, chose to install, elected to format the drive [in case the crash
and loss of MBR was malware related]... After all that, I booted into the
drive image recovery disk system and restored by the fully scanned, fully
functional, then-to-date updated, 12JAN05 backup, and then reinstalled the
last 6 days of various updates - and so it all goes well, or so it seems.

Well, pitiful though it may be, that's all the feedback I have. And it's
been fraught with desperation and anxiety, all for want of access to what I
already have, save the procedure to simply get to it. Maybe this problem
will help someone else by way of insuring Recovery Console's easy access,
because intuitively I'm thinking he bold "fixmbr" sure would have been
a lot quicker /bold - and definately easier on my sanity, which is
becoming tenative at best these days.

feindish laugher ensues


Thank you in abundance of excess
for any information in order to access
and/or regarding that darned ole'
Microsoft's Super-Secret 'covery Console

/end country music verse

It just seems like it would be so simple:

From Microsoft: "Dear DoughDough, Thanks for buying this copy of Windows XP
Professional SP2 with your years' of saved up lunch money. (Sorry, policy
dictates that we cannot return your first-born child or the rights thereto;
or rightful title to your soul or ancestry, etc.)"

"Please be informed that prior to actually installing this very expensive
software on your hard-earned-or-built computer, you may need to have chosen
and available a few passwords to fully access all the features available
which you paid so very dearly for":

"An Administrator's Password, for Administration accounts

Pehaps some Limited Admin Passwords, if you choose to deploy limited
Administator accounts

Some User's Passwords for your User accounts"

"And, oh yeah, a Super Secret Recovery Console account in case you need to
fix some common problems which computer users frequently encounter."

Or, alternatively:

Warning: If you didn't start computing back in the daze of ARPNET and
WinDoS/311, you need to return this disc to Best Buy and buy yourself a TV,
Stereo or maybe even a brand new car.


Well, again, thanks for your response.

I have Windows XP Professional installed all around. Only one is a
WinXPpro-SP2 disc. They were all installed with no additional provision
for access to Recovery Console - because I was not forewarned of any
requirement thereto. I have access to friend's Windows XP Home [Basic, no
SP's] disc, but I'm not sure because of the licensing and activation
procedures if I should ever attempt to use that to access another Recovery
Console, and on a WinXPpro system?

Is there a short or simple way to pave the way so that access to the
Recovery Console is painless in case of future need?

Also, is there a short, simple procedure during install of Windows XP Pro
to establish that password for access to Recovery Console (in the
unforseeable future at the point of installation)?

Thank you again.


Best regards.
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