Hard-drive corruption question

Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you get
back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes you
might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot at all!
They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This is the reason for my
initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you
get back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes
you might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot at all!
They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This is the reason for my
initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you
get back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes
you might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any utilities
for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any help - I tried
that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)



http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

You might also want to take a look at the openSUSE LiveCD:
http://www.opensuse.org/en/

I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have Linux in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


Suggest you jumper problem drive as slave; no other hard drives
installed in system (to keep things simple).

Use one of the LiveCD's to boot the system....then use the file manager
to see if the drive is recognized, plus can be read from and written to.

If these steps are sucessful then you are well on your way to recovering
your data. Please let us know how you make out. :-)

M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any utilities
for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any help - I tried
that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)



http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

You might also want to take a look at the openSUSE LiveCD:
http://www.opensuse.org/en/

I'm guessing I will create a boot CD and have Linux in RAM like
the old MS-DOS boot disk???
Then what?


Suggest you jumper problem drive as slave; no other hard drives
installed in system (to keep things simple).

Use one of the LiveCD's to boot the system....then use the file manager
to see if the drive is recognized, plus can be read from and written to.

If these steps are sucessful then you are well on your way to recovering
your data. Please let us know how you make out. :-)

Do I understand correctly that you have a computer with only one hard drive
installed and it was working fine unstill you "added some other hardware" to
the system and that you have not been able to even to do a F8 safe mode boot
since even after you removed the "other hardware"?
However, you do get to the F8 screen and then even safe mode fail.
What was the "other hardware" you installed and now have removed?

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot at all!
They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This is the reason for
my initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you
get back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes
you might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

Do I understand correctly that you have a computer with only one hard drive
installed and it was working fine unstill you "added some other hardware" to
the system and that you have not been able to even to do a F8 safe mode boot
since even after you removed the "other hardware"?
However, you do get to the F8 screen and then even safe mode fail.
What was the "other hardware" you installed and now have removed?

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot at all!
They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This is the reason for
my initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the select
tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store and
got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the onboard
video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can you
get back to booting your system with just it's original drive? If yes
you might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this drive
as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this through
USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

He's already posted all this information in previous messages...if you
really want to help the OP, suggest you read all back messages to
catch-up on topic. :-)


Curious wrote:
Do I understand correctly that you have a computer with only one hard
drive installed and it was working fine unstill you "added some other
hardware" to the system and that you have not been able to even to do a
F8 safe mode boot since even after you removed the "other hardware"?
However, you do get to the F8 screen and then even safe mode fail.
What was the "other hardware" you installed and now have removed?

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot at
all! They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This is the
reason for my initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the
select tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store
and got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the
onboard video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can
you get back to booting your system with just it's original drive?
If yes you might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this
drive as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this
through USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

He's already posted all this information in previous messages...if you
really want to help the OP, suggest you read all back messages to
catch-up on topic. :-)


Curious wrote:
Do I understand correctly that you have a computer with only one hard
drive installed and it was working fine unstill you "added some other
hardware" to the system and that you have not been able to even to do a
F8 safe mode boot since even after you removed the "other hardware"?
However, you do get to the F8 screen and then even safe mode fail.
What was the "other hardware" you installed and now have removed?

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I cannot get any computer to which this drive is attached to boot at
all! They always crash. Therefore I cannot run chkdsk! This is the
reason for my initial post!

"Curious" wrote in message
...
Go to My Computer/right click on the drive/ select properties/ the
select tools/ then select check disk

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I not only removed the AGP video card - I took it back to the store
and got my money back. I tried with the other AGP card, and the
onboard video. The drive still crashes this or any other machine.
I cannot get to a prompt to run chkdsk by any method I can think of.

"Curious" wrote in message
...
If you remove the all of the "added hardware" you referred to can
you get back to booting your system with just it's original drive?
If yes you might try running checkdisk on the working system

"M Skabialka" wrote in message
...
I have tried booting from the drive, booting a machine with this
drive as the slave, and booting a machine and then connecting this
through USB. In all cases the computer crashes.
F8 booting in safe mode crashes.
Booting from the OS CD and choosing repair crashes.

propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any
help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)



Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program recognizes
the hard drive, plus the main partition and the "hidden" recovery
partition (both NTFS). Unfortunately, when trying a "dir" on the main
partition, a "stack overflow" is generated requiring a hard reboot.

This problem "maybe" could be fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.

propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any
help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)



Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program recognizes
the hard drive, plus the main partition and the "hidden" recovery
partition (both NTFS). Unfortunately, when trying a "dir" on the main
partition, a "stack overflow" is generated requiring a hard reboot.

This problem "maybe" could be fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.

M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message
...
Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.

A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.

Stops the defective hard drive from booting and crashing the system
maybe? :-)

You have to use the floppy and/or cd-rom, or USB memory stick or
whatever to boot and run your diagnostics.


SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

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Works here...... :-)

M Skabialka wrote:
"propman" wrote in message
...
Just to be clear on one point.........did you jumper the problem drive as
"slave" and make sure that the **IDE** boot hard drive was jumpered as
master? Just hooking them up to the same IDE cable doesn't automatically
make one "master" and the other "slave; the jumpers have to be in the
correct position.

I tried both cable select and jumpering master and slave. Tried them on
different IDE cables, as primary master and secondary master.

A couple of other things you can try too:

If your BIOS supports it....remove the problem drive's name from the list
of "bootable" devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I have no HDD listed as a boot
device, what does this accomplish? Right now I have floppy, then CD-ROM,
then Hard Drive.

Stops the defective hard drive from booting and crashing the system
maybe? :-)

You have to use the floppy and/or cd-rom, or USB memory stick or
whatever to boot and run your diagnostics.


SystemRescueCD:
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

This site will not open



Works here...... :-)

I read the manual online, and will try this and post back my results.
Thanks for the info on this software
Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any
help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)



Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program recognizes the
hard drive, plus the main partition and the "hidden" recovery partition
(both NTFS). Unfortunately, when trying a "dir" on the main partition, a
"stack overflow" is generated requiring a hard reboot.

This problem "maybe" could be fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.

I read the manual online, and will try this and post back my results.
Thanks for the info on this software
Mich

"propman" wrote in message
...
propman wrote:
M Skabialka wrote:
I ran the long diagnostics - says the drive is OK.
I looked at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ - it doesn't list any
utilities for repairing the ntfs.sys file - the NTFS reader wasn't any
help - I tried that already.
Salvation seems to be for DOS, therefore FAT systems.

Might want to try this:

NTFS4DOS 1.9 (read/write NTFS from DOS)
http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

I've downloaded it and will be trying out later....please let us know of
your experiences with it. :-)



Update:

Tried NTFS4DOS on 80 Gig Vista Home Basic......the program recognizes the
hard drive, plus the main partition and the "hidden" recovery partition
(both NTFS). Unfortunately, when trying a "dir" on the main partition, a
"stack overflow" is generated requiring a hard reboot.

This problem "maybe" could be fixed by editing the config.sys and/or
autoexec.bat but I don't have the inclination to do so right now.