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  #16  
Old February 26th 18, 07:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018

In message , ultred ragnusen
writes:
[]
So the first part of the plan moving forward is to set up a dozen 4.3GB
limited directories, which can be backed up easily to DVD once they're
filled.

[]
How do you set up a directory that will limit itself in size - or do you
mean you will manually monitor them?
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  #17  
Old February 26th 18, 10:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , ultred ragnusen
writes:
[]
So the first part of the plan moving forward is to set up a dozen 4.3GB
limited directories, which can be backed up easily to DVD once they're
filled.

[]
How do you set up a directory that will limit itself in size - or do you
mean you will manually monitor them?


A more important question is *why* you're doing that.

You can back up using regular backup software, and
make the folder or file any size you like.

Then, using 7ZIP (or other ZIP packages also have this feature),
you can make a .zip or .7z in "Store" mode. That means no
compression and it's almost like the file is just a TAR
(tape archive) style of file.

Next, look for a tick box in the interface, that says
it's going to "segment" the .zip . It will make .zip.01
..zip.02 .zip.03, and each file is no larger than the limit
you set. If you made them "DVD size", then each file would
be suitable for tossing onto a DVD.

Later, you copy them off into a staging folder,
and "unzip" them creating a monolithic folder
or file you started with.

You're not forced to use software that segments
and writes to DVD as your only tool. You can do
hard drive style backups, and segment them as
a separate step, then transfer to DVD.

For maximum flexibility, it helps to have a large
hard drive, to "massage" data in this way, and
change it to suit the situation.

And you don't have to use DVD either. Bluray
are available in 25GB and 100GB size. There's
even an MDisc version of 100GB BR storage media.
But you'll have to be a rich guy to afford media
like that, as the manufacturer has decreed that
even though the manufacturing cost is the same, the
media (byte for byte) must be as expensive as DVD.
You could easily end up spending $100 to back up
a small hard drive doing that. DVD has the advantage
of granularity, but also with the need to "keep
flippin the discs in" to finish the job. Which
I find... maddening.

Paul
  #18  
Old February 26th 18, 11:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Shadow
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Default SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:00:46 -0800, ultred ragnusen
wrote:

Shadow wrote:

Have you ever thought about dual booting ?
You could have a simple Linux Dist ( Mint or even Debian) on a
partition and boot into that when your "favorite" OS fails.


In the future, I'm going to be more careful about forcing a DVD-sized
directory size, which is really what slows me down on backing up data since
a 4.7GB DVD only holds, realistically, about 4.3GB to 4.l4 GB of data but
my data hierarchy is always larger than that. So by forcing a 4.3GB
directory size, I'll not have to dance with DVDs at backup time (yes, I
know all about USB drives - but they're less reliable than is DVD,
particularly from Microsoft-induced corruption when you remove them without
shutting them down (ask me how I know this)).


AOMEI Backupper allows you to choose the size of the backup
files when you do a system backup, and you can choose DVD size. Since
they use (optional) compression, a HD with 10 -15 GB of files on it
would probably fit onto 2 DVDs.
It's free. Give it a try.
[]'s
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  #19  
Old February 27th 18, 05:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Monty wrote:

I don't have confidence in using restore points - I won't torture
myself trying to remember why; it was many tears ago.


I agree that the restore points that I had, were not found by Windows 10
recovery anyway, so the restore points turned out to be useless.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...tore_gui_1.jpg

For a number of years I have relied on 3rd party backup programs. In
recent years, I have been using AOMEI Backupper Pro.


I really should just learn how to rsync on Windows.

That's all I really need since I don't care to back up the operating system
or the programs, all of which can easily be re-installed.

All I care about is my data.

Before doing any updates to Windows, I make a backup and store it on a
separate hard drive. If my PC won't boot after an update, I resort to
either of two options, depending on what I think may be wrong:

1. Repair the MBR.

2. Restore my PC from the backup.


The local Silicon Valley Microsoft Retail Store had my PC for a couple of
days, where they tried everything they could on their side, to no avail.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg


And I DO NOT rely on Microsoft repair options.


The retail store ran a full diagnostic (they said) which tested the HDD and
the memory and the motherboard, all of which passed. The only problem was
the Windows 10 Pro update in January bricked the operating system, which
they say they see happening at least once a day at this store in the middle
of Silicon Valley.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_5.jpg

Interestingly, it's directly across the hall from the Apple store.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_1.jpg

The Microasoft geniuses don't know any more than do the Apple geniuses
though, because never have either one ever fixed anything I've brought to
them - although the Microsoft store is twice the size of the Apple Store
and they feed you too!
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...il_store_6.jpg

Did you have a separate backup or were you relying on a restore point
for recovery?


Unfortunately, I was lulled into complacency by the reliability of MS
Windows of late, but it was a false security.

Still, I torrented Knoppix before I gave the PC to Microsoft to fix.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/24/knoppix2.jpg

So I already backed up most of the data using Knoppix before I gave the
desktop to the Microsoft Store, with only this minor error on Knoppix for
some files.
Error splicing file: Value too large for defined data type
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...x_error_01.jpg
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...x_error_02.jpg

But that might just be a bug in Knoppix 8.1, because I stopped off at Fryes
on my way home to pick up an SATA III cable and a molex-to-SATA power
connector so that I could mount both terabyte HDDs in the tower.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...a_cables_1.jpg

That allowed me to see /both/ terabyte HDDs when I booted to the new one.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...t_device_2.jpg

Since I don't care at all about the programs or the operating system, all I
need to copy safely over is the data.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ystem8f091.jpg

I already copied the data (using Knoppix) but I will likely make a second
copy with Windows since it was only the operating system that was bricked
by the MS Windows 10 Pro update.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...e_system_2.jpg

In the end, I will have two almost empty terabyte hard disk drives, so I'll
probably either make one Linux and the other Windows or just RAID them
(although I've never RAIDed anything before).




  #20  
Old February 27th 18, 06:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
ultred ragnusen
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

How do you set up a directory that will limit itself in size - or do you
mean you will manually monitor them?


Never manual!
That's the whole point - to avoid any manual directory sizing!

The easiest way to limit a directory to a DVD size is to create a virtual
disk drive using any virtualization software you want to use.

I know how to use Veracrypt, so that's what I use to limit the size of each
alphabetical virtual drive to a DVD disc size, but even Windows has
virtualization software (it's just harder to use than is Veracrypt).

With Veracrypt, you can quite easily create as many 4.3GB or 4.4GB
container files as there are letters in the alphabet, each of which
"mounts" as a drive letter on Windows.

For example, I have more than a dozen virtual drives, but I just mounted X:
Y: and Z: for you for this screenshot (where you'll note I was
experimenting with size limits of 4.2GB, 4.3GB, 4.4GB, 4.5GB, and 4.6GB).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...tual_drive.jpg

It's trivial to create a virtual disk in Veracrypt, but you can also create
them with VirtualBox or any other virtualization software.

I happen to like Veracrypt (same as Truecrypt) because it's so easy to use
and it's designed exactly for this purpose.

You don't have to encrypt it, but encryption is a bonus if you want the
encryption. Truecrypt did the same thing if you're happy with that
software.
  #21  
Old February 27th 18, 06:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
ultred ragnusen
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Paul wrote:

A more important question is *why* you're doing that.


You have to remember that I'm not backing up what /most/ people back up.
Most people back up the "image" and they back it up to a large HDD of some
sort.

I'm backing up individual data files, and they go to a DVD disc.

For me, rsync would work just fine, and in fact, some day, I'll figure out
what works like rsync on Windows since that's the most efficient.

You can back up using regular backup software, and
make the folder or file any size you like.


Nope. The last thing I want is to have /multiple/ discs where I've been
though that drill of one third your stuff on disc 1 and one third on disc 2
and one third on disc 3 where you have to pop in all the discs just to find
what you're lookign for, and Lord help you if you lose one of the discs in
the sequence as the entire sequence is screwed up.

Maybe the software is better nowadays, but I simply want to back up stuff
to DVD /WITHOUT/ having to worry about it spilling over from disc1 to
disc2.

The easiest way to do that, AFAIK, is to keep the data in separate 4.3GB
directories, where the directory can be backed up to its own DVD disc.

Then, using 7ZIP (or other ZIP packages also have this feature),
you can make a .zip or .7z in "Store" mode. That means no
compression and it's almost like the file is just a TAR
(tape archive) style of file.


I'm sick of compressed files not uncompressing when you need them.
I'm an old man. I am sick of all the fancy solutions.
I want to keep it simple. KISS simple.

One directory, one DVD.

Next, look for a tick box in the interface, that says
it's going to "segment" the .zip .


Yikes. That's exactly what I wish to avoid.

It will make .zip.01
.zip.02 .zip.03, and each file is no larger than the limit
you set. If you made them "DVD size", then each file would
be suitable for tossing onto a DVD.


Yuck. You don't know how many times I've been burned by crap like that.

Later, you copy them off into a staging folder,
and "unzip" them creating a monolithic folder
or file you started with.


It's been a long time since I deallt with stitching files back together.
Been there. Done that. Don't wanna ever do it again.

You're not forced to use software that segments
and writes to DVD as your only tool. You can do
hard drive style backups, and segment them as
a separate step, then transfer to DVD.


Nope. I don't want anything manual other than the minimum, which, with my
KISS method, is simply that Windows won't let me put more than a DVD's
amount of data into any directory as shown in this screenshot I just made
to show X: Y: and Z: drives, each limited to DVD sizes (where I was
experimenting with the final size).
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...tual_drive.jpg

For maximum flexibility, it helps to have a large
hard drive, to "massage" data in this way, and
change it to suit the situation.


At the moment, since the original terabyte HDD had its OS bricked by
Microsoft, I now have two terabyte HDDs, so I have more space than I know
what to do with, so I might look up how to RAID them.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...e_system_2.jpg

And you don't have to use DVD either. Bluray
are available in 25GB and 100GB size.


I'm fine with low tech DVD. I don't have a blueray burner, although the
grandkids have a playstation 3 that I think is blueray in the game room.

There's
even an MDisc version of 100GB BR storage media.


DVD is old and reliable. We all tried those blue zip drives in the days of
old, and we can't read ANY of it nowadays.

But you'll have to be a rich guy to afford media
like that, as the manufacturer has decreed that
even though the manufacturing cost is the same, the
media (byte for byte) must be as expensive as DVD.


DVD is about 25 cents a disc, as I recall - which is fine by me.
The real thing is that I don't want fancy (like those zip contraptions we
all used in the past) which just don't work ten years from now. Nor hard
disc drives that will fail in the future or need proprietary power cords.

Been there too many times and lost the bet too many times already.
Nothing fancy for me.
Just old style DVDs.

You could easily end up spending $100 to back up
a small hard drive doing that. DVD has the advantage
of granularity, but also with the need to "keep
flippin the discs in" to finish the job. Which
I find... maddening.


That's why I keep one directory to a DVD size.
When the directory gets full, I back it up.
Or so I should!
  #22  
Old February 27th 18, 06:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
ultred ragnusen
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Shadow wrote:

AOMEI Backupper allows you to choose the size of the backup
files when you do a system backup, and you can choose DVD size. Since
they use (optional) compression, a HD with 10 -15 GB of files on it
would probably fit onto 2 DVDs.
It's free. Give it a try.


Sounds like a good tool, but I'd have to check if it uses any proprietary
compression formats, which I'm sick of, having been burned hundreds of
times in my lifetime with proprietary formats.

https://www.backup-utility.com/free-...software.html\

AOMEI Backupper Standard 4.0.6
https://www.backup-utility.com/download.html
  #23  
Old February 27th 18, 06:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Shadow wrote:

http://web.archive.org/web/20120111x.../X12-30196.exe


Hopeless, no resume and all downloads stop after 100-200MB


I redacted some of the characters because I wasn't sure if it was a URL for
just me, but now that I know the URL is generic, this is the URL he used.
http://web.archive.org/web/201201111.../X12-30196.exe

Looks like he installed the original (more) buggy 2007
version.
The last (less buggy) version (from 2011) was X16-69453.exe
I found it he

http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2.../X16-69453.exe


I don't know what the numbers mean, so may I ask what's the difference
between
- X12-30196.exe
- X16-69453.exe

Checksums appear to be OK.


Here is my checksum from the download you kindly provided (from msassist).
How do I know it's right?

---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: X16-69453.exe
Size: 169064886 bytes (161 MB)

CRC32: 187C16BB

CRC64: F20D53361E92C35B

SHA256: 1593ECCB15D6B50A4FDAA1CB9C8FEC51B107CB3E99D59C1DCD D13F95D372DCDA

SHA1: EA2A8AA5C528CEB3BAAA76F46B0A6B113561947B

BLAKE2sp: 312C5DD3B336A932C9D6A9BF19A494CF7E5A1D8A3F6647977C 3B26672D2F98A1

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------
  #24  
Old February 27th 18, 06:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Shadow wrote:

Well, I tried uGet, Firefox and cURL ....
Glad to hear it worked for you.
It's still the older non-patched version though ...


None of the Microsoft-provided URLs worked for me just now using IE (which
is what they used).
  #25  
Old February 27th 18, 06:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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"...w¡ñ§±¤ñ" wrote:

The link worked fine in IE, Edge, and SeaMonkey

X12-30196.exe from the above link
388 MB or 397,472 KB
Serial No. 61469ecb000400000065
Digital Signature Oct. 2006 indicates the RTM version(which would
require SP3 to bring up to date).
O2K7 SP3 =
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=27838


Since I had redacted some of the characters, I'm curious, how did you get
the link that MS used for me to work for you? (And why does it time out of
me when I try it now?)

http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/.../X16-69453.exe
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent..../X12-30283.exe
  #26  
Old February 27th 18, 07:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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ultred ragnusen wrote:
Shadow wrote:

http://web.archive.org/web/20120111x.../X12-30196.exe

Hopeless, no resume and all downloads stop after 100-200MB


I redacted some of the characters because I wasn't sure if it was a URL for
just me, but now that I know the URL is generic, this is the URL he used.
http://web.archive.org/web/201201111.../X12-30196.exe

Looks like he installed the original (more) buggy 2007
version.
The last (less buggy) version (from 2011) was X16-69453.exe
I found it he

http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2.../X16-69453.exe


I don't know what the numbers mean, so may I ask what's the difference
between
- X12-30196.exe
- X16-69453.exe

Checksums appear to be OK.


Here is my checksum from the download you kindly provided (from msassist).
How do I know it's right?

---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: X16-69453.exe
Size: 169064886 bytes (161 MB)

CRC32: 187C16BB

CRC64: F20D53361E92C35B

SHA256: 1593ECCB15D6B50A4FDAA1CB9C8FEC51B107CB3E99D59C1DCD D13F95D372DCDA

SHA1: EA2A8AA5C528CEB3BAAA76F46B0A6B113561947B

BLAKE2sp: 312C5DD3B336A932C9D6A9BF19A494CF7E5A1D8A3F6647977C 3B26672D2F98A1

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------


The numbers are part of labeling Stock Keeping Units.

Software is available for a number of languages or countries.

For example, a person in the US and a person in Canada, get
different media for OS installs when buying an OS at the store.
When I seen an item for sale, that lists something like that, I
try to trace down whether it's actually meant for my country
or not.

*******

As for your checksums, I ran a few on Virustotal.com and got no match.
I tried Google (who owns Virustotal) and got no match there either.
The software in question could have been repacked by someone.

Using your link, I started that msassist download too, and the
file is larger than 161MB. I got

X16-69453.exe 420,496,200 bytes
SHA256: EF7A104E2CD4A75B5EF1CBBDC7D0F51B26DDEEFFF2BF0C9CF7 3844FC0C5D76D7
SHA1: 8AFE76D90D07B76CD651E8AF144B403F110D5328

Again, Virustotal.com didn't have it, but because fo the size, only
the side-door "well-known ISOs" can be found in a search there.

Whereas using Google search, I end up here.

http://www.nsaneforums.com/topic/271...nal-plus-2007/

Somebody refers to those checksums as belonging to:

http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent..../X12-30196.exe

You need to re-download from the msassist site, as your file is *truncated*.

Also, if you check the properties of the file you got, there
is a digital signature tab. Which is potentially, another way
to detect alteration.

Paul
  #27  
Old February 27th 18, 08:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
ultred ragnusen
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Paul wrote:

You need to re-download from the msassist site, as your file is *truncated*.


Thanks Paul for checking up on that data.
This is interesting, so I tried again, where you were right! Thanks!

BTW, these seem to be the URLs given, so far, for the Office 2007 Pro iso.

1. From Microsoft, but didn't work for Micrsosoft or for me.
http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/.../X16-69453.exe

2. From Microsoft, and which is what they used, but it no longer works for
me.
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent..../X12-30283.exe

3. I don't remember who posted this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/201201111.../X12-30196.exe

4. From Shadow (see checksums from the second attempt below)
http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2.../X16-69453.exe

5. From Paul:
http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2.../X16-69453.exe

6. From Paul:
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent..../X12-30196.exe


Here are the checksums from the Shadow download #4 above (the second time).
---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: X16-69453.exe
Size: 420496200 bytes (401 MB)

CRC32: C7B5CFD5

CRC64: 8CEE0C2A3CED82CD

SHA256: EF7A104E2CD4A75B5EF1CBBDC7D0F51B26DDEEFFF2BF0C9CF7 3844FC0C5D76D7

SHA1: 8AFE76D90D07B76CD651E8AF144B403F110D5328

BLAKE2sp: 5AADD6C47870D8160AEA94A22B8D4F3E57E59154ED5AE2A8AE A39F76163AEF41

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------
  #28  
Old February 27th 18, 08:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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ultred ragnusen wrote:
Paul wrote:

You need to re-download from the msassist site, as your file is *truncated*.


Thanks Paul for checking up on that data.
This is interesting, so I tried again, where you were right! Thanks!

BTW, these seem to be the URLs given, so far, for the Office 2007 Pro iso.

1. From Microsoft, but didn't work for Micrsosoft or for me.
http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/.../X16-69453.exe

2. From Microsoft, and which is what they used, but it no longer works for
me.
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent..../X12-30283.exe

3. I don't remember who posted this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/201201111.../X12-30196.exe

4. From Shadow (see checksums from the second attempt below)
http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2.../X16-69453.exe

5. From Paul:
http://msassist.com/files/MSOffice/2.../X16-69453.exe

6. From Paul:
http://msft-dnl.digitalrivercontent..../X12-30196.exe


Here are the checksums from the Shadow download #4 above (the second time).
---------------------------
Checksum information
---------------------------
Name: X16-69453.exe
Size: 420496200 bytes (401 MB)

CRC32: C7B5CFD5

CRC64: 8CEE0C2A3CED82CD

SHA256: EF7A104E2CD4A75B5EF1CBBDC7D0F51B26DDEEFFF2BF0C9CF7 3844FC0C5D76D7

SHA1: 8AFE76D90D07B76CD651E8AF144B403F110D5328

BLAKE2sp: 5AADD6C47870D8160AEA94A22B8D4F3E57E59154ED5AE2A8AE A39F76163AEF41

---------------------------
OK
---------------------------


I didn't originate any of those links.

I just double checked on the hunch that the Office
file seemed "a little small". Usually Microsoft puts
more materials on their media, even if the "filler"
is a video or something.

Normally, I'd use Heidoc, but the site it pumps for the
files is retiring the content, and so a lot of stuff
is just gone. That happened in only the last few months.

DigitalRiver (a private company), the deal with Microsoft
was shut down some number of years ago. You cannot expect
the links from that era to remain functional. Whereas
an archive.org link could indeed have captured content,
but to avoid big bandwidth bills, they will sometimes
review the capture and remove stuff like that. Actually,
I'm quite surprised anything on the DigitalRiver site
would make it into archive.org because of Norobots.txt.
A commercial site, selling software, shouldn't really be
running without a Norobots.txt "showing in the window".

And downloading from random sites is OK, as long as you
have a relatively strong correlation signal that the
checksums are real. At one time, MDL used to have lists
of checksums. Or MSDN subscription site had MD5 in the
window for people to see (it took a while for them to
switch to SHA1). But they removed those hashes in an
attempt to reduce the trustworthiness of MSDN redistributed
content (so people Torrenting could no longer look
on the Microsoft site and verify the file really
was legit). It's just a wee bit harder today to vet
stuff, than several years ago. MDL hides some of their
posts (holds them in "members only" status), so Microsoft
cannot see what they're talking about. Plenty of paranoia
to go around, that's for sure.

Paul
  #29  
Old February 27th 18, 09:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
ultred ragnusen
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Default SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in the year 2018

Paul wrote:

I just double checked on the hunch that the Office
file seemed "a little small". Usually Microsoft puts
more materials on their media, even if the "filler"
is a video or something.


Well, for now, I'll keep what Microsoft downloaded and activated, and I'll
keep that software Shadow provided, just in case.

BTW, I finally found on the bricked HDD the 14 screenshots I had made of
exactly what happened to brick my system in late January. Bear in mind that
I had modified the OS such that Windows 10 Pro had /never/ updated
successfully ever before. I don't know how long I staved off that update
.... maybe more than a year ... maybe even two years? I don't remember how
long but it was long.

Then when it finally updated, WHAM! Microsoft bricked my system.
Here are the 14 screenshots...Can you make any sense out of what happened?

01 Your device needs the latest security updates (99%)
01 06:29AM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/My174i.jpg
I clicked on the "Learn More" button...

02 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=849060
02 06:30AM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/0lxuPw.jpg

04 Some versions of Windows 10 display a notification to install the latest
version
03 06:55AM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/Z2ZaDz.jpg

04 Update to the latest version of Windows 10
04 07:45PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/gQGe5w.jpg

05 Congratulations, this PC is compatible
05 07:45PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/Y34trY.jpg

06 Getting your update ready (0%)
06 07:46PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/FHzWVs.jpg

07 Getting your update ready (68%)
07 08:52PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/IF2Vlc.jpg

08 Getting your update ready (99%)
08 06:01AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/8v82ir.jpg

09 Update to the latest version of Windows 10
09 08:02AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/HfYA6Z.jpg

10 Checking device compatibility
10 08:02AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/SBiaqx.jpg

11 Congratulations, this PC is compatible
11 08:02AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/FwZLFW.jpg

12 Getting your update ready (0%)
12 08:03AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/Mu43Tx.jpg

13 Getting your update ready (92%)
13 10:12AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/3L67JF.jpg

14 Getting your update ready (99%)
14 02:47AM 27-Jan-18 Saturday http://i.cubeupload.com/tV9jYD.jpg

  #30  
Old February 27th 18, 11:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default SOLVED: How to download an ISO image for Office 2007 Pro in theyear 2018

ultred ragnusen wrote:
Paul wrote:

I just double checked on the hunch that the Office
file seemed "a little small". Usually Microsoft puts
more materials on their media, even if the "filler"
is a video or something.


Well, for now, I'll keep what Microsoft downloaded and activated, and I'll
keep that software Shadow provided, just in case.

BTW, I finally found on the bricked HDD the 14 screenshots I had made of
exactly what happened to brick my system in late January. Bear in mind that
I had modified the OS such that Windows 10 Pro had /never/ updated
successfully ever before. I don't know how long I staved off that update
... maybe more than a year ... maybe even two years? I don't remember how
long but it was long.

Then when it finally updated, WHAM! Microsoft bricked my system.
Here are the 14 screenshots...Can you make any sense out of what happened?

01 Your device needs the latest security updates (99%)
01 06:29AM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/My174i.jpg
I clicked on the "Learn More" button...

02 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=849060
02 06:30AM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/0lxuPw.jpg

04 Some versions of Windows 10 display a notification to install the latest
version
03 06:55AM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/Z2ZaDz.jpg

04 Update to the latest version of Windows 10
04 07:45PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/gQGe5w.jpg

05 Congratulations, this PC is compatible
05 07:45PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/Y34trY.jpg

06 Getting your update ready (0%)
06 07:46PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/FHzWVs.jpg

07 Getting your update ready (68%)
07 08:52PM 25-Jan-18 Thursday http://i.cubeupload.com/IF2Vlc.jpg

08 Getting your update ready (99%)
08 06:01AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/8v82ir.jpg

09 Update to the latest version of Windows 10
09 08:02AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/HfYA6Z.jpg

10 Checking device compatibility
10 08:02AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/SBiaqx.jpg

11 Congratulations, this PC is compatible
11 08:02AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/FwZLFW.jpg

12 Getting your update ready (0%)
12 08:03AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/Mu43Tx.jpg

13 Getting your update ready (92%)
13 10:12AM 26-Jan-18 Friday http://i.cubeupload.com/3L67JF.jpg

14 Getting your update ready (99%)
14 02:47AM 27-Jan-18 Saturday http://i.cubeupload.com/tV9jYD.jpg


OK, so that's the 16299 Upgrade from Nov 2017 or so.
The release is 1709 (September) but the release date
is mid-October, and I think I installed that in
early November (no problems to report). My Insider Editions
also received it - the Insider and the Release version
cross paths on Upgrades like that, and then the Insider
diverges again, to higher Release numbers.

In your case, your 16299 must have been gated by something, that
prevented it from being installed in the first place. In some cases,
it's as simple a thing as a missing video driver. If you install
from a DVD, it will actually run with the Microsoft Basic Display
Adapter (a.k.a. VESA in-box driver). Whereas that cute little stub
downloader method, it wouldn't go unless it had a real video
driver to use.

Some devices (tablets) are "harder to install" than other
computing devices. and the install recipe takes more time
to figure out and deploy. The 32GB eMMC flash equipped
tablets, are a little to short on storage space for
Upgrades to be entered easily.

When the install starts, Windows is copied to Windows.old.
Some (but not all) Program Files content is also copied to
Windows.old. This would include programs that MS wants to
delete because they're "not compatible" with the new OS.
The user is supposed to run off and download new Win32
style versions of the removed EXEs and friends.

A lot of the install process does "migration". This seems to
include reinstalling applications, using .msi files archived
on C: .

At the current time, the installer is designed to do as much
staging of the install as possible, before the machine starts
with the multiple reboot cycles. This is to reduce the time
the machine is unavailable to the user.

There are two log files. One log file covers the "copy files"
phase of installation and that's all. The second log file is
stored in a different place, and it keeps the results of the
multitude or reboots. The time stamps on the files are
also different, with one file using local time, and the
other file using UTC or something. I think my files have
a five hour difference or something, which complicates
relating what happened later.

I've never heard of the OS installer doing CHKDSK before
starting the install. It would generally be a good idea to
do that. The reason it doesn't normally happen, is Microsoft
invented a "background CHKDSK" process, that keeps track
of system state. (They released some P.R. material claiming
to have made the file system "more robust", but I've never
seen actual technical details.) And it should be removing
simple latent faults. It there is a fault in the file
system, it's not supposed to fester, and it should
be getting corrected. That's why the scan dialog claims
"you don't need to scan this partition, but suit yourself"
kind of message. It's bragging on their part.

However, my recent experience suggests that system is
switched off. I could see no evidence anything was
working to repair obvious problems. Which means the
checking it does, must be limited to journal style
checks and balances. "Did file A get installed, go check."
And done with journal logic. When I had file system problems,
they weren't repaired on a reboot. If a simple check is
being done on the partition at boot time, it didn't
do anything.

If you have latent faults in a file system, then you
do 20GB of writes to the drive, who knows what could
happen.

You seem convinced the drive is healthy today, and all
I can recommend, is keep track of C: health with CHKDSK
from now on. You don't have to run it every day, but you
also don't want another OS upgrade coming in, without
checking things out. There is another OS upgrade coming
soon, which is why they were in a hurry to shovel that
one into your machine.

Paul
 




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