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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message ... - Nehmo - Where is the event log? I get about 5 minuts between shutdowns. - Rod Speed - Control Panel/Performance and Maintenance/ Admin Tools/Event Viewer/System - Nehmo - I'm using old drive too. - Rod Speed - Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget, that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons. Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors. - Nehmo - I found event viewer by looking at Help. I didn't see anything that looked like a problem, but I don't know what to look for. Basically entrys with a red X in front of them in the System log. I called a friend of mine, Bret, who used to work at Cisco (and now is trying to run a FIGHT studio. He had his first two customers yesterday.) . When I explained, Bret said, "I'm 99% sure, and I don't usually say that, that it has something to do with the power settings." On his direction, I went into Windows setup (or I think BIOS means the same thing) Power Menu ACPI and although it was Yes, I changed it to No restarted went back into BIOS and changed it back to Yes. I think things are working now. It hasn't shut down again yet. OK. Now I have to get back to the drive problem. I've unplugged and replugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have come off. I think the cable is still electrically okay though. Best to replace it. Bret said I should just use Ghost. Yes, that certainly works. Drive Image too. He wasn't familiar with XXCLONE. Yeah, its only been released for a few weeks now. You appeared to be saying that you had used xxclone successfully. Isnt it working properly now that the acpi problem is fixed ? |
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"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrpte" Didn't work. I assumed the copy from old HD to new HD I had previously done with MaxBlast was the same as the copy it would do if I ran the program again, so I just proceeded with the remaining steps. I moved the jumpers to make the new drive master I removed the jumper to make the old drive slave I switched positions of the drives on the ATA cable to Black {end} connector to New HD Grey {middle} connector to Old HD I first started without the old drive connected. Windows XP began to start but stopped short and produced the Windows Product Activation box saying there was a problem with WPA, error code 0x80090006 . Just to make sure the disconnection of the old drive had nothing to do with it, I tried again this time with both drives connected as described above. The same error developed. So I returned things back the way they we jumpers old=master, new=slave ; ATA cable, black end to old , grey middle to new. Now things work as befo the OS is still on the old HD. My understanding of Win XP WPA is from http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm . When I installed XP (up form ME) on this machine, I had already added a NIC and some RAM. Now I'm trying to add a HD. So the only change in hardware categories is the HD. That shouldn't be enough to trigger WPA error. I'll have to call Maxtor and maybe Microsoft tomorrow. It frustrates me that these companies with global scope should have such narrow tech support hours. The weekends and after-normal-business-hours should not be dead time. It's sure taking a long time just to get a new drive in. I never had any luck with using MaxBlast to make a bootable copy of a WinXP drive. Drive Image 2002 has worked, although only if the source and destination drives are on the same MoBo IDE channel. (It never did work in any way using ATA133 PCI controller card channels.) BTW, two different tech reps at Maxtor commented to me that MaxBlast "isn't very good". But... people's mileage does vary. *TimDaniels* |
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"J.Clarke" wrote: FWIW, I had occasion to upgrade my XP box today-- downloaded the latest Drive Image, installed it, hooked up the new drive, told it to copy, was surprised that it copied the whole boot drive right over and that after I pulled the old drive the new one came right up. Haven't tried _imaging_ the boot drive, but copying worked fine. Was that Drive Image 7 or 7.01? (Version 7.01 is the downloadable "fix" for a buggy version 7. It can also be ordered on CD for $5 if you already bought ver 7.) *TimDaniels* |
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:21:07 GMT
"Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote: - tomcas - Did you follow steps 1 thru 6 on pg 23 and 24? http://maxtor.com/en/documentation/i...tion_guide.pdf - Nehmo - Okay, I'm going to try it. - Nehmo - Didn't work. I assumed the copy from old HD to new HD I had previously done with MaxBlast was the same as the copy it would do if I ran the program again, so I just proceeded with the remaining steps. I moved the jumpers to make the new drive master I removed the jumper to make the old drive slave I switched positions of the drives on the ATA cable to Black {end} connector to New HD Grey {middle} connector to Old HD I first started without the old drive connected. Windows XP began to start but stopped short and produced the Windows Product Activation box saying there was a problem with WPA, error code 0x80090006 . Did you go to Microsoft's site and plug that number into the knowledgebase? If not, try it. Just to make sure the disconnection of the old drive had nothing to do with it, I tried again this time with both drives connected as described above. The same error developed. So I returned things back the way they we jumpers old=master, new=slave ; ATA cable, black end to old , grey middle to new. Now things work as befo the OS is still on the old HD. My understanding of Win XP WPA is from http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm . When I installed XP (up form ME) on this machine, I had already added a NIC and some RAM. Now I'm trying to add a HD. So the only change in hardware categories is the HD. That shouldn't be enough to trigger WPA error. When product activation triggers it does _not_ give the message you report. I'll have to call Maxtor and maybe Microsoft tomorrow. It frustrates me that these companies with global scope should have such narrow tech support hours. The weekends and after-normal-business-hours should not be dead time. Microsoft however maintains a very extensive online database of problems and solutions. It's rare that I have to call them. It's sure taking a long time just to get a new drive in. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:37:03 -0800
"Timothy Daniels" wrote: "J.Clarke" wrote: FWIW, I had occasion to upgrade my XP box today-- downloaded the latest Drive Image, installed it, hooked up the new drive, told it to copy, was surprised that it copied the whole boot drive right over and that after I pulled the old drive the new one came right up. Haven't tried _imaging_ the boot drive, but copying worked fine. Was that Drive Image 7 or 7.01? (Version 7.01 is the downloadable "fix" for a buggy version 7. It can also be ordered on CD for $5 if you already bought ver 7.) It was 7.0 I believe--the download includes the fix in a separate directory from the ISO but I forgot to install it--thanks for reminding me. *TimDaniels* -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... tomcas wrote in message news Rod Speed wrote Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family. I recently cloned an IBM drive under 2K using the IBM utility Disk Manager 2000. It was relatively effortless. Not quick, but effortless. Not as far as bashing you over the head with the fact that the original drive needs to be physically unplugged for the first boot after the clone of the original boot drive it isnt. I'm not sure what you are talking about. IBM Disk Manager requires that you simply change the master/slave jumper settings. Compared to labor of installing an extra drive it doesn't seem to be a big deal. Thats the main thing that fangs inexperienced users on the bum time after time after time with the NT/2K/XP family. |
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It is easier to use one of the commerical products such as Norton's Ghost.
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You do actually mean clone and not write the image file to
the USB drive dont you ? Thats one area where there is lots of confusion with imaging programs that will also clone. They are quite different operations and both ghost and DI can do both. You wouldnt normally want to CLONE to a USB HD because you wouldnt normally want to boot from that cloned drive. Ron I actually want to clone the HD to the external USB drive in order to create a backup HD that I could plug into the laptop and go. This is motivated by my thought that HDs are vulnerable on laptops. I travel with mine in a motor home and need it for GPS navigation. I have ordered Ghost 2003 and will have it in about five days, so maybe I will be back on the NG with questions when I try to use it. Thanks for the help. -- Jim Walker Northern Va |
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tomcas wrote in message et... Rod Speed wrote tomcas wrote Rod Speed wrote Yeah, cloning a boot drive isnt effortless with XP or any of the NT/2K/XP family. I recently cloned an IBM drive under 2K using the IBM utility Disk Manager 2000. It was relatively effortless. Not quick, but effortless. Not as far as bashing you over the head with the fact that the original drive needs to be physically unplugged for the first boot after the clone of the original boot drive it isnt. I'm not sure what you are talking about. That a clone of the XP boot drive requires the original to be UNPLUGGED from the system for the first boot after the clone, otherwise XP gets VERY confused and you'll find that if you dont do that, it wont boot when the original drive is formatted. IBM Disk Manager requires that yousimply change the master/slave jumper settings. And just that isnt enough. Compared to labor of installing an extra drive it doesn't seem to be a big deal. Sure, but thats not the problem. Thats the main thing that fangs inexperienced users on the bum time after time after time with the NT/2K/XP family. |
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Jim Walker wrote in message ... You do actually mean clone and not write the image file to the USB drive dont you ? Thats one area where there is lots of confusion with imaging programs that will also clone. They are quite different operations and both ghost and DI can do both. You wouldnt normally want to CLONE to a USB HD because you wouldnt normally want to boot from that cloned drive. I actually want to clone the HD to the external USB drive in order to create a backup HD that I could plug into the laptop and go. This is motivated by my thought that HDs are vulnerable on laptops. I travel with mine in a motor home and need it for GPS navigation. OK, in that case cloning certainly allows a quick recovery from a hard drive failure. I have ordered Ghost 2003 and will have it in about five days, You could have got the free trial download immediately, but maybe you dont have enough bandwidth for that to be viable. It should do the job with a small risk that it wont like the particular USB implementation. It uses dos drivers for the USB and they arent completely bulletproof in the sense that they always work with all USB systems. Drive Image 2002 wont work because it does a clone of the entire physical drive at the dos level and there isnt any USB support at that level with DI 2002 Drive Image 7 will probably work if you boot from the DI CD and do the clone at that level. Might work from the Win boot too, havent tried that yet. so maybe I will be back on the NG with questions when I try to use it. Its not too bad now with 2003. A few ops are a little counter intuitive, particularly the first restore of an image file, it isnt obvious to many just where you have to click to specify the destination. Quite usable once you get the hang of it tho except for setting up image file ops over a network with an unsupported NIC. Thats rather too much for most normal users. |
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Ron
I will look at the Symantec site again. I didn't see the free trial offer. I am sure that I missed it. -- Jim Walker Northern Va |
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Actually, the DON'T have the free trialware of Ghost 2003, only the
Ghost 8.0 Corporate edition. Robert ------------------- Jim Walker wrote: Ron I will look at the Symantec site again. I didn't see the free trial offer. I am sure that I missed it. |
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In article , J.Clarke
writes On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:21:07 GMT "Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote: I first started without the old drive connected. Windows XP began to start but stopped short and produced the Windows Product Activation box saying there was a problem with WPA, error code 0x80090006 . Did you go to Microsoft's site and plug that number into the knowledgebase? If not, try it. Well I've just had the same thing happen to me as Nehmo, exact same error code, and if you type it into M$ knowledge base you get an explanation telling you that it is a product activation error caused because the o/s can no longer determine whether the license is correct anymore because the new HD serial no. doesn't produce the correct result for WPA to accept it. I'm paraphrasing a lot there. It didn't matter to my system that I only plugged in the new HD after I had cloned the old, it still gave the error. I have been able to do this before, but that was with FAT32 and not NTFS. Not sure if that made any difference. Just to make sure the disconnection of the old drive had nothing to do with it, I tried again this time with both drives connected as described above. The same error developed. So I returned things back the way they we jumpers old=master, new=slave ; ATA cable, black end to old , grey middle to new. Now things work as befo the OS is still on the old HD. My understanding of Win XP WPA is from http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.ht m . When I installed XP (up form ME) on this machine, I had already added a NIC and some RAM. Now I'm trying to add a HD. So the only change in hardware categories is the HD. That shouldn't be enough to trigger WPA error. When product activation triggers it does _not_ give the message you report. Well, in this instance, it does seem a WPA cause. And the solution? To do a repair install, which lost all startup settings, was requiring certain programs to be re-installed before they would run and even reported the HD size incorrectly. I have had to put the old drive back in again. Is there no way that the reference to the WPA code (and its relation to the old HD) could be edited in some way? Otherwise, my only solution is going to be to do a complete re-install, just because Micro$haft think WPA is an ideal solution to software piracy. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS only before sending me an email |
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- Nehmo -
I'm using old drive too. - Rod Speed - Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget, that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons. Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors. - Nehmo - I temporarily put aside the drive replacement/addition job until I can get the system running normally. I have to limit changes, so I can figure out what's to blame. I'll run my usual check-out stuff, and I'll try memtest86. http://www.memtest86.com/ ; It can't hurt. When I do something that ends up disabling the computer, it takes an emotional toll on me. I don't have a back up - no extra computer, and the HD isn't backed up either. During this last episode, a few times I had to start the computer, quickly start Outlook, and get an phone # before the computer shut down. (To add to the computer problem, and these things are unrelated to computers, I had to go to court, which usually goes bad for me, and my house's water pipes froze. I'm renting, but the landlord doesn't help with maintenance. Fortunately, once unfrozen, the pipes didn't leak, and I got a continuance from the judge.) I believe this shut down (ACPI) problem must be related to trying to change the drive. I don't know how it happened, though. - Nehmo - I found event viewer by looking at Help. I didn't see anything that looked like a problem, but I don't know what to look for. - Rod Speed - Basically entrys with a red X in front of them in the System log. - Nehmo - I'm getting to Event Viewer by. Start All Programs Administrative Tools Event Viewer There is one recurring red-X item: The Concord EyeQ Duo 2000 USB Video Capture V1.00 service failed to start due to the following error: The system cannot find the file specified. This attempted start is a remnant form some camera software I installed and uninstalled. There must be a registry entry somewhere that causes the system to try and start it. But this can't be the cause of any recent problems because I uninstalled Concord several weeks ago. I'm also getting a lot of True Victor failed starts. True Victor is a part of Zone Alarm, and ZA warns you when TV fails to start. Then you have the option to start it again. It usually starts properly and works when started at that point. - Nehmo - I haven't restarted a bunch of times since I solved the ACPI peculiarity - Actually, I now realize that's not completely solved. After I reset the ACPI power option in the BIOS to Yes (even though it appeared to be Yes when I first looked at it), I set the power settings in Desktop Properties to not turn anything off (for the benefit of those unfamiliar with the process, I'm presenting this in detail). On Desktop rightclick properties Desktop Properties window Screen Saver tab Screen Saver set at None press Power button Power Options Properties window Power schemes = Home/Office Desk All dropdown setting for Home/Office Desk = Never, that is never turn off anything and never go to standby Immediately after the ACPI fix (?), the system seemed to operate normally. The computer and monitor stayed on all night. However, now I see it going off after a while of idle time. And I mean "off" as before, the light on the front of the box goes out, monitor stops getting a signal, but the processor fan keeps running. I can't turn everything off and on again by the front button; I have to unplug and re-plug. - Nehmo - I went into Windows setup (or I think BIOS means the same thing) Power Menu ACPI and although it was Yes, I changed it to No restarted went back into BIOS and changed it back to Yes. I think things are working now. It hasn't shut down again yet. - Rod Speed - OK. - Nehmo - Now I have to get back to the drive problem. I've unplugged and re-plugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have come off. I think the cable is still electrically okay though. - Rod Speed - Best to replace it. - Nehmo - Now you've got me worried. This drive stuff is so touchy, I think I shouldn't use anything suspicious. I'll have to go out and buy a ribbon somewhere. There's no place open around here. I live right in downtown Kansas City, Kansas, but the downtown is blighted. - Nehmo - He wasn't familiar with XXCLONE. - Rod Speed - Yeah, its only been released for a few weeks now. You appeared to be saying that you had used xxclone successfully. Isnt it working properly now that the acpi problem is fixed ? - Nehmo - According to what XXCLONE tells the user, one disk is successfully copied to the other. After the XXCLONE completes process, it brags that the new drive is ready and can boot all on its own. I changed to jumpers to make the new drive master and the old slave, and I changed the positions of the drives on the cable: new drive=end, old drive=middle. I left the old drive unplugged for the first boot up. It took three attempts to boot up. The BIOS provided different screens, I don't remember exactly, but the last one had three options for locations of the OS, I think it was disk 0, p (apparently for partition) 1. Then Windows started. I couldn't get into System Restore. When I tried, a warning popped up saying the app had encountered a problem and needs to close - this was before it even opened. Additionally, the shortcut icons for Word documents were changed to one of the non-descript icons. I think it was the same as the one Explorer uses for dat files. Clicking on these icons did cause Word to start, but first it gave a warning that I should run setup (I guess it means Office setup) and Repair. Then Word would start, apparently normally. Although these problems seem fixable, Bret advised me to abandon that HD copy and try again with Ghost. I just installed Symantec Ghost Enterprise Edition. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote in message ... - Nehmo - I'm using old drive too. - Rod Speed - Yeah, thats what I meant to say last time and managed to forget, that its unlikely to be anything to do with the drive copying. Its likely the system has become very unstable for other reasons. Try memtest86 on it to check for memory errors. - Nehmo - I temporarily put aside the drive replacement/addition job until I can get the system running normally. I have to limit changes, so I can figure out what's to blame. Yeah, thats the best approach, resolve the instability problem before trying to clone the drive. I'll run my usual check-out stuff, and I'll try memtest86. http://www.memtest86.com/ ; It can't hurt. Yep, that does eliminate one possibility if it finds no errors. When I do something that ends up disabling the computer, it takes an emotional toll on me. Yeah, the damned things are still much more complicated than they should be. Whoever claimed that computers would simplify our lives was obviously a stupid journalist who had never actually used one for anything much |-( I don't have a back up - no extra computer, Urk, wouldnt like to be in that situation again. and the HD isn't backed up either. Triple urk. I wouldnt operate like that myself. I'd personally do something about that before doing anything else. At least write the stuff thats irreplaceable to multiple CDs, even if I had to run out and buy a burner to do that. And I'd image the drives to the burner before changing anything around too. During this last episode, a few times I had to start the computer, quickly start Outlook, and get an phone # before the computer shut down. Yeah, I can rather vividly remember the last time I was in that situation. Fortunately it had developed a warmup fault and I could get it to boot up for a bit by leaving the sun shining on the motherboard so I could chase up the replacement motherboard using the phone numbers that were stored on that PC. Wont ever happen again, I never have just one PC anymore. (To add to the computer problem, and these things are unrelated to computers, I had to go to court, which usually goes bad for me, and my house's water pipes froze. I'm renting, but the landlord doesn't help with maintenance. You've been walking on graves again havent you ? |-) Fortunately, once unfrozen, the pipes didn't leak, They never freeze around here, and I built the entire house myself, so its me that gets to do any repairs to it now. and I got a continuance from the judge.) I dont end up in court myself. I believe this shut down (ACPI) problem must be related to trying to change the drive. Not likely unless you managed to reset the cmos settings in the process. Thats usually enablable and disableable in the bios. I don't know how it happened, though. Maybe you reset the bios in the process of changing things around. - Nehmo - I found event viewer by looking at Help. I didn't see anything that looked like a problem, but I don't know what to look for. - Rod Speed - Basically entrys with a red X in front of them in the System log. - Nehmo - I'm getting to Event Viewer by. Start All Programs Administrative Tools Event Viewer Thats fine. There is one recurring red-X item: The Concord EyeQ Duo 2000 USB Video Capture V1.00 service failed to start due to the following error: The system cannot find the file specified. This attempted start is a remnant form some camera software I installed and uninstalled. There must be a registry entry somewhere that causes the system to try and start it. But this can't be the cause of any recent problems because I uninstalled Concord several weeks ago. Yeah, its just another quirk thats been lurking for a while. Worth checking the event viewer, particularly after signficant changes like that. I'm also getting a lot of True Victor failed starts. True Victor is a part of Zone Alarm, and ZA warns you when TV fails to start. Then you have the option to start it again. It usually starts properly and works when started at that point. - Nehmo - I haven't restarted a bunch of times since I solved the ACPI peculiarity - Actually, I now realize that's not completely solved. After I reset the ACPI power option in the BIOS to Yes (even though it appeared to be Yes when I first looked at it), I set the power settings in Desktop Properties to not turn anything off (for the benefit of those unfamiliar with the process, I'm presenting this in detail). On Desktop rightclick properties Desktop Properties window Screen Saver tab Screen Saver set at None press Power button Power Options Properties window Power schemes = Home/Office Desk All dropdown setting for Home/Office Desk = Never, that is never turn off anything and never go to standby That shouldnt be necessary. Immediately after the ACPI fix (?), the system seemed to operate normally. The computer and monitor stayed on all night. However, now I see it going off after a while of idle time. And I mean "off" as before, the light on the front of the box goes out, monitor stops getting a signal, but the processor fan keeps running. Thats odd. But it appears to just be turning the monitor off. I can't turn everything off and on again by the front button; What have you told XP to do with that button ? Thats in Power Options. I have to unplug and re-plug. You may have to do a clean install of XP again. It can get a bit confused when you change the ACPI in the bios from what it was when installed. Thats only likely to affect that return from standby tho. - Nehmo - I went into Windows setup (or I think BIOS means the same thing) Power Menu ACPI and although it was Yes, I changed it to No restarted went back into BIOS and changed it back to Yes. I think things are working now. It hasn't shut down again yet. - Rod Speed - OK. - Nehmo - Now I have to get back to the drive problem. I've unplugged and re-plugged the ATA ribbon so many times (I used long nose pliers) that the pieces of plastic _over_ the end connectors have come off. I think the cable is still electrically okay though. - Rod Speed - Best to replace it. - Nehmo - Now you've got me worried. This drive stuff is so touchy, I think I shouldn't use anything suspicious. I'll have to go out and buy a ribbon somewhere. There's no place open around here. I live right in downtown Kansas City, Kansas, but the downtown is blighted. Yeah, seen it on that Trauma series. - Nehmo - He wasn't familiar with XXCLONE. - Rod Speed - Yeah, its only been released for a few weeks now. You appeared to be saying that you had used xxclone successfully. Isnt it working properly now that the acpi problem is fixed ? - Nehmo - According to what XXCLONE tells the user, one disk is successfully copied to the other. After the XXCLONE completes process, it brags that the new drive is ready and can boot all on its own. I changed to jumpers to make the new drive master and the old slave, and I changed the positions of the drives on the cable: new drive=end, old drive=middle. I left the old drive unplugged for the first boot up. It took three attempts to boot up. The BIOS provided different screens, I don't remember exactly, but the last one had three options for locations of the OS, I think it was disk 0, p (apparently for partition) 1. Then Windows started. Yeah, different bios do things differently on specifying what to boot from. I couldn't get into System Restore. When I tried, a warning popped up saying the app had encountered a problem and needs to close - this was before it even opened. Additionally, the shortcut icons for Word documents were changed to one of the non-descript icons. I think it was the same as the one Explorer uses for dat files. Clicking on these icons did cause Word to start, but first it gave a warning that I should run setup (I guess it means Office setup) and Repair. Then Word would start, apparently normally. OK, havent gotten around to trying xxclone myself yet, or that other effect that Larry mentioned, that the order of the drive numbers as seen in XP can make a difference to whether a clone without removing the original for the first boot after clone has been done makes a difference. Although these problems seem fixable, Bret advised me to abandon that HD copy and try again with Ghost. Yeah, its certainly a more known quantity since its been around for much longer. I just installed Symantec Ghost Enterprise Edition. Its a bit of a handful. If you dont find it obvious to use, try Ghost 2003. Its usually available on kazaa |
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