Install Excl 2003?

On 4/21/2018 8:29 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 12:42:33 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 06:55:09 -0400, SC Tom wrote:

I don't remember why I chose Geek over Revo other than at the time I
switched, Revo Free did not support 64-bit systems, and Geek did.

Yes, same here. Is Revo free still a 32-bit program?



Yes, but like most 32-bit programs, it supports both 32-bit and 64-bit
versions of Windows.

Works great on my w7 x64 ult.

Revo Uninstaller Free 2.0 gets full 64-bit support
https://betanews.com/2016/08/05/revo...4-bit-support/

Release history of Revo Uninstaller Freeware
https://www.revouninstaller.com/revo...n_history.html

August 04, 2016 Revo Uninstaller Freeware version 2.0.0

Added - Full 64-bit support
Added - Details Panel about selected program in Icon view
Added - Еxport command(for the list of installed programs and
leftovers)
Improved User Interface
Improved Hunter Mode
Improved all 8 additional tools
Many minor improvements

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 16:26:02 -0700, Mike S wrote:

On 4/21/2018 8:29 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 12:42:33 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 06:55:09 -0400, SC Tom wrote:

I don't remember why I chose Geek over Revo other than at the time I
switched, Revo Free did not support 64-bit systems, and Geek did.

Yes, same here. Is Revo free still a 32-bit program?



Yes, but like most 32-bit programs, it supports both 32-bit and 64-bit
versions of Windows.

Works great on my w7 x64 ult.

Revo Uninstaller Free 2.0 gets full 64-bit support
https://betanews.com/2016/08/05/revo...4-bit-support/

Release history of Revo Uninstaller Freeware
https://www.revouninstaller.com/revo...n_history.html

August 04, 2016 Revo Uninstaller Freeware version 2.0.0

Added - Full 64-bit support
Added - Details Panel about selected program in Icon view
Added - ?xport command(for the list of installed programs and
leftovers)
Improved User Interface
Improved Hunter Mode
Improved all 8 additional tools
Many minor improvements

How does it compare to Soft Organizer ?

https://www.chemtable.com/soft-organizer.htm

Does it monitor everything the program does on install and
when it's run ?
I found that if I monitor with Soft Organizer, then uninstall
with Geek Uninstaller, and THEN uninstall with Soft Organizer, Geek
Uninstaller sometimes misses hundreds of registry entries and files.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:15:29 -0300, Shadow wrote:


How does it compare to Soft Organizer ?

https://www.chemtable.com/soft-organizer.htm

Does it monitor everything the program does on install and
when it's run ?
I found that if I monitor with Soft Organizer, then uninstall
with Geek Uninstaller, and THEN uninstall with Soft Organizer, Geek
Uninstaller sometimes misses hundreds of registry entries and files.



I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it. But
I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice, but
in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me. Mistakenly
clearing out something that is actually needed can be disastrous.

I'm not saying Soft Organizer is bad and should never be used; again I
know nothing about it. But I am saying that any such program should be
approached with the greatest caution.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it.
But I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice,
but in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me.
Mistakenly clearing out something that is actually needed can be
disastrous.

That's what the automatic restore points are for.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:24:29 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it.
But I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice,
but in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me.
Mistakenly clearing out something that is actually needed can be
disastrous.

That's what the automatic restore points are for.



Yes, and they are great *unless* the registry editing leaves you with
an unbootable computer, which sometimes happens.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:15:29 -0300, Shadow wrote:


How does it compare to Soft Organizer ?

https://www.chemtable.com/soft-organizer.htm

Does it monitor everything the program does on install and
when it's run ?
I found that if I monitor with Soft Organizer, then uninstall
with Geek Uninstaller, and THEN uninstall with Soft Organizer, Geek
Uninstaller sometimes misses hundreds of registry entries and files.



I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it. But
I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice, but
in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me. Mistakenly
clearing out something that is actually needed can be disastrous.

It only removes registry entries created by the installer. And
reverses any that might have been changed by the installer, or by
running the program.
So no danger there. Been using it for years with no bad
effects. It's NOT a "cleaner", it's an uninstaller.
Something like ZSoft Uninstaller (which I think was
abandoned).
[]'s

I'm not saying Soft Organizer is bad and should never be used; again I
know nothing about it. But I am saying that any such program should be
approached with the greatest caution.
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:31:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:15:29 -0300, Shadow wrote:


How does it compare to Soft Organizer ?

https://www.chemtable.com/soft-organizer.htm

Does it monitor everything the program does on install and
when it's run ?
I found that if I monitor with Soft Organizer, then uninstall
with Geek Uninstaller, and THEN uninstall with Soft Organizer, Geek
Uninstaller sometimes misses hundreds of registry entries and files.



I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it. But
I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice, but
in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me. Mistakenly
clearing out something that is actually needed can be disastrous.

It only removes registry entries created by the installer.


In theory, yes. My concern is that it might do something it wasn't
meant to do.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:40:07 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:31:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:15:29 -0300, Shadow wrote:


How does it compare to Soft Organizer ?

https://www.chemtable.com/soft-organizer.htm

Does it monitor everything the program does on install and
when it's run ?
I found that if I monitor with Soft Organizer, then uninstall
with Geek Uninstaller, and THEN uninstall with Soft Organizer, Geek
Uninstaller sometimes misses hundreds of registry entries and files.



I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it. But
I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice, but
in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me. Mistakenly
clearing out something that is actually needed can be disastrous.

It only removes registry entries created by the installer.


In theory, yes. My concern is that it might do something it wasn't
meant to do.

It does. The retail version sometimes flashes a MSG Box asking
you to "like" it on Facebook.
The horror !!!
I mean that seriously.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

SC Tom wrote:
Geek Uninstaller
Thanks.

Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 22:15:29 -0300, Shadow wrote:


How does it compare to Soft Organizer ?

https://www.chemtable.com/soft-organizer.htm

Does it monitor everything the program does on install and
when it's run ?
I found that if I monitor with Soft Organizer, then uninstall
with Geek Uninstaller, and THEN uninstall with Soft Organizer, Geek
Uninstaller sometimes misses hundreds of registry entries and files.



I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it. But
I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice, but
in practice it has next to no value.
* Well, some programs look at the registry for a "footprint" and base
installation "progress" accordingly (eg: refuse to install, or to work,
or, or...).


2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me. Mistakenly
clearing out something that is actually needed can be disastrous.

I'm not saying Soft Organizer is bad and should never be used; again I
know nothing about it. But I am saying that any such program should be
approached with the greatest caution.

mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it.
But I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice,
but in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me.
Mistakenly clearing out something that is actually needed can be
disastrous.

That's what the automatic restore points are for.

ONLY,,, they are NOT automatic.
I have never seen one (Win2K, WinXP, Win7).
And nobody tells you how to FORCE one.

Noodling around, i find "By default, Windows won’t create an
automatic restore point if another restore point has been created in the
last 24 hours. This does not prevent you from creating a manual restore
point"

That must mean 24 hours of continuous operation - so shutdown (TOTAL
POWER OFF) after say 5 hours of use kills the process (never seen it).

Instructions for manual creating restore point are totally useless
(for Win 8 etc).

Robert Baer wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it.
But I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice,
but in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me.
Mistakenly clearing out something that is actually needed can be
disastrous.

That's what the automatic restore points are for.

ONLY,,, they are NOT automatic.
I have never seen one (Win2K, WinXP, Win7).
And nobody tells you how to FORCE one.

Noodling around, i find "By default, Windows won’t create an automatic
restore point if another restore point has been created in the last 24
hours. This does not prevent you from creating a manual restore point"

That must mean 24 hours of continuous operation - so shutdown (TOTAL
POWER OFF) after say 5 hours of use kills the process (never seen it).

Instructions for manual creating restore point are totally useless
(for Win 8 etc).

Manual restore points work.

The frequency of automatic restore points varies with OS.

It's around daily on something like WinXP.

It's around once a week or so for modern OSes.
And Windows 10 has, on occasion, turned it off, so you really
have to check it's enabled on Windows 10.

Computers were never meant to be consistent :-/ so don't
be surprised if "YMMV".

As an example, one person in this thread comments that the
script on this page, is "erasing the old restore points".
Well, that happens if you don't set the storage space
allocation large enough for it.

http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/cr...-8-7-vista-xp/

Paul

In message , Robert Baer
writes:
mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 08:30:20 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I've never heard of Soft Organizer, so I have no opinion about it.
But I have two comments:

1. Clearing out unneeded registry entries and files sounds nice,
but in practice it has next to no value.

2. Any program that clears out registry entries scares me.
Mistakenly clearing out something that is actually needed can be
disastrous.

That's what the automatic restore points are for.

ONLY,,, they are NOT automatic.

Ken Blake or mechanic may have been referring to the automatic restore
points made by Soft Organiser, rather than Windows itself. I've never
used (or heard of until this thread!) Soft Organiser, but several things
- Registry First Aid and Revo Uninstaller for example - automatically
create a restore point before they perform their main function. (In fact
I don't think, in either of those, you can prevent them from doing so.)

I have never seen one (Win2K, WinXP, Win7).

It's rather too easy (IMO - I'm sure those who decry them anyway, won't
agree) for their creation to be turned off; what's more irritating is
that if the creation _is_ turned off, the action of doing so also
deletes already-created ones. (ERUNT is arguably better, in that the
ones it creates are never deleted unless _you_ delete them. But it
doesn't have any automatic option, AFAIK.)

And nobody tells you how to FORCE one.

[Have you searched the entire internet (-:?] I'd agree that manually
instigating the creation of a restore point could certainly be made a
lot more intuitive.

Noodling around, i find "By default, Windows won’t create an
automatic restore point if another restore point has been created in
the last 24 hours. This does not prevent you from creating a manual
restore point"

That must mean 24 hours of continuous operation - so shutdown (TOTAL
POWER OFF) after say 5 hours of use kills the process (never seen it).

You may have it turned off anyway. (I don't know if it is 24 hours'
continuous, or just at a predefined time [which could still prevent it
if you always have your computer off at that time].)

Instructions for manual creating restore point are totally useless
(for Win 8 etc).

Which instructions? If you mean the Microsoft ones as built into
Windows, I'd agree (up to 7 - I haven't seen them for later). I'd be
surprised if there aren't followable instructions on the web somewhere,
though.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'. Professor Edzart Ernst, prudential
magazine, AUTUMN 2006, p. 13.

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
Manual restore points work.

The frequency of automatic restore points varies with OS.

It's around daily on something like WinXP.

It's around once a week or so for modern OSes.
And Windows 10 has, on occasion, turned it off, so you really
have to check it's enabled on Windows 10.

Not only 10; I think I've seen them turned off on XP and 7. (Though
whether the culprit was Windows itself or some other installed software,
I'm not sure.)
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'. Professor Edzart Ernst, prudential
magazine, AUTUMN 2006, p. 13.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 14:13:28 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Which instructions? If you mean the Microsoft ones as built into
Windows, I'd agree (up to 7 - I haven't seen them for later). I'd
be surprised if there aren't followable instructions on the web
somewhere, though.

Strewth JP! There's a button marked 'create a restore point right
now' and you just have to hit it. What could be simpler?