ghosting

I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same capacity?
For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs. My
main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?

That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to ask in;
symantec.customerservice.general

However, I'll answer the query here.

If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you now have an exact
copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.

If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now have an exact copy
of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would not be a good
idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a smaller hard disk to
a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create a Ghost image of
the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost image is created
on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot off a Ghost Book
Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with said images.

Dave




" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
| I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same capacity?
| For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs. My
| main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
|
|
|

OK thanks!
"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
...
That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to
ask in;
symantec.customerservice.general

However, I'll answer the query here.

If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
now have an exact
copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.

If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
have an exact copy
of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would
not be a good
idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
smaller hard disk to
a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create
a Ghost image of
the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost
image is created
on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
off a Ghost Book
Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
said images.

Dave




" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
| I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
capacity?
| For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
My
| main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
|
|
|

The file system on the disk that the image is on can be either FAT32 or
NTFS. The Ghost 2003 application, when run from the Ghost Boot Disk, has no
problem at all in seeing an NTFS partition and the image that you put on it.
I also don't understand your comments about disk size. As long as the
amount of data doesn't exceed the disk size I don't see any reason why it's
not a good idea to go from a 60gb to a 40gb, other than the obvious lose of
spare disk. If all you have is a spare 40gb, why not. The restored image
will work just fine on the 40gb.

"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
...
That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to
ask in;
symantec.customerservice.general

However, I'll answer the query here.

If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
now have an exact
copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.

If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now have
an exact copy
of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would
not be a good
idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
smaller hard disk to
a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create a
Ghost image of
the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost
image is created
on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot off
a Ghost Book
Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with said
images.

Dave




" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
| I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
capacity?
| For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs. My
| main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
|
|
|

While Ghost 2003, a win32 GUI, may read and see a Ghost image on a NTFS disk, you will NOT
be able to do so if you boot from a Ghost Boot Disk which, as I stated, boots either PC-DOS
or MS-DOS. GHOST.EXE found on a Ghost Boot Disk is a DOS program that can NOT read NTFS.
If you were to use the TCP/IP peer-to-peer mode to transfer an image on a NTFS disk, you
would NOT be able to. If you were to boot a
Ghost Boot Disk and image drive "C:" to a NTFS drive "D:" you would NOT be able to see drive
"D:".

The capabilities of Ghost is *best* exploited when booting from a Ghost Boot Disk because
when you do so you are NOT running the OS from the hard disk and there are no file handles
open and the image of the hard disk will be 100% intact and perfect.

It is NOT a good idea to downsize an OS from a large to a smaller hard disk. While it is
truly possible, it is an inane solution. I have *never* seen the situation where one wants
to go to a smaller disk while there is always the situation where a higher capacity drive is
required due to the fact one is running out of disk space.

Please study the use of Ghost and all its capabilities. I have. I use Ghost 2003
personally and I use Ghost Enterprise (v7~v8) professionally.

As I have stated befo
Ghost is the only Symantec product I swear by and not swear at.

BTW: I suggest the following URL to get the PDF files on the documentation of the various
Ghost versions.
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ghost/manuals/

Dave




"Norm" wrote in message
.. .
| The file system on the disk that the image is on can be either FAT32 or
| NTFS. The Ghost 2003 application, when run from the Ghost Boot Disk, has no
| problem at all in seeing an NTFS partition and the image that you put on it.
| I also don't understand your comments about disk size. As long as the
| amount of data doesn't exceed the disk size I don't see any reason why it's
| not a good idea to go from a 60gb to a 40gb, other than the obvious lose of
| spare disk. If all you have is a spare 40gb, why not. The restored image
| will work just fine on the 40gb.
|
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in message
| ...
| That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to
| ask in;
| symantec.customerservice.general
|
| However, I'll answer the query here.
|
| If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
| now have an exact
| copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.
|
| If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now have
| an exact copy
| of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would
| not be a good
| idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
| smaller hard disk to
| a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create a
| Ghost image of
| the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost
| image is created
| on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot off
| a Ghost Book
| Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with said
| images.
|
| Dave
|
|
|
|
| " Komboloi" wrote in message
| ...
| | I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
| capacity?
| | For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs. My
| | main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
| I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
capacity?
| For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
My
| main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?


"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
...
That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to
ask in;
symantec.customerservice.general

However, I'll answer the query here.

If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
now have an exact
copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.

If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
have an exact copy
of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would
not be a good
idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
smaller hard disk to
a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create
a Ghost image of
the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost
image is created
on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
off a Ghost Book
Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
said images.

Dave

Dave:
I'm puzzled by your admonition that it is not wise to clone a larger
capacity hard drive to a a drive of smaller capacity. As long as the
destination disk has sufficient capacity to hold the contents of the cloned
data, why should this pose a problem? Over the years I've used various
versions of Symantec's Norton Ghost program to clone hundreds of hard
drives, frequently cloning from a hard drive of larger capacity to one of
smaller capacity. To my knowledge I've never run into a problem that I could
attribute to the fact that I cloned data from a source disk that had a
larger capacity then the destination disk.

I'm similarly puzzled by your statement re the FAT32 - NTFS file systems as
it involves the cloning operation. Again, I've cloned hundreds of XP
operating systems containing NTFS file systems and have never had a problem
or issue in this area relative to the cloning operation. As far as I can
tell the cloning operation should proceed smoothly regardless of whether the
cloned contents are FAT32 or NTFS.

Art

No! If you mean Norton Ghost, you cn fit a backup on any drive with enough
room. However, if you plan to mirror the drive, it must be as big, or
bigger, than the primary.
" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
capacity?
For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs. My
main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?

Art:

Please see my other reply to "Norm" and we can go from there.

Dave





"Art" wrote in message
...
| " Komboloi" wrote in message
| ...
| | I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
| capacity?
| | For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
| My
| | main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
|
|
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in message
| ...
| That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to
| ask in;
| symantec.customerservice.general
|
| However, I'll answer the query here.
|
| If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
| now have an exact
| copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.
|
| If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
| have an exact copy
| of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would
| not be a good
| idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
| smaller hard disk to
| a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create
| a Ghost image of
| the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost
| image is created
| on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
| off a Ghost Book
| Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
| said images.
|
| Dave
|
| Dave:
| I'm puzzled by your admonition that it is not wise to clone a larger
| capacity hard drive to a a drive of smaller capacity. As long as the
| destination disk has sufficient capacity to hold the contents of the cloned
| data, why should this pose a problem? Over the years I've used various
| versions of Symantec's Norton Ghost program to clone hundreds of hard
| drives, frequently cloning from a hard drive of larger capacity to one of
| smaller capacity. To my knowledge I've never run into a problem that I could
| attribute to the fact that I cloned data from a source disk that had a
| larger capacity then the destination disk.
|
| I'm similarly puzzled by your statement re the FAT32 - NTFS file systems as
| it involves the cloning operation. Again, I've cloned hundreds of XP
| operating systems containing NTFS file systems and have never had a problem
| or issue in this area relative to the cloning operation. As far as I can
| tell the cloning operation should proceed smoothly regardless of whether the
| cloned contents are FAT32 or NTFS.
|
| Art
|
|

Bullsh#t. If you haven't an answer. don't pretend you do.
" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
OK thanks!
"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
...
That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos
to
ask in;
symantec.customerservice.general

However, I'll answer the query here.

If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
now have an exact
copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.

If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
have an exact copy
of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this
would
not be a good
idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
smaller hard disk to
a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create
a Ghost image of
the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a
Ghost
image is created
on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
off a Ghost Book
Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
said images.

Dave




" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
| I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
capacity?
| For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
My
| main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
|
|
|

This is why I don't like discussing Off Topic matter. This is a WinXP News Group not a
Symantec support News Group so there can be a lot of static, such as this reply, and the
discussion is not apropos to this News Group.

Dave



"BarCom" wrote in message
...
| Bullsh#t. If you haven't an answer. don't pretend you do.

I think Ghost has a 1 to 1 mirror. If yu use that, the target has to be as
big, or bigger, than the source.


"Norm" wrote in message
.. .
The file system on the disk that the image is on can be either FAT32 or
NTFS. The Ghost 2003 application, when run from the Ghost Boot Disk, has
no
problem at all in seeing an NTFS partition and the image that you put on
it.
I also don't understand your comments about disk size. As long as the
amount of data doesn't exceed the disk size I don't see any reason why
it's
not a good idea to go from a 60gb to a 40gb, other than the obvious lose
of
spare disk. If all you have is a spare 40gb, why not. The restored image
will work just fine on the 40gb.

"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
...
That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to
ask in;
symantec.customerservice.general

However, I'll answer the query here.

If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
now have an exact
copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.

If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
have
an exact copy
of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would
not be a good
idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
smaller hard disk to
a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create
a
Ghost image of
the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost
image is created
on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
off
a Ghost Book
Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
said
images.

Dave




" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
| I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
capacity?
| For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
My
| main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
|
|
|

Did I miss something about cloning? I don't believe it was part of the
inquiry.
"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
...
While Ghost 2003, a win32 GUI, may read and see a Ghost image on a NTFS
disk, you will NOT
be able to do so if you boot from a Ghost Boot Disk which, as I stated,
boots either PC-DOS
or MS-DOS. GHOST.EXE found on a Ghost Boot Disk is a DOS program that can
NOT read NTFS.
If you were to use the TCP/IP peer-to-peer mode to transfer an image on a
NTFS disk, you
would NOT be able to. If you were to boot a
Ghost Boot Disk and image drive "C:" to a NTFS drive "D:" you would NOT be
able to see drive
"D:".

The capabilities of Ghost is *best* exploited when booting from a Ghost
Boot Disk because
when you do so you are NOT running the OS from the hard disk and there are
no file handles
open and the image of the hard disk will be 100% intact and perfect.

It is NOT a good idea to downsize an OS from a large to a smaller hard
disk. While it is
truly possible, it is an inane solution. I have *never* seen the
situation where one wants
to go to a smaller disk while there is always the situation where a higher
capacity drive is
required due to the fact one is running out of disk space.

Please study the use of Ghost and all its capabilities. I have. I use
Ghost 2003
personally and I use Ghost Enterprise (v7~v8) professionally.

As I have stated befo
Ghost is the only Symantec product I swear by and not swear at.

BTW: I suggest the following URL to get the PDF files on the
documentation of the various
Ghost versions.
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ghost/manuals/

Dave




"Norm" wrote in message
.. .
| The file system on the disk that the image is on can be either FAT32 or
| NTFS. The Ghost 2003 application, when run from the Ghost Boot Disk,
has no
| problem at all in seeing an NTFS partition and the image that you put on
it.
| I also don't understand your comments about disk size. As long as the
| amount of data doesn't exceed the disk size I don't see any reason why
it's
| not a good idea to go from a 60gb to a 40gb, other than the obvious lose
of
| spare disk. If all you have is a spare 40gb, why not. The restored
image
| will work just fine on the 40gb.
|
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in message
| ...
| That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos
to
| ask in;
| symantec.customerservice.general
|
| However, I'll answer the query here.
|
| If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk,
you
| now have an exact
| copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.
|
| If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
have
| an exact copy
| of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this
would
| not be a good
| idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
| smaller hard disk to
| a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to
create a
| Ghost image of
| the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a
Ghost
| image is created
| on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
off
| a Ghost Book
| Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
said
| images.
|
| Dave
|
|
|
|
| " Komboloi" wrote in message
| ...
| | I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
| capacity?
| | For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
My
| | main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK
right?
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Ghost does NOT mirror drives. Mirroring drives is the capability of an OS or a controller
(Aka, RAID) to allow data that is written to one disk, be also written to second disk in
case one of the pair fails. This is NOT a capability that Symantec Ghost performs.

Ghost is used for cloning drives. Ether a clone is made disk-to-disk or to a compressed
image of a disk is made to some media (Tape, CD, DVD, hard disk partition, ZIP, Bernoulli,
etc...)

Please stick to replying to discussions of which you actually have knowledge on.

Dave




"BarCom" wrote in message
...
| I think Ghost has a 1 to 1 mirror. If yu use that, the target has to be as
| big, or bigger, than the source.
|
|
| "Norm" wrote in message
| .. .
| The file system on the disk that the image is on can be either FAT32 or
| NTFS. The Ghost 2003 application, when run from the Ghost Boot Disk, has
| no
| problem at all in seeing an NTFS partition and the image that you put on
| it.
| I also don't understand your comments about disk size. As long as the
| amount of data doesn't exceed the disk size I don't see any reason why
| it's
| not a good idea to go from a 60gb to a 40gb, other than the obvious lose
| of
| spare disk. If all you have is a spare 40gb, why not. The restored image
| will work just fine on the 40gb.
|
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in message
| ...
| That isn't really a question for a WinXP News Group, it is more apropos to
| ask in;
| symantec.customerservice.general
|
| However, I'll answer the query here.
|
| If you Ghost a 40GB hard disk with 20GB of data on it to a 60GB disk, you
| now have an exact
| copy of the OS with 40GB of free space on that 60GB drive.
|
| If you Ghost a 60GB hard disk with 20GB of data to a 40GB disk, you now
| have
| an exact copy
| of the OS with 20GB of free space on that 40GB drive. However, this would
| not be a good
| idea. It is a Good idea to use Ghost in the "clone" mode to go from a
| smaller hard disk to
| a larger hard disk but not larger to smaller. It is far better to create
| a
| Ghost image of
| the 60GB drive on the 40GB drive formatted in FAT32. Anytime that a Ghost
| image is created
| on a hard disk it is better to use FAT32 than NTFS such that if you boot
| off
| a Ghost Book
| Disk (which is MS or PC-DOS) you will be able to access the drive with
| said
| images.
|
| Dave
|
|
|
|
| " Komboloi" wrote in message
| ...
| | I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
| capacity?
| | For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160 gigs.
| My
| | main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK right?
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|

It went right over your head. Cloning *IS* the main function of Ghost. It is what
separates this application from mere backup solutions.

Dave



"BarCom" wrote in message
...
| Did I miss something about cloning? I don't believe it was part of the
| inquiry.

Greetings --

The amount of data versus free space on a partition to be imaged
is usually irrelevant, as most imaging applications create a
sector-by-sector "snapshot" of the partition. It depends upon the
capabilities of the specific cloning application you use. Most have
the capability of compressing the image so that the resulting file can
be much smaller than the original partition.

Bruce Chambers
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" Komboloi" wrote in message
...
I was wondering, when you ghost do both drives have to be the same
capacity?
For example, say my main drive is 200 gigs and my back-up is 160
gigs. My
main drive is not over 160 gigs of data, I would imagine it's OK
right?