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  #16  
Old February 24th 12, 05:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_4_]
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:29:10 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" noEMAILforYOU
wrote:

Top-posting, in-line posting or bottom-posting is entirely up to the
individual.



That's certainly true, but that doesn't make them equally good.

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  #17  
Old February 24th 12, 10:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bob I
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-1

On 2/24/2012 7:24 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 2/24/12 4:49 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:29:10 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" wrote:

Top-posting, in-line posting or bottom-posting is entirely up to the
individual.


Nonsense. You might as well say which side of the road to drive on
is a personal decision.

Sure, you *can* decide to do it differently from others, but it will
make a big mess if you do, and it will also make you unpopular.


+1


  #18  
Old February 25th 12, 12:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 2/24/12 2:09 PM, Bob I wrote:
-1

On 2/24/2012 7:24 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 2/24/12 4:49 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:29:10 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" wrote:

Top-posting, in-line posting or bottom-posting is entirely up to the
individual.

Nonsense. You might as well say which side of the road to drive on
is a personal decision.

Sure, you *can* decide to do it differently from others, but it will
make a big mess if you do, and it will also make you unpopular.


+1


Microsoft, as we all here know, no longer support these groups, so as
such there is no moderators or rules that I am aware of.

But, other newsgroups that I visit are moderated, and the do have rules.
And you are expected to follow them.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 10.0.2
Thunderbird 10.0.2
LibreOffice 3.4.5
  #19  
Old February 25th 12, 07:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robert Sudbury
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To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.

Back in the days I used to reply mid-post, or in-line. This made it look
more like a live conversation. It was an editing nightmare and if it wasn't
formatted properly or your recipient's reader sucked, the reader often
missed information. If the conversation required more than a single reply
from each person involved however... icky acky ooo, what a mess, and I loved
it. Thought it was the cat's meow.

As flame wars ebbed and flowed, I decided to give bottom posting a swing.
Sure it's great to have a complete conversation, chronologically sorted top
to bottom, but if the conversation was long, or the reply just as long, or
the topic too complex to edit down to a smaller quoted chunk, it could be
just as annoying to scroll through the entire message, and hope you find the
start of the reply without having to scroll back. Then what happened if you
edited out a chunk that was later deemed important?

This lasted about a week. I hated bottom posting ... then I switched to
top posting.

Top posting is where I'm at, and will stay at. Chances are, when you opened
this letter, you recognized that the reply was `right here' ... three
seconds and you found your goal. Life is good. 8)

As for all those lovely arguments against Top-Posting that quote ancient
RFCs or netiquette. The internet and usenet were created by ... you guessed
it, Engineers. When left to their own devices, Engineers tend to design
things for reasons other than business and personal 'use'. Engineers like
big thick manuals. Bottom posting is like a big thick manual. A b c d e f g
h... neat, orderly. When you're an Engineer or a Scientist, you need to
know a b c d e in the order of a b c d e. That works... sure, but what
happens when you're a consumer, a user, a business? Do you care?

Long are gone the days when the usenet was used solely by academia.
Top-posting is immediate. Top posting is personal. Top-posting is for the
masses.

Blogs = top post
Twitter logs = top post
News sites = top post
When was the last time you visited an information site that listed oldest
conversations first? A forum site probably ... but what else? Anything?
The point being, top posting offers you the shortest route, through the
least amount of effort, to the latest topics or information.

I will try to sum up my opinions for the reason for top posting in few
useful, daily life arguments.

1. Same concept goes for good paper filing systems. You file new to the
front ... where's the front of an email? top.

2. If you're vision-impaired, using a large font reader or you're listening
to your news reader, following a conversation thread, that is say, 20
replies deep, how fast will you dump that thread, important or otherwise if
you must wade through all that replied, quoted text, over and over, message
after message to reach the simple responses all the way down at the bottom?

3. If you're reading a `Thread' you probably already read it from the OP.
That's the purpose of the Thread title ... which BTW is at the top of the
thread message ... 8) As one reads through a thread, how much more time is
wasted scrolling or paging down through quoted text just to reach a reply
several paragraphs long that you then must scroll page-up through to find
the actual beginning of the reply? Or worse, to an AOL'esque single line or
monosyllabic response?

3. In this age of not just immediate gratification, but of the immediacy of
information, anything but top posting, wastes time. We all know what time
is ... money. My time is valuable, your time is valuable. Learn to
structure your thoughts quickly. Put it to print. Get it out there and
move on.

4. How many of your parents, or grandparents still can't grasp the concept
of scrolling down or how to pull the scroll bar down to see the other 50
lines of your message beyond the mere 15 they can see after blowing their
screen res up to 800x600?

You may have heard "The medium is the message. ... The content is the
audience". For USENET, the medium is instantaneous, and so too should be
the message... this is the very essence of Top-posting.

Having said all this, in the end, posting style is all about personal
choice. It's up to the author to decide what is the best method for getting
their message across. No one can say it's right or wrong, just of differing
opinion, or merits.

Unlike a private company, on USENET there is no policy, and no one & no way
to enforce it (unless it's a moderated ng of course). It's a public forum
for all dogs on the internet to have their chance to be praised, flamed or
ignored, regardless.

If you want popularity, go to Facebook or look in a mirror. USENET is not a
private conversation, it's a publc dissemination of information, discussions
and the occasional obligatory flame-war.

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:29:10 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" wrote:

Top-posting, in-line posting or bottom-posting is entirely up to the
individual.


Nonsense. You might as well say which side of the road to drive on
is a personal decision.

Sure, you *can* decide to do it differently from others, but it will
make a big mess if you do, and it will also make you unpopular.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

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  #20  
Old February 25th 12, 09:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
richard
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Default USENET Posting styles (was Making a copy of a DVD)

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:02:48 -0500, Robert Sudbury wrote:

To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.


demonstrating the use of snipping

Many eons ago in a particular group, there was one, and only one, poster
who was sight impaired and used an OCR to "read" the posts. She had found
that if the replies were top posted, they were easier to find. So we began
to top post replies just for her.

That was the only time I have ever come across where top posting was
wanted. One of the netiquette things in usenet is also, when replying a
single line, to a thousand line post, snip the damn crap!
No sense making others scroll ten thousand lines just to read "damn!".

In many cases, inline posting to posts is considered appropriate depending
on the nature of the original post. What is royally frowned upon, is when
you're replying to a reply to a reply to a reply and top post your answer.
The reader now has to try and figure to what you are replying.

Now let's all just get along and get back to work or have a party.
  #21  
Old February 25th 12, 10:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:02:48 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" noEMAILforYOU wrote:

To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.


Probably not, in most circumstances.

Back in the days I used to reply mid-post, or in-line. This made it look
more like a live conversation. It was an editing nightmare and if it wasn't
formatted properly or your recipient's reader sucked, the reader often
missed information. If the conversation required more than a single reply
from each person involved however... icky acky ooo, what a mess, and I loved
it. Thought it was the cat's meow.


It worked much better on BBS networks, where the reply symbols also showed the
initials of the person replying, but the older news technology survived, with
all its shortcomings, and BBS technology died. .

Top posting is where I'm at, and will stay at. Chances are, when you opened
this letter, you recognized that the reply was `right here' ... three
seconds and you found your goal. Life is good. 8)


Not sure what you're getting at there.

As for all those lovely arguments against Top-Posting that quote ancient
RFCs or netiquette. The internet and usenet were created by ... you guessed
it, Engineers. When left to their own devices, Engineers tend to design
things for reasons other than business and personal 'use'. Engineers like
big thick manuals. Bottom posting is like a big thick manual. A b c d e f g
h... neat, orderly. When you're an Engineer or a Scientist, you need to
know a b c d e in the order of a b c d e. That works... sure, but what
happens when you're a consumer, a user, a business? Do you care?


Top posting was the invention of Microsoft, which tried to use analogies of
-paper office procedures. Before you could learn how to use their software you
had to learn how to use paper procedures. No doubt the first car owners felt
more comfortable with a whip socket next to the drivers seat, and reins coming
through the dashboard, but images of filing cabinets really don't help much
when one is using computers.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
  #22  
Old February 25th 12, 02:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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Default USENET Posting styles (was Making a copy of a DVD)

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:02:48 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" wrote:
As flame wars ebbed and flowed, I decided to give bottom posting a swing.
Sure it's great to have a complete conversation, chronologically sorted top
to bottom, but if the conversation was long, or the reply just as long, or
the topic too complex to edit down to a smaller quoted chunk,


Part of posting is to do that editing.

Your argument is essentially that you want to put your stuff in the
wrong position because you can't be bothered to do the editing. In
other words, your time is more important than that of thousands of
readers. I don't think so.

And it's not like the editing is that hard to do.


--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
  #23  
Old February 25th 12, 02:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +1100, Erik Vastmasd wrote:

[130 lines or so of quoting, and a one-line comment]

Hon, you need to trim your quotes. Upside-down posters while
"there's so much to scroll through" as an argument for their wrong
style. Don't give 'em ammunition.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
  #24  
Old February 25th 12, 05:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Wolf K
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On 25/02/2012 1:02 AM, Robert Sudbury wrote:
To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.


[...]

Quite so.

But there are such things as "conventions", including those for
spelling. Driving rules are conventions, particularly urgent ones, since
violating them will kill you and other people. Violating spelling can
also be lethal: there have documented case where medication names or
doses wer misspelled, and people died.

We have conventions when leaving it up to the variations of personal
choice causes at least inconvenient and at worst serious harms. Courtesy
is following the conventions. Or better: courtesy is giving some
personal choice in the interest of smoother and more pleasant social and
other relationships.

"Keep your stick on the ice. We're all in this together. Remember, we're
pulling for you."

HTH
Wolf K.
  #25  
Old February 25th 12, 06:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robert Sudbury
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Default USENET Posting styles (was Making a copy of a DVD)

Top-posting is inclusive; it doesn't exclude or frustrate those users not
able to quickly scan a post; whatever their reason. That one time is the
only time you _know_ of that your actions assisted someone else. Why stop a
good thing? You may trivialize the reasoning here, but I will not.

Top posting is a form of snipping, in that you know the moment you hit
quoted text, you can stop reading. You could simply snip all previous
content from your reply, relying solely on the thread topic line, but then
you'd be cutting your conversation boat adrift and losing your audience
altogether.

Inline posting is great for personal emails, I enjoy it also, but when more
than just a couple of folks are able to contribute, tracking can be
hellacious. However, even in personal emails, inline posting can cause too
many people to lose track of their thoughts. Especially if the conversation
lasts more than a couple of posts, or if once again, you're dealing with
someone less computer literate; someone who doesn't grasp the concept of
scrolling down to read more. Counting hash mark quote depth to keep in-line
posted thoughts in their relative thread is also time consuming.

I agree that if someone joins into a conversation late in the thread, and
they are unwilling or are unable to pick up the original post and subsequent
threaded replies, that if the entire thread is top-post replies (maintained
without snipping), catching up will be arduous reading bottom up, one reply
at a time.

Moderated newsgroups aside, which this ng isn't, there is no royalty
governing usenet posts. Usenet in general is about the free exchange of
ideas and information. Read that word, free. Also part of Freedom; which
includes the freedom of choice.

I can only hope to persuade someone with my thoughts, I cannot enforce them
here and neither can you yours. I am open to compelling arguments to
change, but right now I see more reasons to continue top posting than to
stop.

"richard" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:02:48 -0500, Robert Sudbury wrote:

To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.


demonstrating the use of snipping

Many eons ago in a particular group, there was one, and only one, poster
who was sight impaired and used an OCR to "read" the posts. She had found
that if the replies were top posted, they were easier to find. So we began
to top post replies just for her.

That was the only time I have ever come across where top posting was
wanted. One of the netiquette things in usenet is also, when replying a
single line, to a thousand line post, snip the damn crap!
No sense making others scroll ten thousand lines just to read "damn!".

In many cases, inline posting to posts is considered appropriate depending
on the nature of the original post. What is royally frowned upon, is when
you're replying to a reply to a reply to a reply and top post your answer.
The reader now has to try and figure to what you are replying.

Now let's all just get along and get back to work or have a party.

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http://www.eset.com




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  #26  
Old February 25th 12, 06:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robert Sudbury
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Posts: 39
Default USENET Posting styles (was Making a copy of a DVD)

I miss BBS'ing ... I don't miss the monster long distance phone bills I
racked up each month as I scoured the world for interesting boards. 8)

What I'm attempting to convey in my comment:

Top posting is where I'm at, and will stay at. Chances are, when you
opened
this letter, you recognized that the reply was `right here' ... three
seconds and you found your goal. Life is good. 8)


.... is that when you opened your reader program, when you selected this
message to read, what did you see first? This. This text. This top-posted
reply. This effort took all of three seconds for you to recognize. No
other effort, no matter how small, was required by you to process my reply.
No mousing, no scrolling. Chances are very good that you grew up in a
culture that reads top to bottom. And where is my reply text right now?

Unless the US patent office has cemented its position in the deep end of the
pool on yet another frivolous patent, no one can seriously lay claim to
inventing top-posting as you claim Microsoft did.

My use of the visual style of placing thoughts into a filing cabinet is
analagous to good record keeping and documentation. The fresher the data,
the more likely you'll want to access it first, with the least effort. The
older the thoughts, the further back, the less likely you'll need to see
them or want to work your way through them to reach the more recent entry.

"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:02:48 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" noEMAILforYOU
wrote:

To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.


Probably not, in most circumstances.

Back in the days I used to reply mid-post, or in-line. This made it look
more like a live conversation. It was an editing nightmare and if it
wasn't
formatted properly or your recipient's reader sucked, the reader often
missed information. If the conversation required more than a single reply
from each person involved however... icky acky ooo, what a mess, and I
loved
it. Thought it was the cat's meow.


It worked much better on BBS networks, where the reply symbols also showed
the
initials of the person replying, but the older news technology survived,
with
all its shortcomings, and BBS technology died. .

Top posting is where I'm at, and will stay at. Chances are, when you
opened
this letter, you recognized that the reply was `right here' ... three
seconds and you found your goal. Life is good. 8)


Not sure what you're getting at there.

As for all those lovely arguments against Top-Posting that quote ancient
RFCs or netiquette. The internet and usenet were created by ... you
guessed
it, Engineers. When left to their own devices, Engineers tend to design
things for reasons other than business and personal 'use'. Engineers like
big thick manuals. Bottom posting is like a big thick manual. A b c d e f
g
h... neat, orderly. When you're an Engineer or a Scientist, you need to
know a b c d e in the order of a b c d e. That works... sure, but what
happens when you're a consumer, a user, a business? Do you care?


Top posting was the invention of Microsoft, which tried to use analogies
of
-paper office procedures. Before you could learn how to use their software
you
had to learn how to use paper procedures. No doubt the first car owners
felt
more comfortable with a whip socket next to the drivers seat, and reins
coming
through the dashboard, but images of filing cabinets really don't help
much
when one is using computers.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk

__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
signature database 6913 (20120224) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com




--
[Robert]


__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6915 (20120225) __________

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http://www.eset.com



  #27  
Old February 25th 12, 06:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robert Sudbury
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Posts: 39
Default USENET Posting styles (was Making a copy of a DVD)

Despite your apparent lack of conversation skills, I still scrolled through
to the bottom of your reply to read your one-line insult.

I respect your choice to bottom post, but I suggest you try to articulate
yourself in a less demeaning manner.

As for your argument pro or con, I see none.

"Erik Vastmasd" wrote in message
...
I caught a glimpse of "Robert Sudbury" noEMAILforYOU on Sat, 25 Feb
2012 01:02:48 -0500, writing in alt.windows7.general:

To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.

Back in the days I used to reply mid-post, or in-line. This made it look
more like a live conversation. It was an editing nightmare and if it
wasn't
formatted properly or your recipient's reader sucked, the reader often
missed information. If the conversation required more than a single reply
from each person involved however... icky acky ooo, what a mess, and I
loved
it. Thought it was the cat's meow.

As flame wars ebbed and flowed, I decided to give bottom posting a swing.
Sure it's great to have a complete conversation, chronologically sorted
top
to bottom, but if the conversation was long, or the reply just as long, or
the topic too complex to edit down to a smaller quoted chunk, it could be
just as annoying to scroll through the entire message, and hope you find
the
start of the reply without having to scroll back. Then what happened if
you
edited out a chunk that was later deemed important?

This lasted about a week. I hated bottom posting ... then I switched to
top posting.

Top posting is where I'm at, and will stay at. Chances are, when you
opened
this letter, you recognized that the reply was `right here' ... three
seconds and you found your goal. Life is good. 8)

As for all those lovely arguments against Top-Posting that quote ancient
RFCs or netiquette. The internet and usenet were created by ... you
guessed
it, Engineers. When left to their own devices, Engineers tend to design
things for reasons other than business and personal 'use'. Engineers like
big thick manuals. Bottom posting is like a big thick manual. A b c d e f
g
h... neat, orderly. When you're an Engineer or a Scientist, you need to
know a b c d e in the order of a b c d e. That works... sure, but what
happens when you're a consumer, a user, a business? Do you care?

Long are gone the days when the usenet was used solely by academia.
Top-posting is immediate. Top posting is personal. Top-posting is for
the
masses.

Blogs = top post
Twitter logs = top post
News sites = top post
When was the last time you visited an information site that listed oldest
conversations first? A forum site probably ... but what else? Anything?
The point being, top posting offers you the shortest route, through the
least amount of effort, to the latest topics or information.

I will try to sum up my opinions for the reason for top posting in few
useful, daily life arguments.

1. Same concept goes for good paper filing systems. You file new to the
front ... where's the front of an email? top.

2. If you're vision-impaired, using a large font reader or you're
listening
to your news reader, following a conversation thread, that is say, 20
replies deep, how fast will you dump that thread, important or otherwise
if
you must wade through all that replied, quoted text, over and over,
message
after message to reach the simple responses all the way down at the
bottom?

3. If you're reading a `Thread' you probably already read it from the OP.
That's the purpose of the Thread title ... which BTW is at the top of the
thread message ... 8) As one reads through a thread, how much more time
is
wasted scrolling or paging down through quoted text just to reach a reply
several paragraphs long that you then must scroll page-up through to find
the actual beginning of the reply? Or worse, to an AOL'esque single line
or
monosyllabic response?

3. In this age of not just immediate gratification, but of the immediacy
of
information, anything but top posting, wastes time. We all know what time
is ... money. My time is valuable, your time is valuable. Learn to
structure your thoughts quickly. Put it to print. Get it out there and
move on.

4. How many of your parents, or grandparents still can't grasp the concept
of scrolling down or how to pull the scroll bar down to see the other 50
lines of your message beyond the mere 15 they can see after blowing their
screen res up to 800x600?

You may have heard "The medium is the message. ... The content is the
audience". For USENET, the medium is instantaneous, and so too should be
the message... this is the very essence of Top-posting.

Having said all this, in the end, posting style is all about personal
choice. It's up to the author to decide what is the best method for
getting
their message across. No one can say it's right or wrong, just of
differing
opinion, or merits.

Unlike a private company, on USENET there is no policy, and no one & no
way
to enforce it (unless it's a moderated ng of course). It's a public forum
for all dogs on the internet to have their chance to be praised, flamed or
ignored, regardless.

If you want popularity, go to Facebook or look in a mirror. USENET is not
a
private conversation, it's a publc dissemination of information,
discussions
and the occasional obligatory flame-war.

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
. net...
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:29:10 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" wrote:

Top-posting, in-line posting or bottom-posting is entirely up to the
individual.

Nonsense. You might as well say which side of the road to drive on
is a personal decision.

Sure, you *can* decide to do it differently from others, but it will
make a big mess if you do, and it will also make you unpopular.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
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Old February 25th 12, 06:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robert Sudbury
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Quite the opposite. I consider all time valuable.

I've just saved you three seconds by not bottom posting. By entering into
this conversation, you've demonstrated to me that you have already invested
time into understanding the nature of the conversation; the give and take in
the opposing sides of the argument and validated to me that it is
unnecessary for me to force you to read/scroll through the conversation all
over again.

Be honest now, when you opened or first viewed this message, what part of
the body of this reply did you see first?

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:02:48 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" wrote:
As flame wars ebbed and flowed, I decided to give bottom posting a swing.
Sure it's great to have a complete conversation, chronologically sorted
top
to bottom, but if the conversation was long, or the reply just as long,
or
the topic too complex to edit down to a smaller quoted chunk,


Part of posting is to do that editing.

Your argument is essentially that you want to put your stuff in the
wrong position because you can't be bothered to do the editing. In
other words, your time is more important than that of thousands of
readers. I don't think so.

And it's not like the editing is that hard to do.


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  #29  
Old February 25th 12, 06:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:17:43 -0500, "Robert Sudbury" noEMAILforYOU wrote:

Top posting is where I'm at, and will stay at. Chances are, when you
opened
this letter, you recognized that the reply was `right here' ... three
seconds and you found your goal. Life is good. 8)


... is that when you opened your reader program, when you selected this
message to read, what did you see first? This. This text. This top-posted
reply. This effort took all of three seconds for you to recognize. No
other effort, no matter how small, was required by you to process my reply.
No mousing, no scrolling. Chances are very good that you grew up in a
culture that reads top to bottom. And where is my reply text right now?


In some strange places, it seems.


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Old February 25th 12, 06:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Robert Sudbury
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Once again, in context, we are not discussing the merits of the accuracy or
efficacy of the freedom of choice of a style that could in any way, have any
effect on one's health.

I otherwise appreciate your well-crafted reply, simultaneously endorsing and
discrediting my choice in one breath. 8)

"Wolf K" wrote in message
om...
On 25/02/2012 1:02 AM, Robert Sudbury wrote:
To compare a posting style to the unsafe operation of a motor vehicle is
ludicrious. The implied consequences are incomparable. Using a posting
style of one's choice doesn't place your health or life at risk.


[...]

Quite so.

But there are such things as "conventions", including those for spelling.
Driving rules are conventions, particularly urgent ones, since violating
them will kill you and other people. Violating spelling can also be
lethal: there have documented case where medication names or doses wer
misspelled, and people died.

We have conventions when leaving it up to the variations of personal
choice causes at least inconvenient and at worst serious harms. Courtesy
is following the conventions. Or better: courtesy is giving some personal
choice in the interest of smoother and more pleasant social and other
relationships.

"Keep your stick on the ice. We're all in this together. Remember, we're
pulling for you."

HTH
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