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Old October 24th 18, 03:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
pjp[_10_]
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I'm in Canada so a hack is required to get WMC to use a TV Tuner here.

All pc's in question running either Win7-32bit or Win7-Pro-64bit.
Basically amount of ram in them dictates OS, = 4Gb is 32 bit else ...
1/2 are I5's rather than dual-cores

That said ...

I started with installing a Haupagge USB ATSC/QCAM tuner in a 2.8Gz Dell
using a dual-core Intel chip and an SSD as primary drive. Install went
smoothly and I couldn't be any happier with a crisp screen and flawless
video recording.

Problem is I also have 12 other pc's all similar or even better in
specs. On not one of them will WMC use the tuner always ending setup
with an error message but no error code of any sort.

It appears MS has no intention of fixing the problem as it's been around
awhile now. Nice of them

Therefore question is - does Win10 present you with the same bullcrap
setting up a TV tuner or do they "just work" in the new OS?

Happuage's own software (V7) works fine btw although it does seem to
want to crash upon occassion. They expect you to pay for an update!!!
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Old October 24th 18, 04:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike
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Default WMC and W10 query

On 10/23/2018 7:56 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm in Canada so a hack is required to get WMC to use a TV Tuner here.

All pc's in question running either Win7-32bit or Win7-Pro-64bit.
Basically amount of ram in them dictates OS, = 4Gb is 32 bit else ...
1/2 are I5's rather than dual-cores

That said ...

I started with installing a Haupagge USB ATSC/QCAM tuner in a 2.8Gz Dell
using a dual-core Intel chip and an SSD as primary drive. Install went
smoothly and I couldn't be any happier with a crisp screen and flawless
video recording.

Problem is I also have 12 other pc's all similar or even better in
specs. On not one of them will WMC use the tuner always ending setup
with an error message but no error code of any sort.

It appears MS has no intention of fixing the problem as it's been around
awhile now. Nice of them

Therefore question is - does Win10 present you with the same bullcrap
setting up a TV tuner or do they "just work" in the new OS?

Happuage's own software (V7) works fine btw although it does seem to
want to crash upon occassion. They expect you to pay for an update!!!

I got lost in all that generality.
IRRC, windows 10 does not support WMC at all.
If you're asking about other vendor SW to record TV, you gotta ask them.
Then there's the business about win10 drivers for the tuner cards.
OR 64-bit drivers for ANY os.
I question the use of a SSD. I record about 35GB/day of TV. That adds up
fast against the limited write endurance of a SSD unless you've got a big
SSD with mostly free space...and don't fill it up with recorded TV.

I'm staying at win7-32 and spinning drives for my tuner needs.
I have a 2.8GHz. dual core dell. I can record 4 TV channels and play
a fifth recording at 2X speed simultaneously. Maxes it out, but it is
reliable.
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Old October 24th 18, 06:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
pjp[_10_]
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Default WMC and W10 query

In article , says...

On 10/23/2018 7:56 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm in Canada so a hack is required to get WMC to use a TV Tuner here.

All pc's in question running either Win7-32bit or Win7-Pro-64bit.
Basically amount of ram in them dictates OS, = 4Gb is 32 bit else ...
1/2 are I5's rather than dual-cores

That said ...

I started with installing a Haupagge USB ATSC/QCAM tuner in a 2.8Gz Dell
using a dual-core Intel chip and an SSD as primary drive. Install went
smoothly and I couldn't be any happier with a crisp screen and flawless
video recording.

Problem is I also have 12 other pc's all similar or even better in
specs. On not one of them will WMC use the tuner always ending setup
with an error message but no error code of any sort.

It appears MS has no intention of fixing the problem as it's been around
awhile now. Nice of them

Therefore question is - does Win10 present you with the same bullcrap
setting up a TV tuner or do they "just work" in the new OS?

Happuage's own software (V7) works fine btw although it does seem to
want to crash upon occassion. They expect you to pay for an update!!!

I got lost in all that generality.
IRRC, windows 10 does not support WMC at all.
If you're asking about other vendor SW to record TV, you gotta ask them.
Then there's the business about win10 drivers for the tuner cards.
OR 64-bit drivers for ANY os.
I question the use of a SSD. I record about 35GB/day of TV. That adds up
fast against the limited write endurance of a SSD unless you've got a big
SSD with mostly free space...and don't fill it up with recorded TV.

I'm staying at win7-32 and spinning drives for my tuner needs.
I have a 2.8GHz. dual core dell. I can record 4 TV channels and play
a fifth recording at 2X speed simultaneously. Maxes it out, but it is
reliable.


Thanks for the info about being able to keep up recording using a
spinning disk. Much older attempts (3.1,98 era) always had problems with
jittering etc.

What hardware are you using to record 4 channels at once is of some
interest?
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Old October 24th 18, 11:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike
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Default WMC and W10 query

On 10/23/2018 10:15 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/23/2018 7:56 PM, pjp wrote:

I'm in Canada so a hack is required to get WMC to use a TV Tuner here.

All pc's in question running either Win7-32bit or Win7-Pro-64bit.
Basically amount of ram in them dictates OS, = 4Gb is 32 bit else ...
1/2 are I5's rather than dual-cores

That said ...

I started with installing a Haupagge USB ATSC/QCAM tuner in a 2.8Gz Dell
using a dual-core Intel chip and an SSD as primary drive. Install went
smoothly and I couldn't be any happier with a crisp screen and flawless
video recording.

Problem is I also have 12 other pc's all similar or even better in
specs. On not one of them will WMC use the tuner always ending setup
with an error message but no error code of any sort.

It appears MS has no intention of fixing the problem as it's been around
awhile now. Nice of them

Therefore question is - does Win10 present you with the same bullcrap
setting up a TV tuner or do they "just work" in the new OS?

Happuage's own software (V7) works fine btw although it does seem to
want to crash upon occassion. They expect you to pay for an update!!!

I got lost in all that generality.
IRRC, windows 10 does not support WMC at all.
If you're asking about other vendor SW to record TV, you gotta ask them.
Then there's the business about win10 drivers for the tuner cards.
OR 64-bit drivers for ANY os.
I question the use of a SSD. I record about 35GB/day of TV. That adds up
fast against the limited write endurance of a SSD unless you've got a big
SSD with mostly free space...and don't fill it up with recorded TV.

I'm staying at win7-32 and spinning drives for my tuner needs.
I have a 2.8GHz. dual core dell. I can record 4 TV channels and play
a fifth recording at 2X speed simultaneously. Maxes it out, but it is
reliable.


Thanks for the info about being able to keep up recording using a
spinning disk. Much older attempts (3.1,98 era) always had problems with
jittering etc.

What hardware are you using to record 4 channels at once is of some
interest?

Tuners:
AverMedia M780 PCIe BDA ATSC Tuner

ATI Theater 650 pro BDA Digital Tuner

KWorld ATSC 115 713x BDA ATSC Tuner phillips SAA713x

WinTV HVR-980 BDA Tuner

Disk:
WDC WD15EARS-00MVWB0

Dell Dimension E520 2.8GHz. dual core. 4GB RAM
Win7-32bit Ultimate

There are a lot of moving parts required to record TV.

IF the Tuner Vendor has drivers,
Windows Media Center JUST WORKS!
That's a good reason to stick with 32-bit win7...better
driver availability.
If you use vendor-supplied recording software, you run into all
manner of issues trying to run 4 different tuners at once.
WMC keeps it all straight and just works. I have had issues
when I tried to use two identical tuners. WMC couldn't keep
straight which was which. No problem with different device ID
numbers.

WMC records in .wtv format. If I understand correctly, it's
approximately RAW ATSC. That takes little resource to record.
Recording 4 channels takes about 30% of my CPU. The downside is
that the files are huge. About 5GB/hour.

I use my system to time-shift TV. Watch and delete.
I rarely save anything, so file size doesn't matter to me.

The biggest advantage of WMC is the TV-guide/recording scheduler.
It's all point and click. It always works with zero hassle.

I tried a lot of others, but never had any success with an alternative
free guide. That was a deal breaker with using linux to record TV...
aside from the fact that I only got one card to put an image on screen
with linux...but I digress...

I use VLC to play back the .wtv files. It's a lot more flexible than
WMC. I play back at 2X speed and manually skip commercials. Takes about
20 minutes to get thru an hour of TV.
If I'm recording 4 channels at the time while playing a fifth, the CPU
runs at 100%. Have no idea
why it doesn't skip, but playback is flawless.

I have a networked 2-channel HD Homerun. It records in a compressed format.
Problem with that is compression artifacts.

Easiest way to see that is to watch a football game.
The camera follows the runner and the entire background is moving at once.
The compression can't keep up and the background is a blur.
Same playback of a .wtv file has everything in sync all the time.

Another annoying symptom is closeups of people.
Pick a person with facial imperfections.
When they move their head, the wrinkles and blemishes disappear.
Over the next half a second, the compression catches up and they reappear.
Don't get that with .wtv.


 




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