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  #16  
Old September 22nd 05, 07:02 PM
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:32:40 -0400, "kurttrail"
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good onya ,and these forums are suppose to assist people with there
computer mishaps aren't they.


No. They are for communicating. And I am helping by communicating
that much of the spyware problem is caused by fools infecting their
own computers.


Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your
posts).


If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools,
then I feel I have helped.

And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.


How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't
be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?)


Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me.

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Old September 22nd 05, 07:04 PM
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kurttrail wrote:

snip

There are very few noobs left in the English-speaking world, so anyone
that is still getting their computer infected with spyware can't fall
back on "I'm just a noob" defense, especially the self-proffessed
"high-level pro" of an OP. And being as computer knowledgeable as me is
hardly all that necessary. All it takes is some common sense.


A concept, that you don't seem to grasp, is that people have to be given
enough information to ask a question.

Y'know, what? You're really not worth discussing this with.

I'm outta here.

Notan
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Old September 22nd 05, 07:11 PM
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Notan wrote:
kurttrail wrote:

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There are very few noobs left in the English-speaking world, so
anyone that is still getting their computer infected with spyware
can't fall back on "I'm just a noob" defense, especially the
self-proffessed "high-level pro" of an OP. And being as computer
knowledgeable as me is hardly all that necessary. All it takes is
some common sense.


A concept, that you don't seem to grasp, is that people have to be
given enough information to ask a question.


A link to a web page would suffice. Better yet a link to a Google
search. Along with the admonition that they are a fool for getting
their computer infected with spyware in the first place.

Y'know, what? You're really not worth discussing this with.


LOL! Too late for you, fool.

I'm outta here.


Outta where? You were never here.

Notan


Change "Notan" to "KnowNothing."

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  #19  
Old September 22nd 05, 07:19 PM
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail"
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Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your
posts).


If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools,
then I feel I have helped.


Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?

And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.


Newsgroups aren't types of forums?

How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't
be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?)


Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me.


If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.

You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.
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Old September 22nd 05, 07:28 PM
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Amen to that.
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NEVER download files from anywhere unless it is from the website of the
developer, manufacturer or some entity that you trust. They ALWAYS have the
most up to date files that haven't been tampered with by some third party
who is "hosting" (read Leeching) those files without permission.
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SNIP

I got no problems. And I'm certainly not the most intelligent person on
the planet.

SNIP


  #21  
Old September 22nd 05, 07:31 PM
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Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote:

Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your
posts).


If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy
fools, then I feel I have helped.


Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?


It is better off when they aren't enabled by others to continue in their
foolish ways.


And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.


Newsgroups aren't types of forums?


Nope.


How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software
shouldn't be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?)


Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote
me.


If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.


No, that isn't my implication at all. Negative reinforcement isn't
necessarily a punishment. Much of the time, it is just not
candy-coating the truth.

You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.


LOL! You are a born enabler.

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  #22  
Old September 22nd 05, 07:31 PM
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Howard Brazee wrote:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote:

Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your
posts).


If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy fools,
then I feel I have helped.


Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?

And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.


Newsgroups aren't types of forums?

How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software shouldn't
be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?)


Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote me.


If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.

You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.


Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt.

Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a
fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss.

Anything else would be coddling.

Take care!

Notan
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Old September 22nd 05, 07:32 PM
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Fitz wrote:

"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
SNIP

I got no problems. And I'm certainly not the most intelligent
person on the planet.

Amen to that.


Yep. Yet I'm smart enough to not get spyware on my computer.

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Old September 22nd 05, 07:37 PM
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Fitz wrote:
Amen to that.

I dont see where this discussion is going.

What get linux so fat people dont have to clean spyware?
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Old September 22nd 05, 08:03 PM
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Notan wrote:
Howard Brazee wrote:

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:02:56 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote:

Who are you helping? (Only people on this forum are reading your
posts).

If I get one person to reconsider to continue to enable fat lazy
fools, then I feel I have helped.


Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?

And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.


Newsgroups aren't types of forums?

How are you helping them? (By persuading us that software
shouldn't be safer - because the victims deserve what they get?)

Where did I say anything about software shouldn't be safer? Quote
me.


If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.

You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.


Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt.


You'd have to use reason first.


Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a
fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss.


Yeah, I will tell a woman that she is fat, when asked if she fat. I
like telling the truth.

Anything else would be coddling.


And not telling the truth.

Take care!


It would seem you need to.

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  #26  
Old September 22nd 05, 08:08 PM
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail"
wrote:

Life's all about helping others. Even if they are fools. Is the
world better off when fools suffer than when fools don't suffer?


It is better off when they aren't enabled by others to continue in their
foolish ways.


But earlier in the thread you (I think), said they deserve punishment.

But responding to your statement he

How so?

Give an example of the enabling you are referring to, and tell us how
the world would be better off if that enabling did not occur.

I have to admit that I'm not sure how to enable a fool to download bad
stuff other than by making the software less safe - which you said
you're not advocating. Actual examples will be meaningful.

And these aren't forums, but newsgroups.


Newsgroups aren't types of forums?


Nope.


Quick definitions (Forum)

# noun: a public facility to meet for open discussion
# noun: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion


So what part of these definitions don't apply?
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Old September 22nd 05, 08:09 PM
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Kephryn wrote:
Fitz wrote:
Amen to that.

I dont see where this discussion is going.

What get linux so fat people dont have to clean spyware?


Use common sense while browsing the web, and if you end up getting your
computer infected with spyware, find out how to remove it on your own,
as there are plenty of web pages with the info.

IOW, Don't be a fat lazy fool that expects to get help from others every
time you stub your toe, as you should have been looking where you were
going in the first place.

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  #28  
Old September 22nd 05, 08:10 PM
Howard Brazee
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:31:05 -0400, "kurttrail"
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You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.


LOL! You are a born enabler.


By recognizing that I can't make people smarter? Or by protecting
myself from them?

If I am an enabler - what do I do, or what *can* I do to enable these
fools? What do you do differently?
  #29  
Old September 22nd 05, 08:15 PM
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:31:13 -0600, Notan wrote:

If people deserve to be punished for being foolish, then the
implication is that we shouldn't work to prevent them from their just
consequences.

You can't make people smarter, all you can do is mitigate the
consequences of their foolishness.


Again, I'd imagine that there's no reasoning with little Kurt.

Apparently, he's the the type of person that thinks calling a
fat person "fat" is a good motivator for weight loss.

Anything else would be coddling.


In the case of foolish computing the consequences are different from
being fat. I could let someone play with a loaded handgun trusting
that the only person who got hurt was the person playing with that
gun, and he would deserve what he got.

Except I'm smart enough to see that we all pay for the damage. And I
would prefer to be protected from that fool's actions. But then I'd
be as big of a fool as Kurt is, and just as deserving of the
consequences.
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Old September 22nd 05, 08:18 PM
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kurttrail wrote:
Kephryn wrote:

Fitz wrote:

Amen to that.


I dont see where this discussion is going.

What get linux so fat people dont have to clean spyware?



Use common sense while browsing the web, and if you end up getting your
computer infected with spyware, find out how to remove it on your own,
as there are plenty of web pages with the info.

IOW, Don't be a fat lazy fool that expects to get help from others every
time you stub your toe, as you should have been looking where you were
going in the first place.


I understand your point of view, but if that is the only reason of the
discussion and your participation then there isnt a point to your point
of view.
 




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