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Windows 10???
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I
haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. |
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Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. On a Z97, you shouldn't have a problem. And the UEFI motherboards offer more than one operating mode. With a CSM module in the BIOS, you can get legacy BIOS behavior. Suitable for older installation media. ******* You probably could have installed WinXP (for the purpose of using it as a proof of purchase). A basic install of WinXP will work, as long as you can put the disk controller in vanilla IDE mode (in fact, Intel put support for a certain mode of emulation in the hardware, so that older OSes would work). And you wouldn't want to use your WinXP Gold disc, you'd want to slipstream up the disc to SP3. And then install. For the best chance of it working. What you might be missing, is WinXP drivers sufficient to make "Device Manager look clean". But if you were only installing to meet some upgrade requirement, then it would not be necessary to make the OS look pretty, before upgrading to a later OS. The later OS can install its own drivers, and the old drivers won't stick around (WinXP might use WDM, Win8 might use WDDM, the sound architecture is different and so on). Win10 will be available for "clean install", as there are versions of the OS with the usual pricing already announced. The chit-chat you see in the newsgroups today, is about a free upgrade from Win7SP1 or Win8.1. For the rest of the product matrix, much of that is actually unchanged. (Just the missing Media Center for using the computer as a PVR, is different. No more Media Center.) If you were to build a new computer on Aug.1, 2015, you should be able to go to Newegg, and buy Windows 10. So getting some free upgrade is not the only route to acquisition. You can start with a blank computer, there will be a Win10 box you can get in your computer parts order and so on. The reason for all the discussion, is the notion of getting something for nothing. In lots of cases, customers get screwed out of $99 here or $99 there, when it later turns out they should have had a different SKU or whatever. So while it may give the appearance that people here are eating a lot of free lunches, they won't necessarily admit later just how much they spent anyway to get everything set up right. Paul |
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just an FYI I downloaded windows 8.1 and done a fresh install using my windows 8 key. Question: did you download and buy a copy of windows 8 when it was released and where you a registered tester for windows 8. Before you brought your copy of windows 8 from the store. |
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On 6/8/2015 9:11 AM, Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. If you have updated Win8.1to be current, you should have an "Get Windows 10" tool on the taskbar that can help you determine whether your hardware is compatible with Win10. Run it, and see what it tells you. -- Best regards, Neil |
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 10:02:50 -0400, Paul wrote:
Albert wrote: Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. On a Z97, you shouldn't have a problem. And the UEFI motherboards offer more than one operating mode. With a CSM module in the BIOS, you can get legacy BIOS behavior. Suitable for older installation media. ******* You probably could have installed WinXP (for the purpose of using it as a proof of purchase). A basic install of WinXP will work, as long as you can put the disk controller in vanilla IDE mode (in fact, Intel put support for a certain mode of emulation in the hardware, so that older OSes would work). And you wouldn't want to use your WinXP Gold disc, you'd want to slipstream up the disc to SP3. And then install. For the best chance of it working. What you might be missing, is WinXP drivers sufficient to make "Device Manager look clean". But if you were only installing to meet some upgrade requirement, then it would not be necessary to make the OS look pretty, before upgrading to a later OS. The later OS can install its own drivers, and the old drivers won't stick around (WinXP might use WDM, Win8 might use WDDM, the sound architecture is different and so on). Win10 will be available for "clean install", as there are versions of the OS with the usual pricing already announced. The chit-chat you see in the newsgroups today, is about a free upgrade from Win7SP1 or Win8.1. For the rest of the product matrix, much of that is actually unchanged. (Just the missing Media Center for using the computer as a PVR, is different. No more Media Center.) If you were to build a new computer on Aug.1, 2015, you should be able to go to Newegg, and buy Windows 10. So getting some free upgrade is not the only route to acquisition. You can start with a blank computer, there will be a Win10 box you can get in your computer parts order and so on. The reason for all the discussion, is the notion of getting something for nothing. In lots of cases, customers get screwed out of $99 here or $99 there, when it later turns out they should have had a different SKU or whatever. So while it may give the appearance that people here are eating a lot of free lunches, they won't necessarily admit later just how much they spent anyway to get everything set up right. Paul Unfortunately most of what you've posted above seems to be way over my head but from what I can glean from it I shouldn't have any problems if I decide to go with Windows 10. I would like to point out that when I went from Windows XP to Windows 8 I did so with Windows 8 Pro upgrade discs from Microsoft. One of the things that happened while I was reinstalling Windows XP was I got an error message something like, "Stop installation because you could damage your computer" or something like that. Anyway the computer is working real well with the Windows 8.1 but I was just curious about Windows 10. |
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Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. If you upgraded from XP to 8.0 you should have an 8.0 product key. The MSFT Media Creation Tool (MCT) for Windows 8.1 can create (for free) installation media on a USB Stick or DVD for clean installing Windows 8.1 on that Ausus Z97 (btdt). The installer (on the media created by the MCT) will accept both Windows 8.0 and 8.1 product keys. The MCT can be obtained he http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media i.e. it wasn't necessary to attempt to install XP or even attempt to perform an upgrade from an existing XP o/s. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 15:08:44 +0100, Darklight
wrote: just an FYI I downloaded windows 8.1 and done a fresh install using my windows 8 key. Question: did you download and buy a copy of windows 8 when it was released and where you a registered tester for windows 8. Before you brought your copy of windows 8 from the store. I was running Windows XP and I purchased Windows 8 Pro upgrade discs from Microsoft which had both the 64 and 32 versions along with the product key card. I think being a registered tester is way above my pay grade especially at 80 years of age ;-). I would assume they would probably want someone with a longer future ;-). |
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:12:26 -0400, Neil
wrote: On 6/8/2015 9:11 AM, Albert wrote: Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. If you have updated Win8.1to be current, you should have an "Get Windows 10" tool on the taskbar that can help you determine whether your hardware is compatible with Win10. Run it, and see what it tells you. I do have "Get Windows 10" on the taskbar. Which was pointed out to me when I first registered for When those 10. Under "Your PC is ready" "Your good to go" Devices & apps. "no issues found". Under view confirmation it says; "Your upgrade is reserved! There's nothing you need to do right now. You'll get a notification on your PC or tablet when Windows 10 is ready to install" |
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On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote:
Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. If you were not successful in installing Windows XP then I can only surmise that something is dodgy in your system and so Windows 10 won't run. The fact that you have a new Mobo and all that doesn't mean that they are in working order. New stuff can invariably be defective and that is why you weren't able to install XP. XP can run on any systems except that you might not have the relevant drivers but installation should work no matter how new the system is. At least this is what I have experienced. I managed to install Windows 8.1. on my old DELL desktop and it runs fine. The only thing is DELL doesn't provide drivers for it so I have gone back to Windows 7. This old Desktop came with Windows XP way back in 2002 so you know it is very old indeed. Anyway, it is just a test machine to try something that can't be done on a live machine used for business. |
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On 6/8/2015 3:46 PM, Albert wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:12:26 -0400, Neil wrote: On 6/8/2015 9:11 AM, Albert wrote: Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. If you have updated Win8.1to be current, you should have an "Get Windows 10" tool on the taskbar that can help you determine whether your hardware is compatible with Win10. Run it, and see what it tells you. I do have "Get Windows 10" on the taskbar. Which was pointed out to me when I first registered for When those 10. Under "Your PC is ready" "Your good to go" Devices & apps. "no issues found". Under view confirmation it says; "Your upgrade is reserved! There's nothing you need to do right now. You'll get a notification on your PC or tablet when Windows 10 is ready to install" I presume that Win10 upgrade will be similar to the Win8 - Win8.1 upgrade; once complete, the install is "clean" in practical terms, and should you need to do a system restore, it will restore to Win10 (unless you force it to do otherwise). Since you've confirmed that your system can run Win10, the next step is to decide whether you want to or not. -- Best regards, Neil |
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Neil wrote:
I presume that Win10 upgrade will be similar to the Win8 - Win8.1 upgrade; once complete, the install is "clean" in practical terms, and should you need to do a system restore, it will restore to Win10 (unless you force it to do otherwise). Since you've confirmed that your system can run Win10, the next step is to decide whether you want to or not. Similar might be stretching it a bit. 8.1 when released was a Windows Store app upgrade route. 7Sp1/8.1 to 10 is Windows Update upgrade route. The latter, if reserved will cause Win10 to downloaded (trickling in over a period of time, not all at once - once complete a notice will be provided that the upgrade is ready to install) ...but there's more to this than just the above. That tool includes the Upgrade Assistant (UA). If one changes a system device or application, the tool's 'readiness' status could also change thus impacting the decision to install or also possible the ability to install. Thus the next step would be to revisit the tools 'readiness' status before making the final decision to upgrade or not. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Good Guy wrote:
On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote: Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. If you were not successful in installing Windows XP then I can only surmise that something is dodgy in your system and so Windows 10 won't run. The fact that you have a new Mobo and all that doesn't mean that they are in working order. New stuff can invariably be defective and that is why you weren't able to install XP. XP can run on any systems except that you might not have the relevant drivers but installation should work no matter how new the system is. At least this is what I have experienced. I managed to install Windows 8.1. on my old DELL desktop and it runs fine. The only thing is DELL doesn't provide drivers for it so I have gone back to Windows 7. This old Desktop came with Windows XP way back in 2002 so you know it is very old indeed. Anyway, it is just a test machine to try something that can't be done on a live machine used for business. That's not necessarily entirely all encompassing. Some mobos just won't install XP (some chip and storage drivers) are not available. Eventually if one has the necessary drivers XP could be installed (e.g. user provides SATA drivers that the XP media won't/can't provide). I've also come across lan drivers for the system's mobo not being available for XP nor are Vista/Win7 drivers installable. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote:
Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. I've never tried it with a Windows 8 upgrade but with previous versions of Windows upgrades there was no need to actually install the previous version. You could simply do a clean install from the upgrade CD/DVD and it would ask you to insert the CD/DVD from your old version and inspect it as proof that you had it before asking for it's CD/DVD to be inserted again to do the clean install. Anyone know if this is still allowed? -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
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Brian Gregory wrote:
On 08/06/2015 14:11, Albert wrote: Here a couple months ago my old (7 yr.) Asus motherboard fried and I haven't figured out how or why. So I replaced it with; Board: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z97-PRO Rev 1.xx Serial Number: 141134426100449 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz UEFI: American Megatrends Inc. 2012 09/30/2014 I was running Windows 8.1 with all updates when the computer crashed. I had gone from Windows XP and upgraded to Windows 8 on the original installation. When I tried to reinstall Windows XP on the new motherboard I found out that it was only designed for Windows 7 and up so I had to buy a Windows 8.1 full version ($126) from Microsoft store. (Because Windows XP would not install I couldn't use my Windows 8 upgrade.) Anyway, I've registered for windows 10 and I was just wondering if anybody here would have any idea as to whether I would have any problems. I've seen it posted here that Windows 10 will be capable of a clean install, I'm just curious. I've never tried it with a Windows 8 upgrade but with previous versions of Windows upgrades there was no need to actually install the previous version. You could simply do a clean install from the upgrade CD/DVD and it would ask you to insert the CD/DVD from your old version and inspect it as proof that you had it before asking for it's CD/DVD to be inserted again to do the clean install. Anyone know if this is still allowed? My two Windows 8 paid installations, have no qualifying OS at all. I used the "double install" method to bootstrap the Upgrade install. Just to prove it works. And they're nominally Upgrade versions. The test computer was brand new, when the Upgrade media was used to install the OS. http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...8-upgrade.html The OS didn't attempt any of the old methods of verifying the qualifying conditions. I have seen what you're talking about. If I wanted to reinstall Win2K, I have to keep the Win98SE box nearby, to present the "qualifying" CD for the Upgrade version I bought. My copy of Win2K Pro was $368 with tax included, and it was still only an Upgrade version and not a full Retail one. That's why, at the computer store, that box of software was locked in the "OS cabinet" :-) They hadn't switched to the "dummy box" method at that point in time. An armed guard (geek with pencil) escorted you to the cash with your box of software, to make sure you didn't hide it under your rain coat and walk out :-) Paul |
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Brian Gregory wrote:
I've never tried it with a Windows 8 upgrade but with previous versions of Windows upgrades there was no need to actually install the previous version. You could simply do a clean install from the upgrade CD/DVD and it would ask you to insert the CD/DVD from your old version and inspect it as proof that you had it before asking for it's CD/DVD to be inserted again to do the clean install. Anyone know if this is still allowed? That option is no longer available. Asking for media insertion of the prior qualifying o/s ceased quite some ago (either XP or ME era). ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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