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  #16  
Old August 2nd 15, 04:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 2015-08-02 11:24 AM, Al Drake wrote:
On 8/2/2015 11:16 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/2/2015 12:26 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-01 11:42 PM, EGK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:52:28 +0200, Steve Hayes

wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I
might
look at it again.

I believe they even removed DVD playback but you can still install
VLC. lol

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...en-you-upgrade



DVD playback. “Watching DVDs requires separate playback software,”
Microsoft
notes. But I assume any existing DVD playback software will continue
running. And in a separate FAQ, Microsoft says it is “providing a
free DVD
playback app in Windows 10 for Windows Media Center users.”

Microsoft Edge has some decent malware protection actually. I ventured
onto a site with illegal streams to watch UFC tonight, fully expecting
that one of the ads was going to attempt to serve me malware. Edge
detected that the site had a "programming error" and warned me about
the
malware. Quite impressive considering that Internet Explorer used to be
the best way through which to get malware onto a person's computer.


Chrome and adblocker.

#34 secconds


I refuse to use anything made by Google. I would have used Opera with
Ghostery (which blocks more than enough ads from displaying) but I also
refuse to install Flash in general. Of course, since Flash is necessary
to watch those illegal streams, I used Microsoft Edge because it's being
forced down my throat and has Flash built-in. I was impressed with the
malware blocking but the browser is useless without something to block
tracking cookies.


Why not use something to hide who you are?

https://www.hidemyass.com/pricing


I used to do that but I lost interest.


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  #17  
Old August 2nd 15, 05:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 8/2/2015 11:17 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:


I just want to add that I was disappointed by the last fight; I really
thought Correia had a chance.



Why did you think she had a chance? It was business as usual for Ronda
who is on a completely different level than all of the other 135 pound
women. And, she gets better with every fight.
  #18  
Old August 2nd 15, 10:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Al Drake
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 8/2/2015 11:31 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-02 11:24 AM, Al Drake wrote:
On 8/2/2015 11:16 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-02 5:24 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/2/2015 12:26 AM, A.M wrote:
On 2015-08-01 11:42 PM, EGK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 04:52:28 +0200, Steve Hayes

wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I
might
look at it again.

I believe they even removed DVD playback but you can still install
VLC. lol

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...en-you-upgrade



DVD playback. “Watching DVDs requires separate playback software,”
Microsoft
notes. But I assume any existing DVD playback software will continue
running. And in a separate FAQ, Microsoft says it is “providing a
free DVD
playback app in Windows 10 for Windows Media Center users.”

Microsoft Edge has some decent malware protection actually. I ventured
onto a site with illegal streams to watch UFC tonight, fully expecting
that one of the ads was going to attempt to serve me malware. Edge
detected that the site had a "programming error" and warned me about
the
malware. Quite impressive considering that Internet Explorer used to be
the best way through which to get malware onto a person's computer.


Chrome and adblocker.

#34 secconds

I refuse to use anything made by Google. I would have used Opera with
Ghostery (which blocks more than enough ads from displaying) but I also
refuse to install Flash in general. Of course, since Flash is necessary
to watch those illegal streams, I used Microsoft Edge because it's being
forced down my throat and has Flash built-in. I was impressed with the
malware blocking but the browser is useless without something to block
tracking cookies.


Why not use something to hide who you are?

https://www.hidemyass.com/pricing


I used to do that but I lost interest.



So did I. It does work and you can spoof anyone into believing you are
posting from any where in the world.

I really get a good laugh when I hear them try to convince everyone
that they know enough to blame the "hacking" on China. Makes some think
they really know something.
They still call a computer case a "hard drive"






  #19  
Old August 3rd 15, 05:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 8/2/2015 6:04 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-08-01 10:52 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?


Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.


Try Media Player Classic.

Doesn't anyone even want to pay for something like PowerDVD that has
about everything one could want. Way better than Itunes, I think.


  #20  
Old August 3rd 15, 08:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not just hype)?

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:04:21 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2015-08-01 10:52 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?


Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.


Try Media Player Classic.


More disinfomation.

Will "Media Player Classic" copy my data, file by file, to a Blu-Ray
disc, as Win 7 does to a DVD?


--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
  #21  
Old August 4th 15, 06:15 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not just hype)?

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:52:32 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2015-08-03 3:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:04:21 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2015-08-01 10:52 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote in message


What Windows 7 users need to know about updating to Windows 10
http://mashable.com/2015/07/30/windo...de-windows-10/

Here's my take on that nice article:
1. The "Start Menu" is back in Windows 10
2. Windows 7 "Gadget" is gone in Windows 10
3. Windows 7 "Windows Media Center" is gone in Windows 10
4. Windows 10 Pro has "Update for Business"
5. Windows 10 Pro has "Domain Join Services"
6. Windows 10 Pro has "BitLocker Drive Encryption"
7. Windows 10 Pro has "Group Policy editor"
8. Windows 10 Pro has "Remote Access Services"
9. Windows 10 has "DirectX 12 graphics API"
10. Windows 10 has game streaming from Xbox One
11. Windows 10 has "Cortana", the voice assistant
12. You have only 1 month to decide if you want to revert

Is any of that useful for the average Windows 7 user?

Yes: it tells me that there's nothing there that I actually want.

If it said "Windows 10 has built-in support for Blu-Ray discs" I might
look at it again.

Try Media Player Classic.


More disinfomation.

Will "Media Player Classic" copy my data, file by file, to a Blu-Ray
disc, as Win 7 does to a DVD?


No, it's just a player.

Writing to optical media requires completely different software than
reading/playing. I guess "support BluRay discs" is ambiguous.

BTW, I don't use Win7/8s DVD writing software.


In my understanding one of the main jobs of an operating system is to
connect the CPU to peripherals, like keyboards, mice, disk and disc
drives, monitors, printers and the like.

When new technology appears, like DVD or Blu-Ray, one expects a need
for an updated operating system to cope with them. If the newest
version of Windows can't do that, it's unnecessary.

If it weren't for the need to connect to USB-2 ports and DVD drives,
I'd still be using Windows 98 rather than Windows 7.

So that's why people are asking what Windows 10 can do, as an
operating system, that Windows 7 can't.

I regard things like music and video players as apps rather than as
part of the operating system. Likewise web browsers and e-mail
programs. Microsoft seems to want to bundle those into the OS, but
sometimes leaves out the essential functions of an OS -- communicating
with peripherals and running the apps. Too many bells and whistles,
not enough pistons and cylinders.

I want to know if the apps I use daily will run on Win 10, and that it
will connect them to the hardware that I attach to the system,

Some of the apps I use were written long before DVD drives were
invented, yet if I run them on Windows 7 (32-bit, of course) it will
write their output to a DVD. That's what I expect of an OS. If Win 10
is any good, it will write their output to a Blu-Ray disc as well. If
it doesn't, it's out of date already.


--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
  #22  
Old August 4th 15, 02:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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| Some of the apps I use were written long before DVD drives were
| invented, yet if I run them on Windows 7 (32-bit, of course) it will
| write their output to a DVD. That's what I expect of an OS. If Win 10
| is any good, it will write their output to a Blu-Ray disc as well. If
| it doesn't, it's out of date already.
|

Good points. Hardware changes are, usually, the
reason for a new OS. Yet most actual functionality
is available in software long before it's available
in Windows. People had ZIP programs long before
MS added their confusing, meager ZIP functionality.
And most people still need a decent ZIP program.
Same for CDs. One can write a CD but the functionality
is very barebones. Aside from Notepad and OE, I rarely
use anything built-in.

I've been using ImgBurn for years, for CDs and DVDs.
On XP, Windows doesn't know what a DVD is. But it
doesn't matter. ImgBurn does. I think the only really
critical issues for the OS are in the direct hardware
interface: USB in Win98. Dual-core processors in
XP. I'm not certain, but I'd guess the biggest plus
in Win7 is probably efficient usability of multicore
processors. But even then, if software is not designed
to target multi-core, there's only so much the OS can
do. If a resource-intensive program is running in a
single process then any number of cores won't make
it run faster. More cores will probably make it
run slower.

What Win10 seems to bring to the table is greater
integration of MS Store apps....if you happen to
like that sort of thing.


  #23  
Old August 4th 15, 02:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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| write their output to a DVD. That's what I expect of an OS. If Win 10
| is any good, it will write their output to a Blu-Ray disc as well. If
| it doesn't, it's out of date already.
|
| You've got it backwards: It's not up-to-date _yet_. And it won't be,
| unless and until the BluRay consortium agrees to licence.....

I think he meant that as an example, and in that
sense it's a cogent point. The OS is meant to be
a *platform* -- an interface to hardware for use
by software. If an important update to the platform
is not needed or present then it's not really an
updated OS.

What seems to be new with Win8/10 is not the OS
but the services. Metro. Perhaps that could be viewed
as an OS update of sorts. If you want to use Metro
apps you'll need a newer version of Windows.


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Old August 4th 15, 05:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 09:16:50 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2015-08-04 01:15, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:52:32 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:
On 2015-08-03 3:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:04:21 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

Try Media Player Classic.

More disinfomation.

Will "Media Player Classic" copy my data, file by file, to a Blu-Ray
disc, as Win 7 does to a DVD?

No, it's just a player.

Writing to optical media requires completely different software than
reading/playing. I guess "support BluRay discs" is ambiguous.

BTW, I don't use Win7/8s DVD writing software.


In my understanding one of the main jobs of an operating system is to
connect the CPU to peripherals, like keyboards, mice, disk and disc
drives, monitors, printers and the like.
[...]
I want to know if the apps I use daily will run on Win 10, and that it
will connect them to the hardware that I attach to the system,


"Connect to the hardware" is ambiguous. If the hardware conforms to some
basic protocol(s), the OS will "see" it, but that's all. Anything else
requires additional software (usually called "drivers"), either within
the OS, or outside, or both. The trouble is that the industry has not
standardised on a universal model of connecting and working with the
hardware. So when the OS changes, the old drivers may no longer
function. With new hardware, there's no guarantee that the existing
protocol(s) or drivers will work.

Some of the apps I use were written long before DVD drives were
invented, yet if I run them on Windows 7 (32-bit, of course) it will
write their output to a DVD. That's what I expect of an OS. If Win 10
is any good, it will write their output to a Blu-Ray disc as well. If
it doesn't, it's out of date already.


You've got it backwards: It's not up-to-date _yet_. And it won't be,
unless and until the BluRay consortium agrees to licence the use of
proprietary information to the OS builders so that they include
read/write software ("drivers") for BluRay (I suspect there's a lot of
haggling going on right now). Until then, you'll have to rely on players
and writers updated to handle BluRay.

Re-read above: "drivers ... within the OS, or outside, or both". That
also applies to reading/writing software. Additional problem with
optical disks: there is no single standard file format. The format
varies with content. So in addition to being able to read the data, the
system has to be able to interpret it.In addition to writing the data,
the system has to be able to format it correctly. More software.


Sure, that's apps.

When I save a file to disk generated by an app like MS Word, the app
uses the OS to write it to the disk, but the OS does not have to
"understand" the file, it just needs to write it to disk and read it
again, and pass it back to the app that can use it.

That's what an OS is supposed to do.








I guess you don't recall the Good Old Days when every peripheral came
with a disk(ette) with drivers (and often other related software) that
you had to install before you could use the peripheral. Even digital
cameras used to come with driver/software disks.

Have a good day,


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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
 




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