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Old October 15th 15, 01:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Drew[_8_]
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Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet
for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26"
touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot
as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer
and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for
recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to
be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it
crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and
then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am
not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a
op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the
drive as well as any other software/drivers needed.
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  #2  
Old October 15th 15, 01:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Drew wrote:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet
for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26"
touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot
as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer
and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for
recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to
be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed
and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put
win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure
what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system
to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as
well as any other software/drivers needed.


Since you installed Win10 already, that generated Digital Entitlement
for another copy of 10240. That's the RTM (release) version of
the OS offered to free upgrade (GWX) customers. That install
operation, created a license key for your usage, which is stored
on a Microsoft server. There is no need for "MagicJellyBean"
or the like in this case.

You use MediaCreationTool to get another copy of Win10 as a DVD.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

That web page behaves two ways. If you browse there from a WinXP
computer or if you browse there from a Linux computer, you are
given a *direct* link to the download. The download seems to be
unreliable that way. I received two truncated files (not enough
bytes). I presume this is to punish me for not using
a computer that will run the MediaCreationTool and do it
that way. The MediaCreationTool probably checks the download
for correctness/completion, because I didn't have a problem
with that.

These are typical sizes and checksums. I don't know
if yours would be exactly the same - however, if what
you get is only ~2GB in size, you know there is a problem.
You will probably be getting the x64 DVD, which will
run 64 bit or 32 bit programs, and only have a problem
with very old 16 bit installers (used by some old programs).

Win10_English_x64.iso 4,083,853,312 bytes (US English?)
Win10_English_x32.iso 3,052,865,536 bytes (US English?)

MD5sum = 99feb0f9e7262b7eefa460840a31b59d Win10_English_x32.iso
MD5sum = 23e397a21a9e01f141c64b7e1260314a Win10_English_x64.iso

On the computer doing the download, these are two potential
storage areas. If MediaCreationTool is running, it uses ~WS
for staging, and may erase ~BT while it is at it. I would
use a Windows machine where I am comfortable there won't
be a conflict with some other ongoing activity of that
nature.

When these directories are full, they can be
anywhere from 3 to 6GB in size, so you can tell if they're
"busy" with something. For example, if your technician
computer is a Win8 machine in the middle of GWX, and
you ran MediaCreationTool on that machine, the ~BT would
get cleaned out (for no particular good reason), and the
GWX activity would be upset by it. No idea how this
stuff recovers. I have plenty of VMs around here,
if I need a "pristine" downloader environment,
I can cook one up. So this is a warning, only
if you're doing multiple of these activities at the
same time.

C:\$WINDOWS.~BT --- GWX storage area
C:\$WINDOWS.~WS --- MediaCreationTool storage area (i.e. download a DVD)

*******

Just use the first link above, and you should be all set.
Pop a new drive in the IQ804, your Win10 license key is
stored on a Microsoft server, and when you use the
MediaCreationTool DVD to install the OS (boot it),
it should contact Microsoft for the key. When you
see a license key box, the word "Skip" should be
near the box. Click "Skip" and the installer
contacts Microsoft when it wants the key.

If you don't see the word "Skip", then the installer
is apparently not able to locate your key.

The installer computes a hardware hash, using things
like the NIC MAC address as "unique" information. That's
how it looks up your license key. The only hardware changed
in your config now, is the new hard drive serial number, and
with any luck, that's not enough to send you back
to square one... :-) The vast majority of your hardware
is the same as it was before the hardware failure, so
I don't expect a problem with this clean installation.

Paul
  #3  
Old October 15th 15, 02:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
philo
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On 10/14/2015 07:21 PM, Drew wrote:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet
for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26"
touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot
as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer
and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for
recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to
be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it
crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and
then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am
not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a
op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the
drive as well as any other software/drivers needed.




Since you have already gone through install the OS once


why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time?


Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD
  #4  
Old October 15th 15, 02:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
. . .winston[_2_]
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Drew wrote on 10/14/2015 8:21 PM:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet
for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26"
touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot
as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer
and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for
recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to
be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it
crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and
then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am
not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a
op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the
drive as well as any other software/drivers needed.


Follow Paul's advice on obtaining and using the Windows 10 Media
Creation Tool(MCT) to create the media.
- Choose the right media option usb or dvd if given the chance(usb if
you old device is capable of booting from usb or dvd if not). If not an
option consider burning the iso to usb or dvd on a different computer.
- Choose/select the correct Language, Edition (Pro or Home/Core), and
architecture(32 or 64 bit) - If the upgrade 10, Vista and 8 were
previously 32 bit then consider retaining 32 bit architecture.

Note: Having previously upgraded from 7 to 10 and activating 10 the
upgrade may have retained existing drivers used/installed by the earlier
o/s. It might be prudent to have drivers available if Win10 does not
provide them.

Here's a link with pictures on creating the Win10 media usng the MCT

http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-d...allation-media



Good luck.


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msft mvp windows experience
  #5  
Old October 15th 15, 06:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_2_]
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philo wrote on 10/14/2015 9:36 PM:
On 10/14/2015 07:21 PM, Drew wrote:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet
for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26"
touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot
as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer
and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for
recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to
be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it
crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and
then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am
not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a
op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the
drive as well as any other software/drivers needed.




Since you have already gone through install the OS once


why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time?


Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD


That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded
from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices.
Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be
as streamlined as the upgrade route.

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience
  #6  
Old October 15th 15, 11:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
philo
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On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote:


Since you have already gone through install the OS once


why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time?


Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD


That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded
from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices.
Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be
as streamlined as the upgrade route.




But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS.


Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the
"search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore
have to go to the mfg for drivers.
  #7  
Old October 15th 15, 09:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_2_]
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philo wrote on 10/15/2015 6:44 AM:
On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote:


Since you have already gone through install the OS once


why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time?


Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD


That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded
from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices.
Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be
as streamlined as the upgrade route.




But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS.


Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the
"search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore
have to go to the mfg for drivers.


Yes, much better on including and using Windows Update for drivers,
unfortunately for older devices (of which a Vista device could be)
neither Win10 or the manufacturer may have drivers, thus some may still
be needed.



--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience
  #8  
Old October 16th 15, 05:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
philo
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On 10/15/2015 03:05 PM, . . .winston wrote:
philo wrote on 10/15/2015 6:44 AM:
On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote:


Since you have already gone through install the OS once


why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time?


Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD

That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded
from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices.
Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be
as streamlined as the upgrade route.




But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS.


Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the
"search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore
have to go to the mfg for drivers.


Yes, much better on including and using Windows Update for drivers,
unfortunately for older devices (of which a Vista device could be)
neither Win10 or the manufacturer may have drivers, thus some may still
be needed.






Agreed.


I had a weird one recently on a mini-pc made by Zotac


Took me quite a while to chase down one specific driver
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Old October 16th 15, 07:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_2_]
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philo wrote on 10/16/2015 12:05 AM:
On 10/15/2015 03:05 PM, . . .winston wrote:
philo wrote on 10/15/2015 6:44 AM:
On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote:


Since you have already gone through install the OS once


why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time?


Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD

That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded
from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices.
Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may
not be
as streamlined as the upgrade route.




But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS.


Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the
"search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore
have to go to the mfg for drivers.


Yes, much better on including and using Windows Update for drivers,
unfortunately for older devices (of which a Vista device could be)
neither Win10 or the manufacturer may have drivers, thus some may still
be needed.






Agreed.


I had a weird one recently on a mini-pc made by Zotac


Took me quite a while to chase down one specific driver


For Win10 users after upgrading from a qualifying o/s (7 or 8x) to an
activated/entitled license system and deciding to travel down the
available Win10 'Skip product key' clean install and activate using
entitled license it's important to recognize the history of how the
device arrived at 7 or 8x (7 or 8x as original prior o/s; upgraded from
an earlier o/s e.g. XP/Vista to 7, etc.)

Win10 does a decent job on including and finding drivers but it is not
capable of 100% of all systems.


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Old October 16th 15, 12:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
philo
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On 10/16/2015 01:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:



I had a weird one recently on a mini-pc made by Zotac


Took me quite a while to chase down one specific driver


For Win10 users after upgrading from a qualifying o/s (7 or 8x) to an
activated/entitled license system and deciding to travel down the
available Win10 'Skip product key' clean install and activate using
entitled license it's important to recognize the history of how the
device arrived at 7 or 8x (7 or 8x as original prior o/s; upgraded from
an earlier o/s e.g. XP/Vista to 7, etc.)

Win10 does a decent job on including and finding drivers but it is not
capable of 100% of all systems.





The specific problem I had with the Zotac was a co-processor with no driver.

Zotac had no such driver on their site as far as I could tell...and
since the CPU was Intel I went to their site and saw nothing for
co-processor.

It turned out to be a video co-processor part of the Nvidia chipset and
eventually got it installed
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Old October 17th 15, 02:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Peter Jason
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:21:17 -0700, Drew
wrote:

Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet
for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26"
touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot
as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer
and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for
recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to
be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it
crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and
then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am
not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a
op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the
drive as well as any other software/drivers needed.


I had a fried HDD once, a long time ago, and I fixed it by swapping
over its burned-out control card with one from a same model & type.
Perhaps a local fixit shop may try this for you?
  #12  
Old October 17th 15, 04:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/14/2015 5:59 PM, Paul wrote:
Drew wrote:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came
with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a
closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it
anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would
give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works
great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new
kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has
taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in
the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it
crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and
then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am
not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a
op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on
the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed.


Since you installed Win10 already, that generated Digital Entitlement
for another copy of 10240. That's the RTM (release) version of
the OS offered to free upgrade (GWX) customers. That install
operation, created a license key for your usage, which is stored
on a Microsoft server. There is no need for "MagicJellyBean"
or the like in this case.

You use MediaCreationTool to get another copy of Win10 as a DVD.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

That web page behaves two ways. If you browse there from a WinXP
computer or if you browse there from a Linux computer, you are
given a *direct* link to the download. The download seems to be
unreliable that way. I received two truncated files (not enough
bytes). I presume this is to punish me for not using
a computer that will run the MediaCreationTool and do it
that way. The MediaCreationTool probably checks the download
for correctness/completion, because I didn't have a problem
with that.

These are typical sizes and checksums. I don't know
if yours would be exactly the same - however, if what
you get is only ~2GB in size, you know there is a problem.
You will probably be getting the x64 DVD, which will
run 64 bit or 32 bit programs, and only have a problem
with very old 16 bit installers (used by some old programs).

Win10_English_x64.iso 4,083,853,312 bytes (US English?)
Win10_English_x32.iso 3,052,865,536 bytes (US English?)

MD5sum = 99feb0f9e7262b7eefa460840a31b59d Win10_English_x32.iso
MD5sum = 23e397a21a9e01f141c64b7e1260314a Win10_English_x64.iso

On the computer doing the download, these are two potential
storage areas. If MediaCreationTool is running, it uses ~WS
for staging, and may erase ~BT while it is at it. I would
use a Windows machine where I am comfortable there won't
be a conflict with some other ongoing activity of that
nature.

When these directories are full, they can be
anywhere from 3 to 6GB in size, so you can tell if they're
"busy" with something. For example, if your technician
computer is a Win8 machine in the middle of GWX, and
you ran MediaCreationTool on that machine, the ~BT would
get cleaned out (for no particular good reason), and the
GWX activity would be upset by it. No idea how this
stuff recovers. I have plenty of VMs around here,
if I need a "pristine" downloader environment,
I can cook one up. So this is a warning, only
if you're doing multiple of these activities at the
same time.

C:\$WINDOWS.~BT --- GWX storage area
C:\$WINDOWS.~WS --- MediaCreationTool storage area (i.e. download a DVD)

*******

Just use the first link above, and you should be all set.
Pop a new drive in the IQ804, your Win10 license key is
stored on a Microsoft server, and when you use the
MediaCreationTool DVD to install the OS (boot it),
it should contact Microsoft for the key. When you
see a license key box, the word "Skip" should be
near the box. Click "Skip" and the installer
contacts Microsoft when it wants the key.

If you don't see the word "Skip", then the installer
is apparently not able to locate your key.

The installer computes a hardware hash, using things
like the NIC MAC address as "unique" information. That's
how it looks up your license key. The only hardware changed
in your config now, is the new hard drive serial number, and
with any luck, that's not enough to send you back
to square one... :-) The vast majority of your hardware
is the same as it was before the hardware failure, so
I don't expect a problem with this clean installation.

Paul

My many Thanks to Paul and Winston for your help in "walking" me through
the replacement and subsequent install of the hard drive and reinstall
of a fresh win 10. The touchsmart is working fine at this time and
hopefully will stay that way. I upped it from a 500gig to a 1 tb drive
and it might even be a little snappier than before!
  #13  
Old October 20th 15, 06:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Charlie
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On 10/16/2015 9:46 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:21:17 -0700, Drew
wrote:

Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in
performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it
would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet
for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26"
touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot
as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer
and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for
recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to
be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead.
My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it
crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and
then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am
not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a
op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the
drive as well as any other software/drivers needed.


I had a fried HDD once, a long time ago, and I fixed it by swapping
over its burned-out control card with one from a same model & type.
Perhaps a local fixit shop may try this for you?

The chances of this being totally successful are not good! Turns out
that even the same make and model drive can differ in spared tracks and
so forth. Been there tried that!
 




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