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  #46  
Old July 27th 14, 06:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does it
very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not many
people use it. Malware writers will have a better target rate if
they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is where money can
be made; Not on Linux users who are not likely to be using Linux for
any serious business.


It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without confirmation.
Heck they can't even install toolbar for any browser


Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use a
buffer overflow and you are right into root. And you just leave your
rootkit and the user has no idea (and most users doesn't even scan for
malware). In fact, rootkit is new to the Windows world and *nix had them
for decades now.


More FUD and bull**** from our resident braggart.

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  #47  
Old July 27th 14, 06:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does it
very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not many
people use it. Malware writers will have a better target rate if
they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is where money
can be made; Not on Linux users who are not likely to be using
Linux for any serious business.


It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without confirmation.
Heck they can't even install toolbar for any browser


Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use a
buffer overflow and you are right into root.


Provide easy example...

And you just leave your
rootkit and the user has no idea (and most users doesn't even scan
for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to the Windows world and *nix
had them for decades now.

I didn't seen rootkit on Linux server long ago.

You are talking about server program vulnerabilities.
Show me buffer overflow exploit on desktop...

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  #48  
Old July 27th 14, 06:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:47:13 +0200
Alias wrote:

BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does it
very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not many
people use it. Malware writers will have a better target rate if
they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is where money
can be made; Not on Linux users who are not likely to be using
Linux for any serious business.

It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without confirmation.
Heck they can't even install toolbar for any browser


Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use a
buffer overflow and you are right into root. And you just leave your
rootkit and the user has no idea (and most users doesn't even scan
for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to the Windows world and *nix
had them for decades now.


More FUD and bull**** from our resident braggart.


Seems, so...

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  #49  
Old July 27th 14, 07:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use a
buffer overflow and you are right into root. And you just leave your
rootkit and the user has no idea (and most users doesn't even scan
for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to the Windows world and *nix
had them for decades now.


That applied to a server running with root privilege. That bug has
been fixed. You don't run a desktop Linux operating system with root
privilege.

When I first started using Linux Mint I was concerned with security.
After using it for 8 months, I know I'm more secure running Linux
without any malware protection, than running Windows with Avast or any
other anti-virus program.


  #50  
Old July 27th 14, 07:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 12:22 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 12:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 10:08 AM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 10:41 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 9:34 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 9:06 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have
to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to
serve
our needs, not the other way around.

It isn't that hard at all and the more you use it, the more it makes a
lot of sense. Doing it otherwise would have been more
counterproductive.

Lots of things are better under 8 compared to 7. The Task Manager, file
transfers, SSD support, Performance Monitor, On Screen Keyboard, Hybrid
Sleep, faster booting, etc. are all better.

Faster booting before the 8.1 update. I used to be able to push the
power button and be typing in the Google Chrome search bar in 45 seconds
(same as my Windows 7 machine with a hybrid HDD) now it takes anywhere
from 1:30 to 1:45+ depending on the weather. Reboots are 3 minutes plus!


Wow, really? Why? I just checked mine and 20 seconds to shutdown and 10
seconds to boot. And this one has all of the updates.


Google "Windows 8.1 update slow boot". Some people that updated to
Windows 8.1 from 8 are getting a black screen and it never boots.


Oh no, I believe you and I don't doubt that for a second. Updates are a
very serious matter and can toast your OS. Most of the time they don't,
but you still should take updates as a serious matter and have backup plans.

10 seconds to push the power button, open Chrome, and start typing? I
find that hard to believe, especially if you are using a SATA HDD.


I don't use Chrome, but 10 seconds after hitting the power button the
desktop is there and I can use the Windows search right away. And no,
check the sig, this one doesn't have a hard drive anymore, just a cheapo
slowest in its class SSD.

Just off of the top of my head here are a few reasons I like Windows 7
better than Windows 8.1.

Boot and reboot time


I don't know why yours is that way.

Don't need a 3rd party start button/menu (no biggie really), but still


I don't need or use 3rd party Start either. I can use Windows 8 just
fine without them.


Many people including myself prefer a traditional start menu.


I know, as that is what I have heard. I think the last time I needed a
traditional Start Menu was back in 2007.

No media center (home edition)


I have the Media Center. I bought Windows 8 for this machine for $39.95
and Microsoft offered the Media Center for free back in Jan 2013.

Can't play DVDs with WMP


I can.


Yeah, and you paid for it. Windows 7 has it.


No I didn't, it was free. Today you have to pay 10 bucks which seems
very reasonable if you ask me. Almost no software is 10 bucks anymore.

Can't boot into safe mode when starting the computer (F8)


You can't? Been using Windows 8 since March 2012 and I never had the
need yet.


No, you can't.


Okay so you have to use Recovery mode to get to Safe Mode now, no big deal.

No Windows update bubble


I get notifications when there are new updates.


A notification which you may not see is not the same as a constant
reminder in the taskbar.


That where mine shows up, in the notification area. Why yours doesn't? I
could have sworn it shows up with that white flag called the Action Center.

Since upgrade to Windows 8.1 it is slow to recognize some plug and play
devices (if it even recognizes them at all)


Wow! I haven't seen this either.


Come on over and I will show you. Just 2 nights ago it took me forever
to get Windows 8.1 to recognize my TomTom so I could update it. Before
updating to from Windows 8 the second I plugged in my TT it was recognized.


I don't know if I would blame Windows 8 for a third party driver problem.

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  #51  
Old July 27th 14, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 12:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does it
very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not many
people use it. Malware writers will have a better target rate if
they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is where money
can be made; Not on Linux users who are not likely to be using
Linux for any serious business.

It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without confirmation.
Heck they can't even install toolbar for any browser


Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use a
buffer overflow and you are right into root.


Provide easy example...

And you just leave your rootkit and the user has no idea (and most
users doesn't even scan for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to
the Windows world and *nix had them for decades now.

I didn't seen rootkit on Linux server long ago.

You are talking about server program vulnerabilities.
Show me buffer overflow exploit on desktop...


Sure easy enough. For example, 7 months they were passing out a Linux
trojan and nobody caught it. If it was on Windows, AV would have erased
it in micro seconds.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/

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  #52  
Old July 27th 14, 07:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 1:04 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use a
buffer overflow and you are right into root. And you just leave your
rootkit and the user has no idea (and most users doesn't even scan
for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to the Windows world and *nix
had them for decades now.


That applied to a server running with root privilege. That bug has
been fixed. You don't run a desktop Linux operating system with root
privilege.


No, you can hack into a Linux machine with the user not logged in as
root. It is easy enough to do through the many vulnerable buffer
overflow holes that exists within Linux.

When I first started using Linux Mint I was concerned with security.
After using it for 8 months, I know I'm more secure running Linux
without any malware protection, than running Windows with Avast or any
other anti-virus program.


I have been running Windows since '93 and I never had a malware
infection yet. There are others here that can claim the same too. So we
must be doing something right, you think?

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  #53  
Old July 27th 14, 07:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

BillW50 wrote:
I have been running Windows since '93 and I never had a malware
infection yet. There are others here that can claim the same too. So we
must be doing something right, you think?


You're probably infected and don't know it. AV and other scanners are
*always* behind and if the malware isn't in their definitions, you can
be infected and not know it.

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  #54  
Old July 27th 14, 07:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Melzzzzz[_2_]
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:26:05 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does
it very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not many
people use it. Malware writers will have a better target rate if
they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is where money
can be made; Not on Linux users who are not likely to be using
Linux for any serious business.

It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without confirmation.
Heck they can't even install toolbar for any browser

Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use
a buffer overflow and you are right into root.


Provide easy example...

And you just leave your rootkit and the user has no idea (and most
users doesn't even scan for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to
the Windows world and *nix had them for decades now.

I didn't seen rootkit on Linux server long ago.

You are talking about server program vulnerabilities.
Show me buffer overflow exploit on desktop...


Sure easy enough. For example, 7 months they were passing out a Linux
trojan and nobody caught it. If it was on Windows, AV would have
erased it in micro seconds.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/


This is not what you re talking about. User simply downloaded malware
binaries by hand on server and runned it. You can download and run
malware no problem but this is not hacking Linux...
Show me buffer overrun, show me how it is easy to hack Linux...

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  #55  
Old July 27th 14, 07:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Melzzzzz[_2_]
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:31:05 -0500
BillW50 wrote:


I have been running Windows since '93 and I never had a malware
infection yet.


Ahahahahahhahah

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  #56  
Old July 27th 14, 08:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 1:52 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:26:05 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does
it very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not many
people use it. Malware writers will have a better target rate if
they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is where money
can be made; Not on Linux users who are not likely to be using
Linux for any serious business.

It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without confirmation.
Heck they can't even install toolbar for any browser

Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use
a buffer overflow and you are right into root.

Provide easy example...

And you just leave your rootkit and the user has no idea (and most
users doesn't even scan for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to
the Windows world and *nix had them for decades now.

I didn't seen rootkit on Linux server long ago.

You are talking about server program vulnerabilities.
Show me buffer overflow exploit on desktop...


Sure easy enough. For example, 7 months they were passing out a Linux
trojan and nobody caught it. If it was on Windows, AV would have
erased it in micro seconds.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/


This is not what you re talking about. User simply downloaded malware
binaries by hand on server and runned it. You can download and run
malware no problem but this is not hacking Linux...
Show me buffer overrun, show me how it is easy to hack Linux...


Really? You want me to expose my black book of hacks to the public?
Hackers never publish their hacks, where have you been? That would be
stupid since then they would be patched and the hacks would become
worthless.

And the talk about banks using Linux, yeah that is so easy. If you are
not up to the task yourself, you can purchase a kit to do just that.

https://blogs.rsa.com/thieves-reachi...nux-inth3wild/

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  #57  
Old July 27th 14, 08:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Melzzzzz[_2_]
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:01:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 1:52 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:26:05 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does
it very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not
many people use it. Malware writers will have a better target
rate if they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is
where money can be made; Not on Linux users who are not
likely to be using Linux for any serious business.

It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without
confirmation. Heck they can't even install toolbar for any
browser

Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to
use a buffer overflow and you are right into root.

Provide easy example...

And you just leave your rootkit and the user has no idea (and
most users doesn't even scan for malware). In fact, rootkit is
new to the Windows world and *nix had them for decades now.

I didn't seen rootkit on Linux server long ago.

You are talking about server program vulnerabilities.
Show me buffer overflow exploit on desktop...

Sure easy enough. For example, 7 months they were passing out a
Linux trojan and nobody caught it. If it was on Windows, AV would
have erased it in micro seconds.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/


This is not what you re talking about. User simply downloaded
malware binaries by hand on server and runned it. You can download
and run malware no problem but this is not hacking Linux...
Show me buffer overrun, show me how it is easy to hack Linux...


Really? You want me to expose my black book of hacks to the public?


Hahahhahahahhaha.




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  #58  
Old July 27th 14, 08:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 1:52 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:31:05 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

I have been running Windows since '93 and I never had a malware
infection yet.


Ahahahahahhahah


I came close once back in 2001 when I installed Windows 2000 and went
online without an AV or a firewall. And I did the Windows updates and
downloaded an AV. Then I decided to scan for malware before I reboot to
install the Windows updates and I'll be dang, one bot slipped me a virus
that would have installed on the next boot. Learned an important lesson
that day.

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  #59  
Old July 27th 14, 08:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 2:03 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:01:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 1:52 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:26:05 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

Safer? LOL! Linux doesn't do malware. Windows does and it does
it very well.

There is no point in creating malwares for Linux because not
many people use it. Malware writers will have a better target
rate if they spend time on Windows system knowing that it is
where money can be made; Not on Linux users who are not
likely to be using Linux for any serious business.

It is very difficult to write malware for Linux. Actually it is
currently impossible to get malware on Linux without
confirmation. Heck they can't even install toolbar for any
browser

Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to
use a buffer overflow and you are right into root.

Provide easy example...

And you just leave your rootkit and the user has no idea (and
most users doesn't even scan for malware). In fact, rootkit is
new to the Windows world and *nix had them for decades now.

I didn't seen rootkit on Linux server long ago.

You are talking about server program vulnerabilities.
Show me buffer overflow exploit on desktop...

Sure easy enough. For example, 7 months they were passing out a
Linux trojan and nobody caught it. If it was on Windows, AV would
have erased it in micro seconds.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/

This is not what you re talking about. User simply downloaded
malware binaries by hand on server and runned it. You can download
and run malware no problem but this is not hacking Linux...
Show me buffer overrun, show me how it is easy to hack Linux...


Really? You want me to expose my black book of hacks to the public?


Hahahhahahahhaha.


Are you one of those Linux lemmings who believes that Linux is malware
proof? Hahahahahaha!

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  #60  
Old July 27th 14, 08:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 07/27/2014 12:00 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 10:08 AM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 10:41 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 9:34 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 9:06 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
I don't think I'm too old to learn new stuff, but why should I have
to, just to do what I could do before? Computers are supposed to serve
our needs, not the other way around.

It isn't that hard at all and the more you use it, the more it makes a
lot of sense. Doing it otherwise would have been more counterproductive.

Lots of things are better under 8 compared to 7. The Task Manager, file
transfers, SSD support, Performance Monitor, On Screen Keyboard, Hybrid
Sleep, faster booting, etc. are all better.


Faster booting before the 8.1 update. I used to be able to push the
power button and be typing in the Google Chrome search bar in 45 seconds
(same as my Windows 7 machine with a hybrid HDD) now it takes anywhere
from 1:30 to 1:45+ depending on the weather. Reboots are 3 minutes plus!


Wow, really? Why? I just checked mine and 20 seconds to shutdown and 10
seconds to boot. And this one has all of the updates.


Is yours truly shutting down all the way or are you using the fast
startup feature? The fast startup is default for 8/8.1, it sends the
computer into a S4 power state which is not a complete shut down but a
hibernate condition.


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