Network Phone???

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone
named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is
someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks
for any and all help.

Regards, Rene

Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone
named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is
someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks
for any and all help.


I just did a Google search on "occam phone" and found a number of people with
the same experience. I don't have the time to read through all of it, but you
might try doing the same search and see what other people are experiencing.

Someone did a test here, where they turned off Wifi and their Windows
device was still reporting "spurious" devices.

Since my Windows here "remembers" or "knows about" devices that
are no longer running on the network, I'd have to guess the response
with Wifi disabled on the router, means Windows is dredging up an
old reference and showing it to you.

Since I multiboot here, I think the "memory" of network discovery,
is in the SSDP on the other computers on the same network. Although
the poster here did a test where

http://www.eightforums.com/network-s...why-how-6.html

laptop --- router (Wifi disabled)
^
|
+--- *Still* sees spurious reference

So the laptop itself is holding the old references (until
Windows tries to contact them, and they disappear since
they're not really there).

Very puzzling.

I would not have thought that a device that failed to connect
properly (entered WPA2 password), would be able to carry
out any Windows protocols at all. SSDP packets should not
have been able to enter the network. Only at the SSID level,
might some device have been identified. As I don't use Wifi
at all here, does Wifi actually do that ? Can you see "client
devices lounging in the neighborhood" ? I thought SSID was
used by a router for announcement. Would the SSID be
coming from devices that are attempting to run ADHOC
mode connections ?

As a test, a person could try turning off SSDP and see if
the silly behavior stops. But that might be inconvenient if
you're streaming video or doing some other node-to-node
services.

I've never seen a reference to "Nexus" here, but then
I don't have a working Wifi of any sort. Only my laptop
has Wifi client and the radio is turned off. My routers
are wired - never had one with Wifi.

Paul

Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone
named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is
someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks
for any and all help.

Regards, Rene

Not sure what YOU mean by portable phones? Are those cordless phones
that connect to a base station? Or cellular phones aka mobile phones?

You sure none of your wireless phones (portable or cellular) have a
Bluetooth function and it's enabled? Bluetooth is an ad hoc network. I
didn't bother to check if your router supports Bluetooth, but then you
could have an access point (AP) with Bluetooth support or a USB
Bluetooth dongle plugged into the router, AP, computer, or somewhere in
your network to add Bluetooth devices that way. If you don't use
Bluetooth devices (cameras, phones, laptops, etc) then disable it in
those devices.

Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See:
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...-in-windows-8/

Are any of your computers configured as a gateway (e.g., ICS)?

That is a wifi router. Did you lock it down so only the devices you
specify can connect to it? Do you use its wifi feature? If not,
disable wifi and just use cabled connections to the router (easier to
secure).

Have you even bothered to change the login password on the router to
something OTHER than the factory default so someone else couldn't use
the default password? Did you disable the remote management feature?

When you press the WPS button on the router, there is a 2-minute window
of vulnerability when some other device can get auth'ed to connect to
the router. Ease of use and security are the antithesis of each other.
You can instead use their WPS wizard dialog (pages 118 in the manual) in
the router to get a PIN and tote it over to the device that YOU want to
authorize for access instead of letting any device in the area announce
itself during the open window when using the WPS button.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4

The Nexus 4 phone gets identified by "occam". Could be a drive-by,
neighbor, or friend that connected to your network. Lock it down by
allowing only the devices you specify to connect to the router, and
perhaps stop using the WPS button that opens a 2-minute window for
anyone to get authorized during that time.

On 5/4/2015 7:53 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone
named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is
someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks
for any and all help.

Regards, Rene

Change the password on the router. There is a freeware program called
Softperfect WiFi Guard which when I run it, tells me the MAC address of
my equipment connected to the router. If you can find the MAC of the
Occam, you can block it in the router. Just make sure you don't have any
"smart" equipment, tv, refrigerator and things.


KenW



Will change password and use Softperfect program, Thanks Ken

Regards, Rene

On 5/4/2015 8:38 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone
named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is
someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks
for any and all help.


I just did a Google search on "occam phone" and found a number of people with
the same experience. I don't have the time to read through all of it, but you
might try doing the same search and see what other people are experiencing.



Thanks Storm, Will do today.

Regards, Rene

On 5/4/2015 9:54 PM, Paul wrote:
Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2015 19:42:29 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and
what do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a
Phone named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this
is someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This.
Thanks for any and all help.


I just did a Google search on "occam phone" and found a number of
people with
the same experience. I don't have the time to read through all of it,
but you
might try doing the same search and see what other people are
experiencing.

Someone did a test here, where they turned off Wifi and their Windows
device was still reporting "spurious" devices.

Since my Windows here "remembers" or "knows about" devices that
are no longer running on the network, I'd have to guess the response
with Wifi disabled on the router, means Windows is dredging up an
old reference and showing it to you.

Since I multiboot here, I think the "memory" of network discovery,
is in the SSDP on the other computers on the same network. Although
the poster here did a test where

http://www.eightforums.com/network-s...why-how-6.html


laptop --- router (Wifi disabled)
^
|
+--- *Still* sees spurious reference

So the laptop itself is holding the old references (until
Windows tries to contact them, and they disappear since
they're not really there).

Very puzzling.

I would not have thought that a device that failed to connect
properly (entered WPA2 password), would be able to carry
out any Windows protocols at all. SSDP packets should not
have been able to enter the network. Only at the SSID level,
might some device have been identified. As I don't use Wifi
at all here, does Wifi actually do that ? Can you see "client
devices lounging in the neighborhood" ? I thought SSID was
used by a router for announcement. Would the SSID be
coming from devices that are attempting to run ADHOC
mode connections ?

As a test, a person could try turning off SSDP and see if
the silly behavior stops. But that might be inconvenient if
you're streaming video or doing some other node-to-node
services.

I've never seen a reference to "Nexus" here, but then
I don't have a working Wifi of any sort. Only my laptop
has Wifi client and the radio is turned off. My routers
are wired - never had one with Wifi.

Paul


Weird, this morning its not there! will do more digging and see what I
can find about it on Google,

Regards Rene

On 5/5/2015 4:26 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone
named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is
someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks
for any and all help.

Regards, Rene


I have no cordless phones of any kind, Only hardwired landline phone no
cellular or any type

Not sure what YOU mean by portable phones? Are those cordless phones
that connect to a base station? Or cellular phones aka mobile phones?

You sure none of your wireless phones (portable or cellular) have a
Bluetooth function and it's enabled? Bluetooth is an ad hoc network. I
didn't bother to check if your router supports Bluetooth, but then you
could have an access point (AP) with Bluetooth support or a USB
Bluetooth dongle plugged into the router, AP, computer, or somewhere in
your network to add Bluetooth devices that way. If you don't use
Bluetooth devices (cameras, phones, laptops, etc) then disable it in
those devices.

No Bluetooth devices of any type.


Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See:
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...-in-windows-8/

Are any of your computers configured as a gateway (e.g., ICS)?


No adhoc network, none as gateway.

That is a wifi router. Did you lock it down so only the devices you
specify can connect to it? Do you use its wifi feature? If not,
disable wifi and just use cabled connections to the router (easier to
secure).

Can;t use cat5 on my main unit, too far from router, the other one is
hardwired.


Have you even bothered to change the login password on the router to
something OTHER than the factory default so someone else couldn't use
the default password? Did you disable the remote management feature?

When you press the WPS button on the router, there is a 2-minute window
of vulnerability when some other device can get auth'ed to connect to
the router. Ease of use and security are the antithesis of each other.
You can instead use their WPS wizard dialog (pages 118 in the manual) in
the router to get a PIN and tote it over to the device that YOU want to
authorize for access instead of letting any device in the area announce
itself during the open window when using the WPS button.

Don't use the WPS function button at all.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4

The Nexus 4 phone gets identified by "occam". Could be a drive-by,
neighbor, or friend that connected to your network. Lock it down by
allowing only the devices you specify to connect to the router, and
perhaps stop using the WPS button that opens a 2-minute window for
anyone to get authorized during that time.


Yes it shows up as a Nexus 4, Its not there this morning.
Thanks for all the ideas Vanguard, will chang password again.

Best regards, Rene

On 5/5/2015 9:04 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/5/2015 4:26 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Today I clicked on my network Icon which I do once in a while and what
do I see besides our 2 computers and ny netgear3700 router but a Phone
named Occam!!
We have no Portable phones in our house so can anyone tell me if this is
someone accessing our network or what should I do to stop This. Thanks
for any and all help.

Regards, Rene


I have no cordless phones of any kind, Only hardwired landline phone no
cellular or any type

Not sure what YOU mean by portable phones? Are those cordless phones
that connect to a base station? Or cellular phones aka mobile phones?

You sure none of your wireless phones (portable or cellular) have a
Bluetooth function and it's enabled? Bluetooth is an ad hoc network. I
didn't bother to check if your router supports Bluetooth, but then you
could have an access point (AP) with Bluetooth support or a USB
Bluetooth dongle plugged into the router, AP, computer, or somewhere in
your network to add Bluetooth devices that way. If you don't use
Bluetooth devices (cameras, phones, laptops, etc) then disable it in
those devices.

No Bluetooth devices of any type.


Did you create an ad hoc network using wifi? See:
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows...-in-windows-8/


Are any of your computers configured as a gateway (e.g., ICS)?


No adhoc network, none as gateway.

That is a wifi router. Did you lock it down so only the devices you
specify can connect to it? Do you use its wifi feature? If not,
disable wifi and just use cabled connections to the router (easier to
secure).

Can;t use cat5 on my main unit, too far from router, the other one is
hardwired.


Have you even bothered to change the login password on the router to
something OTHER than the factory default so someone else couldn't use
the default password? Did you disable the remote management feature?

When you press the WPS button on the router, there is a 2-minute window
of vulnerability when some other device can get auth'ed to connect to
the router. Ease of use and security are the antithesis of each other.
You can instead use their WPS wizard dialog (pages 118 in the manual) in
the router to get a PIN and tote it over to the device that YOU want to
authorize for access instead of letting any device in the area announce
itself during the open window when using the WPS button.

Don't use the WPS function button at all.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_4

The Nexus 4 phone gets identified by "occam". Could be a drive-by,
neighbor, or friend that connected to your network. Lock it down by
allowing only the devices you specify to connect to the router, and
perhaps stop using the WPS button that opens a 2-minute window for
anyone to get authorized during that time.


Yes it shows up as a Nexus 4, Its not there this morning.
Thanks for all the ideas Vanguard, will chang password again.

Best regards, Rene



Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Regards, Rene

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

Regards, Rene

On 5/5/2015 10:58 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of
your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

Regards, Rene

Keep in mind, though the phone may see the network if that is how your
router is set up, it will not try to hook up to it all by itself.
Someone would have had to tell it to attempt to make a connection in one
way or another.

On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting.
The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an
IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a
minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and
you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help
you to track it down, as well.

On 5/5/2015 3:59 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:58:06 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 5/5/2015 10:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 05 May 2015 10:10:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Well I have changed password and switched from my 5GH channel to my
2.4GH channel and that did not help, it's back again so I guess it's not
a real problem I will just let it be,Thanks to everyone who replied.

Rene, are you in an area where your neighbors might be within range of your
wireless router?



Yes, I am about 20 feet from neighbors on both sides, and I suppose they
all have cellphones so i think it may be one of those phones hunting for
a tower or network.

If it has an IP address, it's already beyond the point of harmless hunting.
The router might tell you if the device has an IP address or you can use an
IP scanner (ipscan.exe is one of many) to see what's on your network. At a
minimum, the router should show you the MAC address of the rogue device, and
you can then do a lookup to see which company owns the MAC. That can help
you to track it down, as well.



After much searching and playing with router access I find that there
are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can
probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt mode.
It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will
ignore them now.

Thanks to all who replied.

Regards, Rene

On 5/7/2015 10:12 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:


After much searching and playing with router access I find that there
are numerous phones showing up in Network through the day, so I can
probably assume they are passing vehicles with cell phones set to Hunt
mode.
It would appear that they are not actually on my network so I will
ignore them now.

Thanks to all who replied.

Regards, Rene


In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable
the SSID broadcast. This would help.

On 2015-05-07 11:44 AM, Ken1943 wrote:

In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable
the SSID broadcast. This would help.

I always wondered about that. How would I know which router to connect to
without an SSID ?

If you set the name of the router, you can connect to it without its
SSID being broadcasted. You simply have to write in the name of the
network when you're attempting a connection rather than waiting for
yours to appear as most people do.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

On 5/7/2015 10:49 AM, Ken1943 wrote:


In your router's properties, you should also have an option to disable
the SSID broadcast. This would help.
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28653...y-more-secure/


KenW



Tried not broadcasting SSID for some time but phones still showed up, It
would seem that hiding your SSID is not too useful and according to some
is actually counterproductive.

Regars, Rene