Windows 8 or 10?

Zaghadka wrote:


Windows 8.1, and oddly I think vanilla Windows 8 too on its own track, is
supported until 2023 according to that. Since 8.1 was not a service pack,
their support guidelines don't schedule plain 8 for deprecation, AFAIK.

The lifecycle page you reference is for Windows 8.1 **not** 8.0.

Windows 8.0 support ends on January 12, 2016 (i.e. Deprecation applies)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle?C2=16796

Lifecycle FAQs
http://support2.microsoft.com/gp/lifewinfaq
qp
With the General Availability of Windows 8.1, customers on **Windows 8
have 2 years, until January 12, 2016, to move to Windows 8.1 in order to
remain supported**
/qp

They killed Media Center for sure, but if Media _Player_ is gone, so too
am I, at least until 2023 rolls in. ;^)

Windows 10 will supposedly include a Windows 10 app to play DVD's.


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2015-06-01 8:31 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:05:48 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer
wrote:

On 2015-06-01 6:48 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

Also, if Windows Media Player 12 isn't in the RTM, I'm out. No way am I
using XBox Music to listen to my music: it gets the tags very wrong, and
it doesn't rip CDs. It is also not going to look good in a window.

They killed Media Center for sure, but if Media _Player_ is gone, so too
am I, at least until 2023 rolls in. ;^)

Dude, just use MediaMonkey. It rips into the same formats as Windows
Media Player but also allows you to rip CDs securely (if you register it
and if that feature matters to you). Also, it has excellent tag
management. Also, it allows you to rip to a specific decibel level (to
keep the tracks at the same volume) and levels the volume for anything
you didn't rip with it directly. Why hope that Microsoft provides you
with something decent when something excellent exists free of charge?

I'll look into that. Thanks Slimer.

A few questions. I saw in another thread you saying that it works with
iTunes, does it manage iPods?

It syncs to every imaginable device, including iPods.

Also, and you may not have an answer for
this one, how does it deal with a WMP Music folder. I've got lots of
stuff. I rip almost everything.

If the WMP folder is basically just \Music, it imports it and allows you
to play it directly. If any of those song files has any problems with
the tags, you can correct them within the program. It is especially good
with album art.

Okay. It finished downloading. Maybe it's time to ditch WMP. I like it
though. It's what I know.

WMP is great because it seems lightweight but MediaMonkey is better in
every imaginable way.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)

"JiiPee" wrote in message
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On 01/06/2015 22:28, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:03 PM, JiiPee wrote:
Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free
after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period – not to mention for standalone copies of the OS –
the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the
price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and
is
supported.

I don't know why people have so much trouble reading. It's free if
you download and install it during the first year of its release.
After the first year of its release, you will have to pay to obtain
it but not to use it.

Thats not what they say on this wweb site:
http://www.techradar.com/news/softwa...atures-1029245

so who is right? well, i hope you are right .

if you are right, why people then confuse like this ?

He is right. It's fairly simple. Once Windows 10 is released, you have
one year to get a free update if you have a Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 system.
That gives you twelve months to decide if you want it and it's free to
upgrade and use as long as you have it. If you wait longer than a year,
you have to pay for Windows 10.


How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is
supported
at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.

Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to
pay
after one year with Win10. Why? Because if I have to pay then I have
to
do again a new installation with Win8 after using Win10 one year.
That
will be a lot of work going backwards (because I have propably
installed
many new programs with win10 and now I have to re-install all of
them if
going back to win8).

What are you guys going to do if Win10 price is uncertain? Are you
going
to take a risk and still upgrade to it or stay with win8?

I trust Microsoft. While people hated Vista, I thought it was pretty
innovative and fairly stable. Windows ME stunk, but that's the only
Microsoft OS I really thought was awful even though it introduced
great new features.

been using many months now win8. and am happy with it.

"Zaghadka" wrote in message
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 15:02:41 -0700, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Ken
Blake,
MVP wrote:

It is *not* unknown. It's very clear.

Can you link me to a Microsoft announcement that makes it "very
clear?"
Because I'm still getting a feeling of "vague." Like they could start
charging for constant mandatory incremental updates whenever they feel
like it "vague."

I suspect you are right, but I don't trust it. Please cite your
example.

Microsoft has made it pretty clear that once Windows 10 is installed, it
will be supported and updated at no additional cost:

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwin...ws-windows-10/

Note this part of the post I linked to: "This is more than a one-timee
upgrade. Once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will
continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device -
at no cost."

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:03:10 +0100, JiiPee wrote:

How long Win8 will be supported? I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years. So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.

quote

Windows 8.1 falls under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8, and will
reach end of Mainstream Support on January 9, 2018, and end of Extended
Support on January 10, 2023. With the General Availability of Windows
8.1, customers on Windows 8 have 2 years, until January 12, 2016, to
move to Windows 8.1 in order to remain supported.

/quote

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s|b

Hi, Ken.

Not "get it free for one year", but "for one year, get it free".

There would have been much less confusion if Microsoft had simply organized
their sentence properly. It's the "free for one year" phrase that is the
problem. Instead of saying "get it free for one year", it should have been
worded, "for one year, you can get it free". Simple Sixth-grade English,
right?

They could have added something like, "If you wait more than one year to get
Windows 10, you will need to pay for it. But once you get it - now or 3
years from now - it and all its updates will be free for the life of the
device". And then, of course, they could explain what they mean by "life of
the device.".

Since you are a bit of a linguist. Ken, maybe you could explain this to
someone at the next MVP Summit. ;)

RC
-- --
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 22:03:10 +0100, JiiPee wrote:

Well, seems like there is a possibility that Win10 is *not* free after
the first year:
"For Windows 7 and 8.1 users, Windows 10 will be free for one year.
After that period ? not to mention for standalone copies of the OS ? the
asking price is still a mystery."

This is not a good news as I am not willing to pay more than the price I
already paid with Win8. If its true that Win10 is asking more money
after 2016, then I think I will stick to Win8 as long as it runs and is
supported.


You are misreading that statement. You can get it for free for one
year after release (July 29). After the end of that year, you can no
longer *get* it for free, but if you already have it, you have it. No
payment is required to continue using it.



How long Win8 will be supported?


Until January 10, 2023, See
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle


I Think I heard that win7 is supported
at least 5 more years.


Until January 14, 2020



So I guess win8 also at least 5 years.


Don't guess. Read what I says on the link above.


Also, it is not good at all if it is unknown whether people have to pay
after one year with Win10.


It is *not* unknown. It's very clear.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 21:58:06 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

Not "get it free for one year", but "for one year, get it free".

There would have been much less confusion if Microsoft had simply organized
their sentence properly. It's the "free for one year" phrase that is the
problem. Instead of saying "get it free for one year", it should have been
worded, "for one year, you can get it free". Simple Sixth-grade English,
right?


Right.


They could have added something like, "If you wait more than one year to get
Windows 10, you will need to pay for it. But once you get it - now or 3
years from now - it and all its updates will be free for the life of the
device". And then, of course, they could explain what they mean by "life of
the device.".


Yes, your suggestions would be improvements. They wrote it in ways
that confused many people, but that's nothing new for Microsoft.


Since you are a bit of a linguist. Ken, maybe you could explain this to
someone at the next MVP Summit. ;)


I'm not a linguist, but yes, it's a subject in which I'm interested.
And although I'd like to go, I doubt very much that I'll be able to
make this year's summit. My wife and I will be away on a vacation
that time of year.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 21:58:06 -0500, "R. C. White"

They could have added something like, "If you wait more than one year to get
Windows 10, you will need to pay for it. But once you get it - now or 3
years from now - it and all its updates will be free for the life of the
device". And then, of course, they could explain what they mean by "life of
the device.".


Yes, your suggestions would be improvements. They wrote it in ways
that confused many people, but that's nothing new for Microsoft.



And there is a difference in how some folks are interpeting that 'life'
terms

'Life of the device' is different than for the 'life of the license' or
'life of Windows 10'


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

PAS wrote:
Thats not what they say on this wweb site:
http://www.techradar.com/news/softwa...atures-1029245

so who is right? well, i hope you are right .

if you are right, why people then confuse like this ?

He is right. It's fairly simple. Once Windows 10 is released, you
have one year to get a free update if you have a Windows 7, 8, or 8.1
system. That gives you twelve months to decide if you want it and
it's free to upgrade and use as long as you have it. If you wait
longer than a year, you have to pay for Windows 10.


I would imagine that once you activate the windows 10, your key to windows 8
will no longer work, so there may be no going back.