Clipboard

It was my belief that under Win7 one could put something on the
clipboard with ctrl-C, try to recover it with ctrl_V, only to get the
previous item put on the clipboard not the item just ctrl-C'd.

It seems the same is true of Win 10. Is it?

On 9/26/2018 12:33 PM, Peter Percival wrote:
It was my belief that under Win7 one could put something on the
clipboard with ctrl-C, try to recover it with ctrl_V, only to get the
previous item put on the clipboard not the item just ctrl-C'd.

It seems the same is true of Win 10.Â* Is it?

I've not experienced what you describe on any version of Windows,
including Win10, *unless* I made an error in highlighting the "new" item
that I want to copy. A "null selection" results in what you've seen.

--
best regards,

Neil

Peter Percival wrote:

It was my belief that under Win7 one could put something on the
clipboard with ctrl-C, try to recover it with ctrl_V, only to get the
previous item put on the clipboard not the item just ctrl-C'd.

AFAIK that would only happen if what you were trying to 'copy' onto the
clipboard was not, in fact, copyable.

It seems the same is true of Win 10.Â* Is it?

Win10 is no different, more likely to be the source app, or document
(e.g a PDF with the copy protection bit set)

Peter Percival wrote:

It was my belief that under Win7 one could put something on the
clipboard with ctrl-C, try to recover it with ctrl_V, only to get the
previous item put on the clipboard not the item just ctrl-C'd.

It seems the same is true of Win 10. Is it?

The Windows Clipboard can only hold one clip at a time. Each time you
copy, the existing clip gets overwritten with the new one. You need to
use a 3rd party clipboard manager if you want to retain a history of
clips.

I use Thornsoft's Clipmate ($35 for 2-computer license). Originally I
got it using their TrialPay scheme: agree to trial something and you got
ClipMate for free (but make sure to choose a trial that is easy to
cancel before it expires, so you don't end up paying for something
else). They still have the TrialPay scheme to get their product for
free (http://thornsoft.com/trialpay.htm). Thereafter the upgrades to
new versions were about $20 each time (I've upgraded twice: once from v5
to v6 and then v6 to v7). ClipMagic used to be free and a close runner
to Clipmate; however, it had a couple bugs and after they fixed them
then the product soon afterward became payware. There are free
clipboard manager but most are very basic. Of course, basic might be
all you need.

VanguardLH wrote:

Peter Percival wrote:

It was my belief that under Win7 one could put something on the
clipboard with ctrl-C, try to recover it with ctrl_V, only to get the
previous item put on the clipboard not the item just ctrl-C'd.

It seems the same is true of Win 10. Is it?

The Windows Clipboard can only hold one clip at a time. Each time you
copy, the existing clip gets overwritten with the new one. You need to
use a 3rd party clipboard manager if you want to retain a history of
clips.

I use Thornsoft's Clipmate ($35 for 2-computer license). Originally I
got it using their TrialPay scheme: agree to trial something and you got
ClipMate for free (but make sure to choose a trial that is easy to
cancel before it expires, so you don't end up paying for something
else). They still have the TrialPay scheme to get their product for
free (http://thornsoft.com/trialpay.htm). Thereafter the upgrades to
new versions were about $20 each time (I've upgraded twice: once from v5
to v6 and then v6 to v7). ClipMagic used to be free and a close runner
to Clipmate; however, it had a couple bugs and after they fixed them
then the product soon afterward became payware. There are free
clipboard manager but most are very basic. Of course, basic might be
all you need.

In addition, Clipmate (and probably other 3rd party clipboard managers)
can make a sound when a clip gets saved. That way, you know you
actually did save a clip. Just because you can highlight some text in
some program doesn't mean you can clip it. With no feedback, you
pressing Ctrl+C doesn't mean a clip got saved. In Windows, there is no
sound event available for the WM_CLIPBOARDUPDATE event to let you assign
a sound file to when the clipboard's contents get changed.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...xchg/clipboard

Also, there are different types of clips: text, HTML, image, and
probably more. You might've clipped an image or included one in a clip
but then you try to paste the clip into something that cannot handle
images, like clipping from an HTML web page and then try to clip the
image into Notepad. Just because it looks like text in a web page
doesn't it is text.

You never mentioned from what you were trying to generate a clip and
into where you attempted to paste it.

VanguardLH wrote:

The Windows Clipboard can only hold one clip at a time.

I don't think the O/P is looking for multiple clipboard buffers, just
wondering why a copy didn't overwrite what was already there?

😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

[...] Â* A few months ago you were trying to buy a
pirated Windows 7 from eBay but it seems you now have Windows 10.

You're confusing me with someone else.

VanguardLH wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:

Peter Percival wrote:

It was my belief that under Win7 one could put something on the
clipboard with ctrl-C, try to recover it with ctrl_V, only to get the
previous item put on the clipboard not the item just ctrl-C'd.

It seems the same is true of Win 10. Is it?

The Windows Clipboard can only hold one clip at a time. Each time you
copy, the existing clip gets overwritten with the new one. You need to
use a 3rd party clipboard manager if you want to retain a history of
clips.

I use Thornsoft's Clipmate ($35 for 2-computer license). Originally I
got it using their TrialPay scheme: agree to trial something and you got
ClipMate for free (but make sure to choose a trial that is easy to
cancel before it expires, so you don't end up paying for something
else). They still have the TrialPay scheme to get their product for
free (http://thornsoft.com/trialpay.htm). Thereafter the upgrades to
new versions were about $20 each time (I've upgraded twice: once from v5
to v6 and then v6 to v7). ClipMagic used to be free and a close runner
to Clipmate; however, it had a couple bugs and after they fixed them
then the product soon afterward became payware. There are free
clipboard manager but most are very basic. Of course, basic might be
all you need.

In addition, Clipmate (and probably other 3rd party clipboard managers)
can make a sound when a clip gets saved. That way, you know you
actually did save a clip. Just because you can highlight some text in
some program doesn't mean you can clip it. With no feedback, you
pressing Ctrl+C doesn't mean a clip got saved. In Windows, there is no
sound event available for the WM_CLIPBOARDUPDATE event to let you assign
a sound file to when the clipboard's contents get changed.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...xchg/clipboard

Also, there are different types of clips: text, HTML, image, and
probably more. You might've clipped an image or included one in a clip
but then you try to paste the clip into something that cannot handle
images, like clipping from an HTML web page and then try to clip the
image into Notepad. Just because it looks like text in a web page
doesn't it is text.

You never mentioned from what you were trying to generate a clip and
into where you attempted to paste it.

Plain text to plain text. So I thought, but reading other replies it
seems I am just mistaken. I blame anno Domini.

Andy Burns wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

The Windows Clipboard can only hold one clip at a time.

I don't think the O/P is looking for multiple clipboard buffers, just
wondering why a copy didn't overwrite what was already there?

Addressed in my reply to my earlier reply. The OP might've highlighted
something that looked like text but wasn't, and they tried to paste into
a program that only accepts text type of clips. Also, some programs can
disable clipping, so you hightlight something and use Ctrl+C thinking
you created a clip but it never happened. 3rd party clipboard managers
usually have sound events so, for example, you can tell when a clip
actually got created in the clipboard.

VanguardLH wrote:

The OP might've highlighted
something that looked like text but wasn't, and they tried to paste into
a program that only accepts text type of clips.

If the copy of non-text was successful, then the paste into a text-only
program won't happen (due to incompatible formats) rather than the even
earlier copied text being pasted instead.

Andy Burns wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

The OP might've highlighted
something that looked like text but wasn't, and they tried to paste into
a program that only accepts text type of clips.

If the copy of non-text was successful, then the paste into a text-only
program won't happen (due to incompatible formats) rather than the even
earlier copied text being pasted instead.

Correct. If the user expected Ctrl+C to add a new clip but Ctrl+V
pastes in an old clip then the user never did add a new clip.

I could not see how to enable a sound event onto the WM_CLIPBOARDUPDATE
event when the clipboard's content changes using the provided sound
config in Windows. That's why I mentioned using a 3rd party clipboard
manager because many of those do have the option of making a sound when
the clipboard's content changes. You have the option to get audible
feedback letting you know a clip was generated when you thought you
generated one.

Besides a program not allowing access to the Windows clipboard, it could
also reassign the Ctrl+C keyboard combination (to do nothing or to do
something other than create a clip) either through remapping or using a
driver to intercept the keyboard's scan codes or just disabling
clipboard access while in the program. For example, some DRM'ed
programs disable access to the clipboard to prevent stealing their
content. No information WHERE Peter used Ctrl+C in trying to generate a
clip.

Windows 10 has extended the clipboard manager to add history. I wasn't
aware of this but happened upon it now while checking how a process can
disable access to the clipboard (within that process, not globally).
Found:

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

Adding a history improves the clipboard but just that addition doesn't
surpass what I can get using a 3rd party clipboard manager. Too late,
too little.

Win+V is the default key combo to get at the clipboard history. Since
I'm not giving up my 3rd party clipboard manager, I've previously and
will continue to use Win+V with PureText. There are still too many time
when I clip something that looks like text from one program only to get
garbage when pasting into another program, and Puretext lets me paste
only the plain-text content of a clip. So I use Ctrl+V to paste what is
in the Windows clipboard in whatever format it was stored or use Win+V
to paste only the plain-text content of the current clip. However, if I
never had a 3rd party clipboard manager and didn't want something like
PureText, the addition of Win+V to show clip history is handy.

VanguardLH wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

The Windows Clipboard can only hold one clip at a time.

I don't think the O/P is looking for multiple clipboard buffers, just
wondering why a copy didn't overwrite what was already there?

Addressed in my reply to my earlier reply. The OP might've highlighted
something that looked like text but wasn't, and they tried to paste into
a program that only accepts text type of clips.

No, plain text to plain text. Rarely do I copy-and-paste anything else.
It seems I was just mistaken about having Ctrl-C'd. Brain damage, or
summat!

Also, some programs can
disable clipping, so you hightlight something and use Ctrl+C thinking
you created a clip but it never happened. 3rd party clipboard managers
usually have sound events so, for example, you can tell when a clip
actually got created in the clipboard.