computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA

micky wrote:
computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA



https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1191898
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1202828

browser.tabs.remote.autostart boolean false

There should then only be one Firefox thingy in Task Manager.

https://prod-cdn.sumo.mozilla.net/up...-39-108784.png

Why do I want to test that ?

In case the URL box is using InterProcess Communications to start.

There's more than a few ways for software to break:

1) Software state machine is corrupted and off in an
unknown state. It cannot "advance" to the next state
when a trigger condition comes in.

2) Resources to handle new input are not available.
Could be a memory leak in some internal memory management,
rather than the machine actually being out of RAM.

3) Once a program starts using multiple processes, there is
then a layer of communications we cannot see, which ties
them together. A ****up there, a lack of resources for the
"pipes" between processes, extends the failure model.

So what I'm doing, is hoping that adding the above boolean to
about:config table, will shrink the program down to one process, and
eliminate (3) altogether.

A combination of bad RAM, and complex software like the
current Firefox design, can also introduce more weird behaviors.
As if there weren't enough of those in older browser versions.

Firefox has plenty of internal instrumentation, but it's
not intended to help users debug stuff. The stuff they've
added is "very pretty" but might as well be wallpaper
for all the good it does.

HTH,
Paul

On 9/29/2018 10:04 PM, micky wrote:
computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA


I haven't seen anything that exactly fits your above description, but I
have noticed a number of delayed connections to URLs, and I would say
that they are more likely caused by the elimination of net neutrality
than Firefox. So, for a bit more clarification about what you're
experiencing:

1) Do you see dots pacing back and forth in the upper left corner of the
Firefox window?

2) Do you get the same results for *all* URLs?

--
best regards,

Neil

Neil wrote:
On 9/29/2018 10:04 PM, micky wrote:
computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA


I haven't seen anything that exactly fits your above description, but I
have noticed a number of delayed connections to URLs, and I would say
that they are more likely caused by the elimination of net neutrality
than Firefox. So, for a bit more clarification about what you're
experiencing:

1) Do you see dots pacing back and forth in the upper left corner of the
Firefox window?

2) Do you get the same results for *all* URLs?


But that behavior usually resolves after no more
than about 20 seconds or so.

That "Knight Rider" thing in the upper left corner of
the browser, when the Firefox "delay" first showed up,
I was blaming Microsoft for the behavior (just the delay
part, not the unnecessary animation). But, I've since
seen Seamonkey 2.49.4 have the same delay at startup,
and Seamonkey is based on a version of Firefox when
Seamonkey suite is updated. The behavior appears to have
been imported from Firefox. It makes it more likely now,
that this is a singular achievement on the part of
Mozilla. It seems to affect the usage of the address
bar the first time, and later address bar usage
won't see the same delay. If I was seeing a 20 second
delay on every Firefox URL entry, I would have promptly
thrown away the version and installed something else.

And some animation like that might be called
a "tab-throbber". Someone here says the userChrome.css
can be edited to change the animation at least. It likely
won't fix the plumbing problem inside the browser, whatever
the problem/feature is.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1176586

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:48:00 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 9/29/2018 10:04 PM, micky wrote:
computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA


I haven't seen anything that exactly fits your above description, but I
have noticed a number of delayed connections to URLs, and I would say
that they are more likely caused by the elimination of net neutrality
than Firefox. So, for a bit more clarification about what you're
experiencing:

1) Do you see dots pacing back and forth in the upper left corner of the
Firefox window?

You mean the upper left corner of the tab-part of the tab? No.
Nothing happening there. That's what I called the moving hyphen.

2) Do you get the same results for *all* URLs?

No. For example I'll display the Trip Advisor list 12 hours after the
last time I listed items and there are 5, 10, or 20 new items. I'll
choose each one in sequence and open it in new tab. Most will work fine
but one or two won't work at all. The url is good, and even if it were
bad, it should say 404 or Having trouble contacting server. If I go back
to the list and start a second new tab for the very same item, that will
almost always work. (So far it's always worked but eventually lightning
will strike twice on the same item.) So the url is good.

I don't see how this could be net neutrality, because even if I wait,
the tab never works, but other tabs started just 2 or 3 seconds before
and after work fine. (Now that I'm good at it, it takes 2 or 3 seconds
to position the cursor, right click, and click on Open new tab. )

I just now opened 6 tabs like this and numbers 1 and 5 didn't open.
Using ctrl-A won't highlight the url in the tab but clicking on it will,
so I highlighted and typed in arrl which it finished by adding .org, and
I pressed enter, but still nothing happened, even though it's a good
url. The tab is done for. I don't even have to shoot it because it's
dead.

I went back and did 2 and 5 again and they worked fine.

It seems to be the tab rather than the url and rather than the web.
Sort of like a water faucet that is not connected to water or a door
that goes nowhere. I don't know why one tab would be different from
another.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 30 Sep 2018 00:23:26 -0400, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA



https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1191898
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1202828

Of the 3 urls you gave me, the one above gave a dead tab the first time.

The second time it opened and was interesting, but I have 8 gigs RAM now
and I'm only useing 1.2 gigs total for Firefox, so I don't think that's
the problem. I have a lot of windows and a lot of tabs, but only a few
tabs have been loaded since the last time i started Firefox. I think
only the loaded ones take more than a smidgeon of ram.

browser.tabs.remote.autostart boolean false

There should then only be one Firefox thingy in Task Manager.

Last night for example, and still today I have 9 Firefox windows open,
but there were only 7 Process lines under the Firefox line. I wonder
why. Some of the windows I've stopped going to so maybe the process got
bored and died. ?? That assumes it had one at first.

BTW, I somehow managed to put an icon for Task Manager in my Task Bar,
so I don't have to go to that all-black screen to get to task manager.


https://prod-cdn.sumo.mozilla.net/up...-39-108784.png

Why do I want to test that ?

In case the URL box is using InterProcess Communications to start.

There's more than a few ways for software to break:

1) Software state machine is corrupted and off in an
unknown state. It cannot "advance" to the next state
when a trigger condition comes in.

2) Resources to handle new input are not available.
Could be a memory leak in some internal memory management,
rather than the machine actually being out of RAM.

3) Once a program starts using multiple processes, there is
then a layer of communications we cannot see, which ties
them together. A ****up there, a lack of resources for the
"pipes" between processes, extends the failure model.

So what I'm doing, is hoping that adding the above boolean to
about:config table, will shrink the program down to one process, and
eliminate (3) altogether.

A combination of bad RAM, and complex software like the
current Firefox design, can also introduce more weird behaviors.
As if there weren't enough of those in older browser versions.

Firefox has plenty of internal instrumentation, but it's
not intended to help users debug stuff. The stuff they've
added is "very pretty" but might as well be wallpaper
for all the good it does.

HTH,
Paul

micky wrote:

computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.

About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA

I didn't see you mention that you tried the following:

- Boot Windows into its safe mode (with networking) and retest.
- Disable all extensions. Reload Firefox and retest.
- Start Firefox in its safe mode.
- Create and testing using a new Firefox profile.

Just an idea to get help. Try reposting in news://news.mozilla.org 's
mozilla.support.firefox newsgroup (also on
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!fo...pport.firefox). Also,
try http://reddit.com/r/firefox subReddit. They should be able to help
you better and quickly.


micky wrote:
computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA
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On 9/30/2018 10:07 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:48:00 -0400, Neil
wrote:

On 9/29/2018 10:04 PM, micky wrote:
computer OT, Dead Firefox tabs

Windows 10-Pro, fully updated, latest version of Firefox, but this has
happened for six months at least through several versions of firefox.

I know this is Firefox but I'm not on the Firefox server and with my old
version of Agent, it would take some thought and time to set it up. So
maybe you can help me.


About one time in 5 or 10, I'll start a new tab in Firefox and the URL
will appear in the big wide url box, but nothing else will happen.

The url is in grey instead of black,
The moving hyphen is in the tab itself won't be there and nothing ever
appears in the window.
There is no way to enliven it.
The circular Reload arrow is greyed out
Clicking on the url highlights the whole url but then pressing Enter
just unhighlights it, makes it grey again, and nothing else happen.

Erasing the url and putting in another one yields the same results, just
for the new url. The back arrow is greyed out as if the previous url
was never noticed.

Taking either of these urls to another new tab, either one is very
likely to work. I don't think I've ever gotten two dead tabs in a row,
except when I use Duplicate tab and then the duplicate is iirc always
dead too. But I have gotten two dead tabs out of 7.

For example, I read Trip Advisor. I display the list of posts, and I
right click on each one in turn, and choose Open Link in New Tab. There
is often one of the tabs that is dead, sometimes 2 out of, say, 7.

The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA


I haven't seen anything that exactly fits your above description, but I
have noticed a number of delayed connections to URLs, and I would say
that they are more likely caused by the elimination of net neutrality
than Firefox. So, for a bit more clarification about what you're
experiencing:

1) Do you see dots pacing back and forth in the upper left corner of the
Firefox window?

You mean the upper left corner of the tab-part of the tab? No.
Nothing happening there. That's what I called the moving hyphen.

OK, then that may be an interruption in Firefox's processing. I would
check Task Manager to see if some app or process is consuming resources.


2) Do you get the same results for *all* URLs?

No. For example I'll display the Trip Advisor list 12 hours after the
last time I listed items and there are 5, 10, or 20 new items. I'll
choose each one in sequence and open it in new tab. Most will work fine
but one or two won't work at all. The url is good, and even if it were
bad, it should say 404 or Having trouble contacting server. If I go back
to the list and start a second new tab for the very same item, that will
almost always work. (So far it's always worked but eventually lightning
will strike twice on the same item.) So the url is good.

I'm getting two different messages from your response. On one hand, some
URLs load instantly, but Trip Advisor doesn't, and that points the
finger outside of your computer (that could be an effect of your ISP,
Trip Advisor's server or status with your ISP, etc., which is how the
net neutrality issue could be involved). On the other, if your use of
"url" is for Trip Advisor rather than some other site, then it
contradicts the first "no". ;-)

It seems to be the tab rather than the url and rather than the web.
Sort of like a water faucet that is not connected to water or a door
that goes nowhere. I don't know why one tab would be different from
another.

I can't reach the same conclusion based on what you wrote, above.

--
best regards,

Neil

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:43:40 -0500,
VanguardLH wrote:


The only advantage is that the url is there in grey and I can go back to
the list, find the same item, again open in in a new tab and this time
it almost always works.

But this happens a lot and is a real inconvenience. TIA

I didn't see you mention that you tried the following:

- Boot Windows into its safe mode (with networking) and retest.
- Disable all extensions. Reload Firefox and retest.
- Start Firefox in its safe mode.
- Create and testing using a new Firefox profile.

All of those sound like good ideas. I've never tried them for anything,
one reason I didn't think of them.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:11:12 -0500,
(Ant) wrote:


Just an idea to get help. Try reposting in news://news.mozilla.org 's
mozilla.support.firefox newsgroup (also on
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!fo...pport.firefox). Also,
try http://reddit.com/r/firefox subReddit. They should be able to help
you better and quickly.

Thanks. Will do.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:16:59 -0400, Neil
wrote:


1) Do you see dots pacing back and forth in the upper left corner of the
Firefox window?
I wrote:
You mean the upper left corner of the tab-part of the tab? No.
Nothing happening there. That's what I called the moving hyphen.

OK, then that may be an interruption in Firefox's processing. I would
check Task Manager to see if some app or process is consuming resources.

I'll do that, but I'm not optimistic.


2) Do you get the same results for *all* URLs?

No. For example I'll display the Trip Advisor list 12 hours after the
last time I listed items and there are 5, 10, or 20 new items. I'll
choose each one in sequence and open it in new tab. Most will work fine
but one or two won't work at all. The url is good, and even if it were
bad, it should say 404 or Having trouble contacting server. If I go back
to the list and start a second new tab for the very same item, that will
almost always work. (So far it's always worked but eventually lightning
will strike twice on the same item.) So the url is good.

I'm getting two different messages from your response. On one hand, some
URLs load instantly, but Trip Advisor doesn't,

Most Trip Advisor pages load instantly also. Only a few don't. There
are other pages that don't also, but most pages I've been looking at are
Trip Advisor. at least a plurality of pages.

and that points the
finger outside of your computer (that could be an effect of your ISP,
Trip Advisor's server or status with your ISP, etc., which is how the
net neutrality issue could be involved). On the other, if your use of
"url" is for Trip Advisor rather than some other site, then it
contradicts the first "no". ;-)

All the pages have a url. Trip Advisor gets testeed more often and a
bit differently because all I have to do is go back to the list and try
again. With other urls maybe I can go back to the webpage or the email
that has the link but maybe I have to copy and paste the url from the
location bar, open a new tab, paste it there and try to open it. Two
or three times as many steps, more time goes by, and so I do it less
often and they don't seem like such good testing examples.


It seems to be the tab rather than the url and rather than the web.
Sort of like a water faucet that is not connected to water or a door
that goes nowhere. I don't know why one tab would be different from
another.

I can't reach the same conclusion based on what you wrote, above.

Thanks anyhow.

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best regards,

Neil

On 10/1/2018 9:43 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:16:59 -0400, Neil
wrote:


1) Do you see dots pacing back and forth in the upper left corner of the
Firefox window?
I wrote:
You mean the upper left corner of the tab-part of the tab? No.
Nothing happening there. That's what I called the moving hyphen.

OK, then that may be an interruption in Firefox's processing. I would
check Task Manager to see if some app or process is consuming resources.

I'll do that, but I'm not optimistic.

If you don't find a process consuming resources to the point where
Firefox freezes and there are no incidents in the Error Log that
identifies a problem with Firefox it points the finger outside of your
computer.


2) Do you get the same results for *all* URLs?

No. For example I'll display the Trip Advisor list 12 hours after the
last time I listed items and there are 5, 10, or 20 new items. I'll
choose each one in sequence and open it in new tab. Most will work fine
but one or two won't work at all. The url is good, and even if it were
bad, it should say 404 or Having trouble contacting server. If I go back
to the list and start a second new tab for the very same item, that will
almost always work. (So far it's always worked but eventually lightning
will strike twice on the same item.) So the url is good.

I'm getting two different messages from your response. On one hand, some
URLs load instantly, but Trip Advisor doesn't,

Most Trip Advisor pages load instantly also. Only a few don't. There
are other pages that don't also, but most pages I've been looking at are
Trip Advisor. at least a plurality of pages.

I think you've missed the point. ALL site servers have a limit to the
number of users that can simultaneously access a URL. That's why DoS
attacks work. There are MANY issues associated with these limits,
including that a site may restrict access to a particular user's browser
ID code (aka user agent codes) in order to increase availability to
other users.

So, it's important to know whether the problem lies within or outside of
your computer, which is what I'm trying to help you determine.

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best regards,

Neil