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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:52:08 -0200, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:22:21 -0700, Mike S wrote: On 10/20/2017 10:09 AM, Paul wrote: Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:08:45 -0700, Mike S wrote: On 10/19/2017 12:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:05:26 -0000 (UTC), Blake Snyder wrote: I have been using the CCleaner registry cleaner for so long that I can't even say how many years it has been. Probably since I first heard about Ccleaner, and never once have I see it be a problem that I could attribute to me cleaning the registry. Four points: 1. As registry cleaners go, CCleaner's is perhaps the safest. 2. "Safest" doesn't mean it's completely safe. There is still a risk in using it. 3. Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry cleaner and never had a problem with it. 4. The problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad bargain. snip #4, don't use any registry cleaner that doesn't allow you to undo the changes you make. Although I'm against using any registry cleaner, if you must use one, I agree with your point. However, note that if a registry cleaner's result is bad enough, you won't be able to boot, and a backup you have won't be of much use. If you backed up the actual registry files, you can put them back "offline". Simply boot your installer CD/DVD to Command Prompt, and "copy" them in. Restore Points also contain copies of the registry files. First you copy the "empty" registry files into the OS offline. That gets the OS booting again. Then you use rstrui to revert via a Restore Point, to a previous point in time, with a full set of registry files. So in principle, simply setting a Restore Point before doing something stupid, is enough. But for the people who have damaged their machines badly enough, that no Restore Point has ever worked, it would be a bad idea to rely on this method alone. If you're going to mess with the Registry, you should at least have some idea how much work it is to "fix" the mess later :-) https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/...indows-xp-from ** Paul Very good points Paul. Linux Live CDs can also be used. e.g. (although this backup wasn't made by ccleaner it demonstrates a gui approach.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbN0eWR9HMs ERUNT creates a complete backup of the registry, and you can restore by simply executing the ERDNT.EXE in the backup folder it from a DOS prompt. (DOSBOX in Linux or a bootable DOS USB made with something like Rufus). I've used it in the past to restore unbootable systems trashed by bad M$ updates. No idea if it works on Vista or worse... Update: It does run on XP, Vista and Win 7 and possibly Win 8 (author's notes). No mention of Win 10 Available he https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/erunt/ []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
In message , Shadow
writes: [] ERUNT creates a complete backup of the registry, and you can restore by simply executing the ERDNT.EXE in the backup folder it from a DOS prompt. (DOSBOX in Linux or a bootable DOS USB made with something like Rufus). I've used it in the past to restore unbootable systems trashed by bad M$ updates. No idea if it works on Vista or worse... []'s Though you have to remember to use 8.3 filenames when running ERUNT, and you have to have some way of getting to a "DOS prompt" that can handle NTFS volumes, if your disc (well, partition) is formatted as that. (Last time I used ERUNT I used a filename of the form YYYYMMDD, but it was many years ago - I just image [using Macrium] the C: and hidden partitions now.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one. (George Mikes in "How to be an Alien".) |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 04:21:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Shadow writes: [] ERUNT creates a complete backup of the registry, and you can restore by simply executing the ERDNT.EXE in the backup folder it from a DOS prompt. (DOSBOX in Linux or a bootable DOS USB made with something like Rufus). I've used it in the past to restore unbootable systems trashed by bad M$ updates. No idea if it works on Vista or worse... []'s Though you have to remember to use 8.3 filenames when running ERUNT, and you have to have some way of getting to a "DOS prompt" that can handle NTFS volumes, if your disc (well, partition) is formatted as that. (Last time I used ERUNT I used a filename of the form YYYYMMDD, but it was many years ago - I just image [using Macrium] the C: and hidden partitions now.) There's a frontend to ERUNT called (strangely enough) ERUNTgui http://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABL...ERUNTgui.shtml http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/eruntgui.html (link to download not working) Which automatically names the folder to a DOS compatible format. I mess around a lot with services and drivers in the registry. I'd hate to have to do an image every time just in case I mess up. Whatever works for you. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
In message , Shadow
writes: On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 04:21:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Shadow writes: [] ERUNT creates a complete backup of the registry, and you can restore by simply executing the ERDNT.EXE in the backup folder it from a DOS prompt. (DOSBOX in Linux or a bootable DOS USB made with something like Rufus). I've used it in the past to restore unbootable systems trashed by bad M$ updates. No idea if it works on Vista or worse... []'s Though you have to remember to use 8.3 filenames when running ERUNT, and you have to have some way of getting to a "DOS prompt" that can handle NTFS volumes, if your disc (well, partition) is formatted as that. (Last time I used ERUNT I used a filename of the form YYYYMMDD, but it was many years ago - I just image [using Macrium] the C: and hidden partitions now.) There's a frontend to ERUNT called (strangely enough) ERUNTgui http://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABL...ERUNTgui.shtml http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/eruntgui.html (link to download not working) [Hmm, a double suffix; ERU/ERD was originally a Microsoft product, on one of the Windows 9x CDs. Then ERU for NT, now a gui for ERU for NT!] It isn't the ERU part - I thought that was more or less gui anyway? - it's the ERD part, i. e. what you run when you can't boot into a GUI - that's important. (No point in a backup if you can't use it.) You're at a DOS (or rather command) prompt anyway at that point. Which automatically names the folder to a DOS compatible format. I mess around a lot with services and drivers in the registry. I'd hate to have to do an image every time just in case I mess up. Whatever works for you. []'s You are right, it's a lot quicker than imaging. For a change that you are pretty sure will only affect the registry, it's a good choice. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf A biochemist walks into a student bar and says to the barman: "I'd like a pint of adenosine triphosphate, please." "Certainly," says the barman, "that'll be ATP." (Quoted in) The Independent, 2013-7-13 |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 13:15:27 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Shadow writes: On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 04:21:19 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Shadow writes: [] ERUNT creates a complete backup of the registry, and you can restore by simply executing the ERDNT.EXE in the backup folder it from a DOS prompt. (DOSBOX in Linux or a bootable DOS USB made with something like Rufus). I've used it in the past to restore unbootable systems trashed by bad M$ updates. No idea if it works on Vista or worse... []'s Though you have to remember to use 8.3 filenames when running ERUNT, and you have to have some way of getting to a "DOS prompt" that can handle NTFS volumes, if your disc (well, partition) is formatted as that. (Last time I used ERUNT I used a filename of the form YYYYMMDD, but it was many years ago - I just image [using Macrium] the C: and hidden partitions now.) There's a frontend to ERUNT called (strangely enough) ERUNTgui http://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABL...ERUNTgui.shtml http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/eruntgui.html (link to download not working) [Hmm, a double suffix; ERU/ERD was originally a Microsoft product, on one of the Windows 9x CDs. Then ERU for NT, now a gui for ERU for NT!] It isn't the ERU part - I thought that was more or less gui anyway? - it's the ERD part, i. e. what you run when you can't boot into a GUI - that's important. (No point in a backup if you can't use it.) You're at a DOS (or rather command) prompt anyway at that point. ERUNTgui backs up to a folder of your choice. I name mine YYYYMMDD (as in 20171021). It's in the options. That folder contains the registry backup and ERUNT.EXE, and is entirely self contained, can be accessed from a remote DOS boot. []'s Which automatically names the folder to a DOS compatible format. I mess around a lot with services and drivers in the registry. I'd hate to have to do an image every time just in case I mess up. Whatever works for you. []'s You are right, it's a lot quicker than imaging. For a change that you are pretty sure will only affect the registry, it's a good choice. -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 23:46:31 -0200, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:52:08 -0200, Shadow wrote: ERUNT creates a complete backup of the registry, and you can restore by simply executing the ERDNT.EXE in the backup folder it from a DOS prompt. (DOSBOX in Linux or a bootable DOS USB made with something like Rufus). I've used it in the past to restore unbootable systems trashed by bad M$ updates. No idea if it works on Vista or worse... Update: It does run on XP, Vista and Win 7 and possibly Win 8 (author's notes). No mention of Win 10 It does run on Windows 10. |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
On 21-Oct-17 12:22 PM, Shadow wrote:
I mess around a lot with services and drivers in the registry. Why? |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
Ken Blake
Fri, 20 Oct 2017 15:39:07 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:08:45 -0700, Mike S wrote: On 10/19/2017 12:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:05:26 -0000 (UTC), Blake Snyder wrote: I have been using the CCleaner registry cleaner for so long that I can't even say how many years it has been. Probably since I first heard about Ccleaner, and never once have I see it be a problem that I could attribute to me cleaning the registry. Four points: 1. As registry cleaners go, CCleaner's is perhaps the safest. 2. "Safest" doesn't mean it's completely safe. There is still a risk in using it. 3. Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry cleaner and never had a problem with it. 4. The problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad bargain. snip #4, don't use any registry cleaner that doesn't allow you to undo the changes you make. Although I'm against using any registry cleaner, if you must use one, I agree with your point. However, note that if a registry cleaner's result is bad enough, you won't be able to boot, and a backup you have won't be of much use. Not true. ERUNT is your friend in the event you seriously ****up. If you can boot recovery media, you can run the program that's sitting with your backup registry and it'll copy the hive files right back to their original locations. Reboot machine again, you're good to go. All you need is access to console to initiate the recovery. -- Now for a cheeky message from our sponsors: Cats must need to use ALL the kitty litter to bury their poop. |
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Hackers hid malware in CCleaner software
Shadow
Fri, 20 Oct 2017 23:52:08 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:22:21 -0700, Mike S wrote: On 10/20/2017 10:09 AM, Paul wrote: Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:08:45 -0700, Mike S wrote: On 10/19/2017 12:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:05:26 -0000 (UTC), Blake Snyder wrote: I have been using the CCleaner registry cleaner for so long that I can't even say how many years it has been. Probably since I first heard about Ccleaner, and never once have I see it be a problem that I could attribute to me cleaning the registry. Four points: 1. As registry cleaners go, CCleaner's is perhaps the safest. 2. "Safest" doesn't mean it's completely safe. There is still a risk in using it. 3. Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry cleaner and never had a problem with it. 4. The problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad bargain. snip #4, don't use any registry cleaner that doesn't allow you to undo the changes you make. Although I'm against using any registry cleaner, if you must use one, I agree with your point. However, note that if a registry cleaner's result is bad enough, you won't be able to boot, and a backup you have won't be of much use. If you backed up the actual registry files, you can put them back "offline". Simply boot your installer CD/DVD to Command Prompt, and "copy" them in. Restore Points also contain copies of the registry files. First you copy the "empty" registry files into the OS offline. That gets the OS booting again. Then you use rstrui to revert via a Restore Point, to a previous point in time, with a full set of registry files. So in principle, simply setting a Restore Point before doing something stupid, is enough. But for the people who have damaged their machines badly enough, that no Restore Point has ever worked, it would be a bad idea to rely on this method alone. If you're going to mess with the Registry, you should at least have some idea how much work it is to "fix" the mess later :-) https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/...-to-recover-fr om-a-corrupted-registry-that-prevents-windows-xp-from ** Paul Very good points Paul. Linux Live CDs can also be used. e.g. (although this backup wasn't made by ccleaner it demonstrates a gui approach.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbN0eWR9HMs ERUNT creates a complete backup of the registry, and you can restore by simply executing the ERDNT.EXE in the backup folder it from a DOS prompt. (DOSBOX in Linux or a bootable DOS USB made with something like Rufus). I've used it in the past to restore unbootable systems trashed by bad M$ updates. No idea if it works on Vista or worse... []'s It does. [g] It's only copying the registry hive files. YOu can do it yourself by hand, and/or pluck them from system restore points too. -- Now for a cheeky message from our sponsors: Man who falls in blast furnace is certain to feel overwrought. |
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