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I have a backup system, an ancient Compaq 5000. I just connected DSL to the
Ethernet port. Firefox doesn't see its usual web sites it sees with a dial- up connection. Is there any way I can see if the computer is seeing DSL? Maybe the Ethernet connection isn't used in this machne or isn't working? Manual illustration of ethernet connector says 'if equippped'. Hints? TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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Ken,
-- IpConfig Should show you which IP your 'puter has netstat -a -n -- Shows all current connections ping google.com -- Will tell you if it can actually reach the interwebs (doesn't automatically mean you can connect to a webpage though) Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional message "KenK" wrote in message ... I have a backup system, an ancient Compaq 5000. I just connected DSL to the Ethernet port. Firefox doesn't see its usual web sites it sees with a dial- up connection. Is there any way I can see if the computer is seeing DSL? Maybe the Ethernet connection isn't used in this machne or isn't working? Manual illustration of ethernet connector says 'if equippped'. Hints? TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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"R.Wieser" wrote in newsq3fr2$1g0s$1
@gioia.aioe.org: -- IpConfig Should show you which IP your 'puter has netstat -a -n -- Shows all current connections ping google.com -- Will tell you if it can actually reach the interwebs (doesn't automatically mean you can connect to a webpage though) Regards, Rudy Wieser Pardon my inexperience, but where do I enter these commands? TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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KenK wrote:
"R.Wieser" wrote in newsq3fr2$1g0s$1 @gioia.aioe.org: -- IpConfig Should show you which IP your 'puter has netstat -a -n -- Shows all current connections ping google.com -- Will tell you if it can actually reach the interwebs (doesn't automatically mean you can connect to a webpage though) Regards, Rudy Wieser Pardon my inexperience, but where do I enter these commands? TIA You want a command prompt window. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/55...command-prompt This is what the windows looks like (on Win10). You'll notice the current working directory shows as a "path" value in the Window. That also gives a hint as to your level of elevation. If the window starts in "C:\Windows\System32", then you belong to the administrator group and you requested the window to be elevated. If you see your own home directory as the path starting point, then you might not be the administrator or the command window isn't elevated. You don't need to worry about this now, but some day, you might need to ask more questions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C...ows_10_RTM.png Some commands require setting the current working directory. Say, for example, it said C:\Windows\System32 and you wanted it pointed to your home directory... cd /d %userprofile% dir cd Downloads The first command would take you to your home directory. The second command allows you to review the file/folder contents and see if you have a Downloads folder or not. The third command changes the current working directory to your Downloads (i.e. to a folder below %userprofile%). Maybe you've downloaded some tools as instructed, into the Downloads folder, and need to be located next to them for some command invocations. When you enter a command, the shell checks all the directories in %PATH% for such an executable, including checking the current working directory. To see your environment variables, including your path, you can use set The %PATH% will include standard system locations. But third-party installers can add path entries to the end of the path, making it quite long. That allows executable files the third-party installers added, to be located when you try to run one. If the executable is *not* in the path, then Command Prompt won't run it (and you will be puzzled by the result). For example, mis-spelled commands will not be located, and there's no spell checker to fix it up. (Linux has a helper of sorts, for this kind of thing.) To review just the %PATH% itself, echo %PATH% ******* The commands Rudy specified, don't require any of the above, but the above may help you in future cmd.exe endeavors. Start : Run : cmd.exe will start that black box running. And get you on the road to becoming a Command Prompt wizard. Paul |
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KenK wrote:
I have a backup system, an ancient Compaq 5000. I just connected DSL to the Ethernet port. Firefox doesn't see its usual web sites it sees with a dial- up connection. Is there any way I can see if the computer is seeing DSL? Maybe the Ethernet connection isn't used in this machne or isn't working? Manual illustration of ethernet connector says 'if equippped'. Hints? TIA In addition to commands Rudy suggested, you can look in Control Panels, at the Network Connections and see if you have a Local Area Network one that uses the NIC in your PC. If your PC has two NICs, the system should be able to detect on its own, that one of them has a live connection. If you haven't wired the ADSL modem correctly to the RJ-11 phone thing, then that's going to be a problem. Make sure that the status LEDs on the ADSL modem, are all green or whatever. It helps if you know what a "good" LED status looks like. Mine has four green LEDs that don't flash, when initialization completes. The LED where the NIC plugs in, that one flashes for packets sent... For a non-truck-roll ADSL install, they give you portable filters. You put a filter on each analog phone, to limit the signal fed to the phone, to 4KHz voice bandwidth. The ADSL modem on the other hand, doesn't use a filter. It goes straight to the phone outlet box. If all the cherries are green on the modem box, then plugging in the LAN cable should have worked. ******* There is one other thing to consider. Ethernet cable type. Modern computers with gigabit (GbE) operating speed, have MDI/MDIX for the four pairs (eight wires) of the RJ-45. That means, the chip can try the wires one way, and if it doesn't work, can flip the connections inside the NIC chip and make it work. If your Compaq had a GbE NIC, most GbE will have MDI. It doesn't matter whether you use a straight thru or a null modem (rolled) ethernet cable in that case. As long as one end has MDI, it'll likely figure it out. On older 10/100BT Ethernet interfaces, you have to use the correct cable. The straight thru one, will have the same color plastic "boot" on both ends. A rolled cable might have a red boot on one end, and a blue boot on the other end. Implying the wiring doesn't go straight thru. In the old days, if you had an ADSL modem, the router box may have come with a short rolled cable, for connecting the two boxes. Whereas the router to computer connections might have been done with a straight cable. While I might not have got all the details right there, the idea is, older computers, there is a potential need to "be careful" about cable type. I have about four computers here with GbE, and I have a GbE switch box, which is why I haven't needed to sort cables in a number of years. And then I forget all the details on the topic as a result... Paul |
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Ken,
Pardon my inexperience, but where do I enter these commands? My apologies, I assumed (for no reason whatsoever) that you already knew. You need to open a CMD window (start - programs - accessories - command prompt), in which you can type them. To leave the window you close the window as usual, or type "exit". Regards, Rudy Wieser -- Origional message: "KenK" wrote in message ... "R.Wieser" wrote in newsq3fr2$1g0s$1 @gioia.aioe.org: -- IpConfig Should show you which IP your 'puter has netstat -a -n -- Shows all current connections ping google.com -- Will tell you if it can actually reach the interwebs (doesn't automatically mean you can connect to a webpage though) Regards, Rudy Wieser Pardon my inexperience, but where do I enter these commands? TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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On 22 Sep 2017 17:23:32 GMT, KenK wrote:
"R.Wieser" wrote in newsq3fr2$1g0s$1 : -- IpConfig Should show you which IP your 'puter has netstat -a -n -- Shows all current connections ping google.com -- Will tell you if it can actually reach the interwebs (doesn't automatically mean you can connect to a webpage though) Regards, Rudy Wieser Pardon my inexperience, but where do I enter these commands? TIA Why not just use the windoze connection wizard or simply go to network connections on the settings tab in the start menu to see what you have. I would try a "repair" on the ethernet adapter while I was there (right click). That will renew all of your addresses. |
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On 23 Sep 2017 16:36:25 GMT, KenK wrote:
wrote in news:69nascttdmc134h6e8mvi2cnnrt1v2r5so@ 4ax.com: On 22 Sep 2017 17:23:32 GMT, KenK wrote: "R.Wieser" wrote in newsq3fr2$1g0s$1 : -- IpConfig Should show you which IP your 'puter has netstat -a -n -- Shows all current connections ping google.com -- Will tell you if it can actually reach the interwebs (doesn't automatically mean you can connect to a webpage though) Regards, Rudy Wieser Pardon my inexperience, but where do I enter these commands? TIA Why not just use the windoze connection wizard or simply go to network connections on the settings tab in the start menu to see what you have. Network Places shows 'The Internet' showing fts.sas.com (what is this?) Not sure but it looks like a URL and My Web Sites on MSN (Right clicking either and looking at Properties just says Folder.) I would try a "repair" on the ethernet adapter while I was there (right click). That will renew all of your addresses. Where should the ethernet adapter show up? Under LAN |
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In message , Paul
writes: KenK wrote: I have a backup system, an ancient Compaq 5000. I just connected DSL to the Ethernet port. Firefox doesn't see its usual web sites it sees with a dial- up connection. Is there any way I can see if the computer is seeing DSL? Maybe the Ethernet connection isn't used in this machne or isn't working? Manual illustration of ethernet connector says 'if equippped'. Hints? TIA As well as all the other suggestions, you can at least check the ethernet port (and cable) are working and active by connecting to your router's web interface - most have one. Consult its instructions, but common ones to try a http://192.168.0.1 (also try ...0.0, ...1.0, and ...1.1) http://10.0.0.2 You should see what looks like a web page, but (probably) with the router manufacturer's name and logo at the top left. This is provided as a way to change settings inside the router. Don't (-:! Also: you imply you're normally using a dial-up connection. So am I right: you normally use the computer you are on now, with a dial-up connection, but you are trying this old computer with (A)DSL? Or, you normally use (A)DSL, but have only used this old computer with dialup before (and that worked)? If the latter, and you're using the same router/DSLMoDem you normally use, then it does seem likely that it is the port or cable that's the problem, which the above effort should show one way or the other, provided you get the right address. (If you tell us what make and model of router/DSL MoDem is on the other end of the cable, someone here'll probably know for sure what the address is.) [] For a non-truck-roll ADSL install, they give you portable filters. You put a filter on each analog phone, to limit the signal fed to the phone, to 4KHz voice bandwidth. The ADSL modem on the other hand, doesn't use a filter. It goes straight to the phone outlet box. [] In the UK, the normal is you get what they call "microfilters", which are little boxes with two sockets and a (short lead with a) plug; 'phones (and fax machines, dial-up MoDems, etc.) go in one socket, ADSL goes in the other. I believe they contain low-pass and high-pass filters. You either put one on each 'phone (or similar) in the house, or all the 'phones - if you have extension wiring - through one, with ADSL through the other - the important thing being _not_ to have any unfiltered 'phones on the same line as the ADSL MoDem. (The ADSL MoDem would _have_ to go via such a box, as our 'phones use a different connector to the one that ADSL leads have [which I assume is a normal US 'phone connector - bit like an ethernet one but narrower]). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Capital flows toward lower costs like a river to lowest ground. "MJ", 2015-12-05 |
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Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote: I have a backup system, an ancient Compaq 5000. I just connected DSL to the Ethernet port. Firefox doesn't see its usual web sites it sees with a dial- up connection. Is there any way I can see if the computer is seeing DSL? Maybe the Ethernet connection isn't used in this machne or isn't working? Manual illustration of ethernet connector says 'if equippped'. Hints? TIA In addition to commands Rudy suggested, you can look in Control Panels, at the Network Connections and see if you have a Local Area Network one that uses the NIC in your PC. If your PC has two NICs, the system should be able to detect on its own, that one of them has a live connection. If you haven't wired the ADSL modem correctly to the RJ-11 phone thing, then that's going to be a problem. Make sure that the status LEDs on the ADSL modem, are all green or whatever. It helps if you know what a "good" LED status looks like. Mine has four green LEDs that don't flash, when initialization completes. The LED where the NIC plugs in, that one flashes for packets sent... For a non-truck-roll ADSL install, they give you portable filters. You put a filter on each analog phone, to limit the signal fed to the phone, to 4KHz voice bandwidth. The ADSL modem on the other hand, doesn't use a filter. It goes straight to the phone outlet box. If all the cherries are green on the modem box, then plugging in the LAN cable should have worked. ******* There is one other thing to consider. Ethernet cable type. Modern computers with gigabit (GbE) operating speed, have MDI/MDIX for the four pairs (eight wires) of the RJ-45. That means, the chip can try the wires one way, and if it doesn't work, can flip the connections inside the NIC chip and make it work. If your Compaq had a GbE NIC, most GbE will have MDI. It doesn't matter whether you use a straight thru or a null modem (rolled) ethernet cable in that case. As long as one end has MDI, it'll likely figure it out. On older 10/100BT Ethernet interfaces, you have to use the correct cable. The straight thru one, will have the same color plastic "boot" on both ends. A rolled cable might have a red boot on one end, and a blue boot on the other end. Implying the wiring doesn't go straight thru. In the old days, if you had an ADSL modem, the router box may have come with a short rolled cable, for connecting the two boxes. Whereas the router to computer connections might have been done with a straight cable. While I might not have got all the details right there, the idea is, older computers, there is a potential need to "be careful" about cable type. I have about four computers here with GbE, and I have a GbE switch box, which is why I haven't needed to sort cables in a number of years. And then I forget all the details on the topic as a result... Paul I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL - haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under Internet Connects is included: Internet Gateway - One entry: Internet Connection Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL. On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection is not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have is a blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have to try it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it works. Not enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and remember before I start up the computer. Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet' sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem. -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
: In message , Paul writes: KenK wrote: I have a backup system, an ancient Compaq 5000. I just connected DSL to the Ethernet port. Firefox doesn't see its usual web sites it sees with a dial- up connection. Is there any way I can see if the computer is seeing DSL? Maybe the Ethernet connection isn't used in this machne or isn't working? Manual illustration of ethernet connector says 'if equippped'. Hints? TIA As well as all the other suggestions, you can at least check the ethernet port (and cable) are working and active by connecting to your router's web interface - most have one. Consult its instructions, but common ones to try a http://192.168.0.1 (also try ...0.0, ...1.0, and ...1.1) http://10.0.0.2 You should see what looks like a web page, but (probably) with the router manufacturer's name and logo at the top left. This is provided as a way to change settings inside the router. Don't (-:! Also: you imply you're normally using a dial-up connection. So am I right: you normally use the computer you are on now, with a dial-up connection, but you are trying this old computer with (A)DSL? Or, you normally use (A)DSL, but have only used this old computer with dialup before (and that worked)? If the latter, and you're using the same router/DSLMoDem you normally use, then it does seem likely that it is the port or cable that's the problem, which the above effort should show one way or the other, provided you get the right address. (If you tell us what make and model of router/DSL MoDem is on the other end of the cable, someone here'll probably know for sure what the address is.) [] For a non-truck-roll ADSL install, they give you portable filters. You put a filter on each analog phone, to limit the signal fed to the phone, to 4KHz voice bandwidth. The ADSL modem on the other hand, doesn't use a filter. It goes straight to the phone outlet box. [] In the UK, the normal is you get what they call "microfilters", which are little boxes with two sockets and a (short lead with a) plug; 'phones (and fax machines, dial-up MoDems, etc.) go in one socket, ADSL goes in the other. I believe they contain low-pass and high-pass filters. You either put one on each 'phone (or similar) in the house, or all the 'phones - if you have extension wiring - through one, with ADSL through the other - the important thing being _not_ to have any unfiltered 'phones on the same line as the ADSL MoDem. (The ADSL MoDem would _have_ to go via such a box, as our 'phones use a different connector to the one that ADSL leads have [which I assume is a normal US 'phone connector - bit like an ethernet one but narrower]). Running out of time this morning. Printing out your message; will respond tomorrow. Much going on here - home electric and other problems. -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , KenK writes: [] Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet' sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem. Anyone know the address for the web interface for that MoDem? Alternatively, KenK could try the common options - e. g. 192.168.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 - from the computer that does see the world, to see if he can find the MoDem's page, then use that from the other computer. Or try the various cables on the various computers - though if as Paul explained the old computer doesn't have the ability to automatically pick the right pair of conductors on the cable, this may still not work. Or - I'm assuming this is XP, as we're here - turn off the "hide unused icons" for the tray; then there should be one showing two computers, with a red cross, which will show for a few seconds Local Area Connection A network cable is unplugged. When you hover the mouse cursor over it. https://internethelp.centurylink.com...em-c1100z.html On this page, they're using 192.168.0.1 https://internethelp.centurylink.com...tup-basic.html Zyxel C1100z (only 17 pages! But verifies 192.168.0.1 is the address) https://fccid.io/I88C1100Z/Users-Man...al-2599600.pdf Most other pages I can see, offer a C1100Z manual as click bate, and there is no manual there. That's the way it is with ISP modem/router products. Skimpy docs. Sometimes you get lucky and there are manuals. But not in this case. Paul |
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KenK wrote in
: I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL - haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under Internet Connects is included: Internet Gateway - One entry: Internet Connection Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL. On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection is not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have is a blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have to try it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it works. Not enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and remember before I start up the computer. Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet' sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem. Does anyone know of someone who makes an adaptor to add ethernet to a computer that doesn't have it. Like a little box with a USB connector to the computer and an ethernet socket for the DSL line with a driver CD for XP? I tried Google but evidently didn't have the right search phrases I used. TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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KenK wrote:
KenK wrote in : I checked the Control Panel on the computer that has a working DSL - haven't done that for many years. Forgot it was there, Under Internet Connects is included: Internet Gateway - One entry: Internet Connection Shows it connected and speed 72.0 MHZ Must be the DSL. On the computer where DSL is not working this internet connection is not listed. Evidently it's not seeing the DSL. The cable I have is a blue one with blue connectors on both ends. I guess I'll have to try it on the machine where the DSL is working and see if it works. Not enough time today; likely tomorrow if I have time and remember before I start up the computer. Both machines are connected to one of the four yellow 'ethernet' sockets on the CenturyLink C1100Z modem. Does anyone know of someone who makes an adaptor to add ethernet to a computer that doesn't have it. Like a little box with a USB connector to the computer and an ethernet socket for the DSL line with a driver CD for XP? I tried Google but evidently didn't have the right search phrases I used. TIA One of the reasons I like Startech, is they identify the chip used... ******* StarTech USB 3.0 to Gigabit Ethernet $20 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833114074 https://www.startech.com/Networking-...pter~USB31000S ASIX - AX88179 "...USB2 port we still saw 326.2Mbit/s" The driver notes only admit to Win8 and Win10. https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me...ease_Notes.txt The manual. Good lads. WinXP. https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/me...USB31000Sx.pdf System Requirements USB enabled computer system with available USB 3.0 port Windows 8 (32/64bit), 7 (32/64), Vista(32/64), XP(32/64) Windows Server 2008 R2, 2003(32/64) Mac OS 10.6 - 10.8 Linux Kernel 2.6.25 - 3.5.0 Notice they didn't bother to update the manual to add Win10. Now, the question would be, would they be stupid enough to press new driver CDs with only Win8/10 and toss the ones with xp/V/7/8 ? Dunno. In any case, with the ASIX, there's a good chance another company also has those drivers. And you should know how this stuff goes. Paul gets ripped off all the time on this stuff :-) Dumb purchases, followed by dumber purchases. Like the USB3 to SATA cable I bought two days ago. It looks like I have to buy a "rocket ship cable" to get "Ugo" performance. Why aren't there more honest reviews out there ? Best guess, Paul |
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