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In article , Wolf K
wrote:


Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way against a red light at a
traffic light controlled intersection!!! Where in hell did you get that
idea.

the motor vehicle code.

although, anyone stepping in front of a moving vehicle does so only
once. it's a problem that solves itself.

Varies by jurisdiction.

yep, but in general, motor vehicles must yield. bad things happen when
they don't.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

Ontario is big. 1,096,395 km^2. Only Alaska and Quebec are bigger.

I found it an interesting fact that Sudbury Ontario is farther south
than much of Washington State.


True, in fact most Canadians live south of the 49th parallel. However,
we have a continental climate over most of the country, so Washington
State is balmy compared to most of Canada.

not last week, when they got hit with a lot of snow...

Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-12 13:40, notX wrote:
On 2/12/19 8:43 AM, Wolf K wrote:

[snip]

Ontario is big. 1,096,395 km^2. Only Alaska and Quebec are bigger.

I found it an interesting fact that Sudbury Ontario is farther south
than much of Washington State.




True, in fact most Canadians live south of the 49th parallel. However,
we have a continental climate over most of the country, so Washington
State is balmy compared to most of Canada.

But Washington state I'd say has two climates. I think you're referring to
the coastal one, then (when you mention balmy), and not the climate that
applies to center or eastern WA, which is dry (with cities like Yakima or
Spokane).

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

anyone that is in a position where they must 'slam on the brakes' to
avoid hitting someone or something is not paying attention and also
driving too fast for conditions.

Methinks you haven't driven that much. I've driven well in excess
1,000,000 miles, and I can tell you that the sudden appearance of
objects in your drive path can happen whether or not you are paying
attention.

of course they can. what you miss is that if a driver can't avoid such
events, they were not paying attention and/or driving too fast for
conditions, and i'll add to that, and/or driving while intoxicated.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 15:39:13 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

anyone that is in a position where they must 'slam on the brakes' to
avoid hitting someone or something is not paying attention and also
driving too fast for conditions.

Methinks you haven't driven that much. I've driven well in excess
1,000,000 miles, and I can tell you that the sudden appearance of
objects in your drive path can happen whether or not you are paying
attention.

of course they can. what you miss is that if a driver can't avoid such
events, they were not paying attention and/or driving too fast for
conditions, and i'll add to that, and/or driving while intoxicated.

Utter and complete nonsense. Have you ever driven?

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 15:26:37 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

Ontario is big. 1,096,395 km^2. Only Alaska and Quebec are bigger.

I found it an interesting fact that Sudbury Ontario is farther south
than much of Washington State.


True, in fact most Canadians live south of the 49th parallel. However,
we have a continental climate over most of the country, so Washington
State is balmy compared to most of Canada.

not last week, when they got hit with a lot of snow...

Person A: "It was sunny yesterday!"
nospam: "not last night, it wasn't!"

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:04:48 -0800, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:31:11 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:38:27 -0500, nospam
wrote:

[snip]

although, anyone stepping in front of a moving vehicle does so only
once. it's a problem that solves itself.

Not really.

And this, because of the efforts of many motorists. Many
pedestrians are horribly oblivious.

Drivers, too.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:32:10 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 2/12/19 3:37 AM, KWills Shill #3 wrote:

[snip]


I pay $40/month for unlimited data and text. But at a cost of
only 100 minutes a month. And they don't roll over. For me, this has
not been an issue.
Oh, after a set amount of data, it goes from 4G LTE to 3G. But
there is no additional cost for me. I've yet to reach the limit, so
this is also not an issue for me.

I'm on Verizon. They say they're going to eliminate 2G and 3G at the end
of the year (voice calls will use VOLTE). I wonder what they're going to
then.

[snip]

I believe that should say "voice calls will *still* use VOLTE", (VoLTE,
meaning Voice over LTE), just as they do now. Data will hopefully
migrate to 5G with a fallback to 4G. Good riddance to 3G and 2G. 2G was
obsolete somewhere around 2003 or so, but carriers kept it because of
the hundreds of thousands of telemetry customers who use it, especially
in the trucking industry.

On 2/11/2019 11:58 PM, T wrote:
On 2/11/19 10:19 PM, Mike wrote:
On 2/11/2019 5:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote:
LinuxÂ*hasÂ*notÂ*offeredÂ*aÂ*viableÂ*alternativeÂ* forÂ*theÂ*desktop.

Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows.
I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it.

What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5%
of the application base as Windows, if that.

Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph.

Linux is a perfect solution for a closed/limited appliance like your
shop.

The missing 95% turns off people with general purpose systems.
Most people are not looking for a hobby fixing linux issues.
They want to get right on to posting pictures of their cat.
It takes only one missing piece to sour the deal.

Linux users are quick to denigrate people with expectations
different from their own.Â* Linux would have far better market
penetration if they'd catered to general users starting 20 years ago.

It is a lot closer now than you think.Â* Those folks I
moved to Linux can't even tell the difference.Â* They
are back to checking out the Cute Cat (no such thing, but
I digress) videos on You Tube in an instance.

As I said, if YOU build them an APPLIANCE that does everything they
want or need now and in the future, linux is a great choice.

Try this. Pick 100 windows desktop-only users who are not gurus,
ordinary people.
Give them a link to distrowatch. Tell them you'll give them $100
if they ditch windows and are using linux EXCLUSIVELY six months from now.
What do you think the outcome will be?

Of course, you'll have a zillion excuses why they won't. And that will
be the definition of what needs to be done to make desktop linux
palatable to the general public. It's not one big thing.
It's many-many little things.


I use windows 7 as my TV time-shifting machine.
Win10 won't do it. There's not much M$ could do to prevent me
using win7 in the future. It's an appliance that does what it
needs to do.
All my other desktop systems have plugin drives and can run win7
in the event that it's required.
But, for most stuff, we're all gonna be using win10 sooner or later.
And we'll all be paying more and more fees for everything they
can nail down so you can't get it for free.

On 02/12/2019 4:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 15:26:37 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

Ontario is big. 1,096,395 km^2. Only Alaska and Quebec are bigger.

I found it an interesting fact that Sudbury Ontario is farther south
than much of Washington State.


True, in fact most Canadians live south of the 49th parallel. However,
we have a continental climate over most of the country, so Washington
State is balmy compared to most of Canada.

not last week, when they got hit with a lot of snow...

Person A: "It was sunny yesterday!"
nospam: "not last night, it wasn't!"



Bang on, Char.

Rene

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:46:18 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

Another example, A month or so ago I went to the downtown staples for
printer supplies, on coming out I have to cross a busy 6 lane street, As
I am waiting for the red light to turn green a woman texting on her
phone starts walking across the street against the red light and very
nearly got hit by a car who had to slam on his brakes to avoid hitting
her.

pedestrians have the right of way. if said driver had to 'slam on his
brakes' to avoid a collision, then it's the driver who is at fault for
not paying attention.

Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way against a red light at a
traffic light controlled intersection!!! Where in hell did you get that
idea.

the motor vehicle code.

Not true here in the US, AFAIK, though it could be different in your
country.

see links in other post.

I did, thanks. I thought it was interesting that they didn't support
your position.

If you expect to have the right of way as a pedestrian, you'd
better look for a designated crosswalk. There are a few other
exceptions, as well, but generally speaking if you step out wherever you
feel like it, you can be ticketed for jaywalking.

jaywalking might be illegal in some places, but it's the responsibility
of the driver not to hit said pedestrian if in the path of the vehicle.

and in new york city, not jaywalking marks you as a tourist. muggers
like tourists.

although, anyone stepping in front of a moving vehicle does so only
once. it's a problem that solves itself.

Not really.

yes really. they either end up injured and can't walk, or they're dead.

either way, no further occurrences.

Nonsense.

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

anyone that is in a position where they must 'slam on the brakes' to
avoid hitting someone or something is not paying attention and also
driving too fast for conditions.

Methinks you haven't driven that much. I've driven well in excess
1,000,000 miles, and I can tell you that the sudden appearance of
objects in your drive path can happen whether or not you are paying
attention.

of course they can. what you miss is that if a driver can't avoid such
events, they were not paying attention and/or driving too fast for
conditions, and i'll add to that, and/or driving while intoxicated.

Utter and complete nonsense. Have you ever driven?

nothing nonsensical about it.

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way against a red light at a
traffic light controlled intersection!!! Where in hell did you get that
idea.

the motor vehicle code.

Not true here in the US, AFAIK, though it could be different in your
country.

see links in other post.

I did, thanks. I thought it was interesting that they didn't support
your position.

they did.

here's mo

http://richmondsfblog.com/2010/07/20...-or-it-could-c
ost-you-police-planning-stings/
SFAppeal reports that the SFPD will be kicking off targeted
pedestrian stings in and around the area of Golden Gate Park,
specifically the district patrolled by the Park Police.
....
The law states that if a pedestrian is waiting to cross at a
crosswalk, vehicles must yield. Drivers must yield even if the
pedestrian is in an unmarked crosswalk intersection. If the
pedestrian is in an unmarked crosswalk, they must look before
stepping off the curb but if it is a marked crosswalk they are free
to step into the intersection. Vehicles must yield in both situations.


https://www.gainesville.com/article/LK/20100601/News/604151973/GS/
When Kelly Stauff saw the man in the crosswalk, it was too late to
stop. She didn¹t hit the man, who turned out to be a Gainesville
police officer in street clothes, but Stauff was nailed with a $154
ticket for failing to yield to a pedestrian.
....
A study in January showed that only about 20 percent of drivers in
the city yield to pedestrians in crosswalks. Approximately three
crashes a week involve a pedestrian, officers have said. Drivers must
yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk and must yield to a pedestrian
even if there are no pavement markings on the crosswalk.


https://www.statesmanjournal.com/sto...lem-police-beg
in-undercover-pedestrian-safety-campaign/1302233002/
Plainclothes officers will be taking to crosswalks, both marked and
unmarked,*across the city to make sure drivers are yielding to
pedestrians.
....
Officials say failing to yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk and for
passing a stopped vehicle at a crosswalk are class B violations which
carry a fine of up to $265.


https://www.citylab.com/transportati...ngs-drivers-wh
o-dont-yield-crosswalks-does-it-really-work/5221/
There were at least 56 very unhappy people in Fort Lee, New Jersey,
last Friday, after a police sting operation resulted in a flurry of
traffic tickets for drivers who failed to yield for pedestrians in
crosswalks. The blitz, which is part of a more comprehensive effort
to educate both pedestrians and drivers about their responsibility to
follow the law, drew angry comments from motorists who were stopped
and issued $230 tickets, according to NorthJersey.com


https://www.mcall.com/g00/news/local...em-crosswalk-s
tings-20160621-story.html
As officers watched on motorcycles hidden by a leafy tree, volunteers
crossed New Street at Fairview Street again and again as vehicles
whistled past them in daylight. One car stopped inches short of
clipping a foot. Another screeched to a stop as the motorist, talking
on a phone, seemed to suddenly notice the pedestrian.
The motorcycle cops turned on their lights, hit their sirens and
raced off to stop the drivers who didn't yield.


https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...cited-during-c
rosswalk-sting-in-south-salt-lake.html
During the sting, an undercover officer entered the crosswalk to see
if drivers would stop. As the officer walked back and forth in the
crosswalk, other officers in patrol cars and motorcycles stood by.
They didn't have to wait too long to find someone else not yielding
to the pedestrian, which is a violation of state law.


https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...cs/crosswalk_e
nforcementinitiatives.html
The crosswalk awareness initiatives involve an off-duty, undercover
police officer posing as a pedestrian crossing at a crosswalk.* If
oncoming drivers don¹t stop for the pedestrian‹as required by law‹the
vehicle will be pulled over by a police spotter further down the
street.
Motorists can face fines ranging from $50 to $500 for failure to stop
for a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Last year the Police Department
issued more than 1,000 citations for failure to stop for pedestrians
in marked and unmarked crosswalks.*



although, anyone stepping in front of a moving vehicle does so only
once. it's a problem that solves itself.

Not really.

yes really. they either end up injured and can't walk, or they're dead.

either way, no further occurrences.

Nonsense.

not at all. if someone steps in front of a moving vehicle and is hit,
they won't be doing that anymore, assuming they recover enough to be
able to walk again, that is. chances are fairly high they won't get to
that point.

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:


True, in fact most Canadians live south of the 49th parallel. However,
we have a continental climate over most of the country, so Washington
State is balmy compared to most of Canada.

not last week, when they got hit with a lot of snow...

Person A: "It was sunny yesterday!"
nospam: "not last night, it wasn't!"

you might think you're being funny, but you're not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weath...-snow-beat-exp
ectations-seattle-this-month-is-now-its-snowiest-years/?noredirect=on
The half-foot of snow pushed February¹s total to 20.2 inches,
Seattle¹s snowiest month in 50 years. It¹s the seventh-snowiest month
dating to 1895 and the fourth-snowiest since records have been kept
at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.
....
Beyond the risk of more snow, it also appears to want to stay colder
than normal in the region for the foreseeable future. Forecasts and
weather models suggest below-normal temperatures should continue
for the next one to two weeks.

On 02/12/2019 4:55 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/12/2019 4:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 15:26:37 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

Ontario is big. 1,096,395 km^2. Only Alaska and Quebec are bigger.

I found it an interesting fact that Sudbury Ontario is farther south
than much of Washington State.


True, in fact most Canadians live south of the 49th parallel. However,
we have a continental climate over most of the country, so Washington
State is balmy compared to most of Canada.

not last week, when they got hit with a lot of snow...

Person A: "It was sunny yesterday!"
nospam: "not last night, it wasn't!"



Bang on, Char.

Rene


Hi again Char, Apparently the dummy doesn't know about traffic lights
and such, Shucks even little kindergarten kids know about traffic
signals and light signals. I guess he must live in a forest or maybe
under a bridge.

Rene