What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Jasen Betts wrote:
What's the difference between a free proxy and a free nntp news server?

The problem is that arlen expects you to 'think' like he does, which is
not .... (? something difficult to define), let's say 'normal' or
typical for absence of a better word.

But, something 'similar' to the way he thinks is that (maybe) he thinks
that it is important for him to maintain his privacy in relationship to
a free nntp text admin mixmin, his choice of an nntp which does not
require authentication.

So, apparently his current strategy for that purpose is to use free VPN,
except that free VPN has its own limitations of various sorts - free
trial VPN, and other varieties of free. If you search for free VPN
providers you will run into limitations.

Many web proxies are free; so his further thinking (we are/ I am/
guessing, as he refuses to make his target goals or aims public info
here) that similarly to free web proxies, what would be useful to him
personally in terms of concealing his IP from the nntp admin at mixmin
(or perhaps alternatively to obscure even the encrypted version of his
IP in the mixmin Injection-info posting-host content from the
usenet/internet at large) would be a similar proxy to be used for him to
access the mixmin nntp server.

I have only used a couple of 'proxy' type devices or utilities in
conjunction with nntp or smtp; those bear no resemblance to his
purposes. I've used nproxy as a filter for nntp, I have used yProxy as
a filter for nntp to decode yEncoding for agents which couldn't do that,
and I have used SpamPal, which is like SpamAssassin which acts as a
milter-type 'proxy' for smtp mail filtering.

But, his idea is for a proxy to work 'in the other direction' as a
concealment proxy like a webproxy, as well as I can tell absent his full
disclosure of his purpose. He likes to structure 'conversations' in his
own style, and if one should deviate from what he agrees with you are
all kinda bad.

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Mike Easter

On 19/02/2019 20:56, Jasen Betts wrote:
And now I have a question for you. If I had it how would making such
information public be beneficial?

the benefit is to the paedophile like Arlen whatever (I can't remember
his name because he keeps changing them) and he strongly believes that
you are a young boy who would be attracted by his desire to be anonymous
on these newsgroups. He seems to have won this over you. the next step
is to ask you to sit on his laps so that he can show you how to use a
mouse!!.

I suggest kill-file him so that we don't have to read his posts but if
you fail to do this then you will be the subject of "DELETE" button on
most people's computers. I hardly receive any posts in this newsgroup
until an idiot like you replies to a known troll and we have to suffer
for your stupidity. I am putting you on my kill-file until you get some
intelligence to make good judgements on these newsgroups.




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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 13:43:21 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

Most importantly, what your message conveys is a 'correct'/accurate
rebuttal to arlen's repetitive diatribe. (with limitations, which his
VPN solution ALSO has).

Hi Mike,

Again, I was NOT going to post more to this thread because the trolls have
long ago taken it over, but, as you know, I am always improving tribal
knowledge, which is how you saw that original tutorial that started this
mess.

The _first_ question to ask is HOW would this SOCKS proxy be used to be
able to change the IP address related NNTP header line to any of thousands
of possibilities?

I don't bull****, Mike.
o If a _better_ general-purpose solution existed, I'd use it Mike.

I am _always_ seeking better general-purpose solutions
o If this "SOCKS" idea works, then let's work on that together, Mike.

As adults, Mike.
o That means we have to deal with actual FACTS & LOGIC, Mike.

For example, most (almost all, in fact) of my general-purpose solutions
work on _all_ platforms, Mike, which the OpenVPN + free NNTP server
solution certainly does.

That means the general-purpose PROXY solution must work on:
o Linux (mostly Ubuntu 18.10, for obvious reasons)
o Windows (mostly Windows 10, for obvious reasons)
o Mac (I won't be testing that though)
o iOS (mostly iOS 12.x for obvious reasons)
o Android (mostly Android 6,7,8 for obvious reasons)

Where do we start in finding a tutorial for this PROXY solution
o I'd start with Windows 10, as the first step
o Then I'd go to Linux
o Than Android

I'd tackle the Apple solutions later, since they're always harder.

Since I'm an adult, and since I do NOT bull****, Mike, I readily and openly
admit up front that I haven't _touched_ SOCKS since, oh, I don't know (I
have to always worry about Cybe(r) Wizard counting the days), the last time
I had to get Pan to work on CentOS or Ubuntu, or whatever, with Mixmin.

If there is a _workable_ SOCKs solution, let's _try_ it Mike.

The _first_ question to ask is HOW would this SOCKS proxy be used to change
the IP address related NNTP header line to any of thousands of
possibilities?

Bear in mind the VPN solution, as a "glorified proxy", works fine,
where, as noted in the very tutorial which started this mess, consists of
only two things:
1. A free openvpn client, and,
2. A free openvpn protocol configuration file (which is a text file).

That's it.
o Yes, it _really_ is _that_ freaking simple.

It works on ALL (common consumer) platforms!

NOTE: The reason for "free" is clearly to be a "general purpose" solution,
and, less clearly, to avoid privacy complexities when cost is involved.

As you are aware, Mike, the current free VPN solution has over six thousand
different IP addresses to easily choose among, and a goodly number of
purposefully free NNTP services (each of which use _different_ methods on
the IP headers, so our solution has to take _all_ of them into account).

NOTE TO MIKE: You don't take the "general purpose" into account when you
speak of simply _one_ or a few of the NNTP services out there - we are
creating a general purpose solution that works for _all_ of them, Mike.

Since Windows is the starting point almost always, let me seek a
Windows-based SOCKS tutorial that we can refer everyone to as a general
purpose solution that works on all the platforms, eventually, which easily
allows the user to change the IP address related header to any of thousands
of possibilities.

arlen holder wrote:

I am _always_ seeking better general-purpose solutions

No, you are not.

You have a very limited scope of an issue which is far from
'general-purpose' and which you have never adequately or properly defined.

It is limited, not because your target is a wide audience, but because
YOU are your own central focus, and you like to use all of the devices,
android, linux, win, ios, and mac; except that you mostly use win.

It is also limited because you have a very narrow minded approach to the
applicability of a 'solution' to your 'crazy' (limited application) idea
that you need to conceal your IP from your nntp server admin. Or
perhaps (alternatively) your (similarly) crazy idea that you need to
conceal your ENCRYPTED IP from usenet header readers. Either way, it is
NOT a 'general-purpose' idea at all. It is an 'arlen-only' micro-narrow
idea.

proxychains (per se) does not apply to all of your devices, but linux,
bsd, & mac. You would have to find similar proxy-strategy alternatives
for your other personal devices such as Win and android and ios.


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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 14:24:19 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

It is also limited because you have a very narrow minded approach to the
applicability of a 'solution' to your 'crazy' (limited application) idea
that you need to conceal your IP from your nntp server admin.

Jesus Christ Mike,
o Stop it!

I _though_ you could _think_ like an _adult_ thinks, Mike.
o But EVERY post from you proves you own the brain of a small child, Mike.

Jesus Christ.
o HINT: I am NOT primarily seeking privacy from the NNTP posting host.

I've said this so many times that it's clear you don't WANT to comprehend.
o You just want to spew your moronic VPN-trolling bull****, Mike.

Seriously.
o Grow up.

What on earth is WRONG with your brain Mike?
o Just look at your idiotic sentence above, Mike.

Look at it, for Christs' sake, Mike!
o Only an utter moron would say what you just said.

Especially after I EXPLAINED the use model to you Mike.
o Stop proving you own the brain of the lemon-juice bank robber, Mike.

Just stop it.
o I've never dealt with people who prove to be as stupid as you seem to be.

Stop saying utter and total bull**** Mike.
o Just stop.

You REPEAT that moronic diatribe over & over & over again, Mike.
o Stop it.

Just stop.
o Stop proving your brain is that of the Dunning Kruger lemon juice guy.

NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EXCEPT YOU SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID MIKE.
o Jesus Christ ... Mike.

You can't comprehend even the _simplest_ of the simplest of things, Mike.

I'm out of here because YOU are a ****ing moron Mike.
o There is NO other way to explain someone who repeats what you write.

ONLY A MORON THINKS LIKE YOU DO MIKE.
o Really... You're too stupid for me to even _comprehend_ your stupidity.

HINT: I am NOT seeking privacy from the ****ing NNTP posting host.

For Christ's sake Mike.
o Grow a ****ing synapse.
Just stop this idiotic nonsense.
o You have in your head the craziest ideas that make no sense to anyone.

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE SAYING I"M HIDING FROM THE NNTP SERVER.

For Christ's sake, Mike.
o Form a synapse.

I am DONE with this thread.
o It's filled to the brim with utter morons who understand NOTHING.

And yet, like the dunning kruger bank robber, they make outlandish
statements.

Nobody is as stupid as you appear to be Mike.
o Nobody.

You can't comprehend even the _simplest_ of concepts, Mike.
You want to know why?

I think I know why.
o You're a keyword troll, Mike.

That's all you can do is spew the same utter bull****, every time, Mike.
o It doesn't even matter the topic Mike - it's the same utter infantile bull****.

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 23:04:42 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder wrote:

I'm out of here because YOU are a ****ing moron Mike.

Would that it were true.

There's no more truth to that than to your posting the claim that you
were not going to post to the thread again.

Twice.

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Irony is the hygiene of the mind.
Elizabeth Bibesco

arlen holder wrote:
I am NOT primarily seeking privacy from the NNTP posting host.

So, then it must be the alternative I presented that you snipped;

ME:
Or perhaps (alternatively) your (similarly) crazy idea that you need to conceal your ENCRYPTED IP from usenet header readers. Either way, it is NOT a 'general-purpose' idea at all. It is an 'arlen-only' micro-narrow idea.

You should spend a few more words defining your aim and a LOT less
castigating.

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Mike Easter

In alt.os.linux arlen holder wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 14:24:19 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

It is also limited because you have a very narrow minded approach to the
applicability of a 'solution' to your 'crazy' (limited application) idea
that you need to conceal your IP from your nntp server admin.

Jesus Christ Mike,
o Stop it!

I _though_ you could _think_ like an _adult_ thinks, Mike.
o But EVERY post from you proves you own the brain of a small child, Mike.

Jesus Christ.
o HINT: I am NOT primarily seeking privacy from the NNTP posting host.

I've said this so many times that it's clear you don't WANT to comprehend.
o You just want to spew your moronic VPN-trolling bull****, Mike.

Seriously.
o Grow up.

What on earth is WRONG with your brain Mike?
o Just look at your idiotic sentence above, Mike.

Look at it, for Christs' sake, Mike!
o Only an utter moron would say what you just said.

Especially after I EXPLAINED the use model to you Mike.
o Stop proving you own the brain of the lemon-juice bank robber, Mike.

Just stop it.
o I've never dealt with people who prove to be as stupid as you seem to be.

Stop saying utter and total bull**** Mike.
o Just stop.

You REPEAT that moronic diatribe over & over & over again, Mike.
o Stop it.

Just stop.
o Stop proving your brain is that of the Dunning Kruger lemon juice guy.

NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EXCEPT YOU SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID MIKE.
o Jesus Christ ... Mike.

You can't comprehend even the _simplest_ of the simplest of things, Mike.

I'm out of here because YOU are a ****ing moron Mike.
o There is NO other way to explain someone who repeats what you write.

ONLY A MORON THINKS LIKE YOU DO MIKE.
o Really... You're too stupid for me to even _comprehend_ your stupidity.

HINT: I am NOT seeking privacy from the ****ing NNTP posting host.


Well, aioe has a limit of 40 posts per IP per day, so there are
circumstances, such as if you don't have a life, where it would help to be
able to connect with a new IP and exceed that limit. Also, since the same
IP will encrypt the same each time, if you want to have any sock puppets,
you'll appreciate the ability to have them come in on different IPs.

On 2019-02-19, arlen holder wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 12:16:14 -0500, Barry Margolin wrote:

I doubt there are any, simply because there's not much need for it. Just
use a generic VPN service or TOR. It might be overkill, because of the
encryption that he doesn't need, but it will serve the purpose.

Thank you Barry Margolin for writing with ADULT fact, logic, & reason.

Frank is the one confused here ... not me.

If the proxy that Mike's article recommends actually existed, I'd use it.
o But if it exists, nobody knows where it is

How is this "proxy" you're chasing different from mixmin?

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When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

On 2019-02-19, arlen holder wrote:
They think it's me confused, but all I did was ask this simple question:
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
A: Name just one.

They think it's me confused, but all I did was ask this simple question:
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?

yes, if you keep repeating the same question you will keep getting the
same answer.

for example leafnode is free, and inn is free. leafonode is a proxy
and inn is a server.

A: Name just one.

What do you mean by "A"?

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When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

On 19/02/2019 16.49, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:50:51 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 02/18/2019 8:33 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 2/18/19 8:12 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 19:18:59 -0500, Ken Hart wrote:

Google is your friend.

I copied and pasted your question into Google; it came back with "About
481,000 results (0.78 seconds)"

The seventh result down the page was "25 Best Free Web Proxies for Safer
and Anonymous Surfing | SpyAdvice
https://spyadvice.com/free-web-proxies/"
While I didn't check out the cite/site, it does mention "It also
supports Usenet... posting..."

Idiot.
Troll.

That's pretty rude!

You asked a question. I presented your question, in your exact words
(remember 'copied and pasted') to Google- which is why it exists. Google
presented a myriad of answers. Generally, the first page or so of
answers are the best: in this case, the seventh one exactly answered the
question you asked.

And you call me an "Idiot. Troll." I tried to help you, and that's the
thanks I get?
Rude is his middle name , he'll stab you in the back as soon as you
disagree with his stupidity. Ignore him or make fun of the idiot.


Please, *don't* make fun of him. He's a troll, and trolls should be
ignored, not responded to.

He should be killfiled. He's killfiled here because I don't want to
read his garbage. But when someone responds to a troll, I have to
read his messages quoted in the responses (unless I also killfile the
responder, which I usually don't want to, but sometimes do if someone
very frequently responds to trolls).

Why don't you simply kill the thread?

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 19/02/2019 18.21, Barry Margolin wrote:
In article ,
Ken Hart wrote:

On 2/17/19 6:15 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.

The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?


Google is your friend.

I copied and pasted your question into Google; it came back with "About
481,000 results (0.78 seconds)"

The seventh result down the page was "25 Best Free Web Proxies for Safer
and Anonymous Surfing | SpyAdvice
https://spyadvice.com/free-web-proxies/"
While I didn't check out the cite/site, it does mention "It also
supports Usenet... posting..."

Since you can post to Usenet through the Google Groups website, any web
proxy does that. That doesn't make it an NNTP proxy.

I assume that Google Groups demands a proper google identity.

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Mike Easter wrote:
arlen holder wrote:

I am _always_ seeking better general-purpose solutions

No, you are not.

You have a very limited scope of an issue which is far from
'general-purpose' and which you have never adequately or properly defined.

To that end, even if it's "defined", it's usually done so using the
wrong words ("Sliding files" comes to mind). And, when clarity is
sought, the requesters for said clarity are belittled for "not
understanding the brilliance" or some such.

But at least we can have our enlightening side-discussions .

[...]
It is also limited because you have a very narrow minded approach to the
applicability of a 'solution' to your 'crazy' (limited application) idea
that you need to conceal your IP from your nntp server admin. Or
perhaps (alternatively) your (similarly) crazy idea that you need to
conceal your ENCRYPTED IP from usenet header readers. Either way, it is
NOT a 'general-purpose' idea at all. It is an 'arlen-only' micro-narrow
idea.

To that end, I haven't been able to find any resources that confirm
whether or not the nntp posting-host ID provided by Mixmin is derived
from the IP.

As it stands (from my POV), the current burden-of-proof lies with
someone saying it is derived from the poster's IP.


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In article ,
"Carlos E.R." wrote:

On 19/02/2019 18.21, Barry Margolin wrote:
In article ,
Ken Hart wrote:

On 2/17/19 6:15 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
consider it worth discussing.

The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?


Google is your friend.

I copied and pasted your question into Google; it came back with "About
481,000 results (0.78 seconds)"

The seventh result down the page was "25 Best Free Web Proxies for Safer
and Anonymous Surfing | SpyAdvice
https://spyadvice.com/free-web-proxies/"
While I didn't check out the cite/site, it does mention "It also
supports Usenet... posting..."

Since you can post to Usenet through the Google Groups website, any web
proxy does that. That doesn't make it an NNTP proxy.

I assume that Google Groups demands a proper google identity.

For posting, I assume you're correct.

Most NNTP servers require a login, too. There are a few exceptions, like
AIOE.

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Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

In article ,
Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2019-02-19, arlen holder wrote:
They think it's me confused, but all I did was ask this simple question:
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
A: Name just one.

They think it's me confused, but all I did was ask this simple question:
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?

yes, if you keep repeating the same question you will keep getting the
same answer.

for example leafnode is free, and inn is free. leafonode is a proxy
and inn is a server.

If you're going to bother responding to him, stop being deliberately
obtuse.

He's not looking for proxy software, he's looking for a proxy service.
He explained his goal, so the ambiguity in the language has been
resolved and you just look like an a-hole giving the same answer over
and over.

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Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA