Win 10 evaluators

"philo " wrote in message
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On 10/22/2014 04:11 AM, Bill wrote:
In message , Maurice Helwig
writes

I have not long installed this on a separate machine.
I would like to pass on some comments to Microsoft but I do not want a
Microsoft Account, now or in the future,

Is there anyway of providing feedback about this new OS without being
permanently tethered to Microsoft

I have used a Microsoft account, but see no reason why one shouldn't
create a new personality via a Google or Hotmail account specifically
for this.

Also, it does seem that some Microsoft employees are monitoring the
forum - one has just responded to a posting of mine.

I happen to be trying a new Windows 8.1 laptop at the same time as
looking at W10, and I have to say that, for me, 10 makes 8.1 seem
extremely clunky.


I'm evaluating Win 10 in a virtual machine so the performance may not be
quite as good as it would be on real H/W but so far I like it a lot more
than Win8(.1) MS is not forcing Metro on the user..but it's easy to get
to the tiles through a traditional interface.

I agree. I'm running WinTP 64-bit on my Win7 32-bit desktop using VMWare
Player (freebie edition). I have 1.5GB of memory and 120GB of hard drive
space set up for it, and I am quite impressed on how well it runs like that,
considering also that my machine is easily 6 or 7 years old.

If I have one complaint, it's the same one I had with Win8 early on, and
that's the inability to set up a POP3 account without using another email
program. Since I am using Office Outlook 2003 on my Win7 and Win8 machines,
I installed it on WinTP and it works just fine there, too. Problem solved
:-)

I'll have to wait and see what the final upgrade prices are going to be from
Win8.1 and Win7 before I commit to it. If I upgrade my Win7 machine, I know
I'll have to do a clean install anyhow since I plan on going to 64-bit
instead of staying with 32-bit. I already have 64-bit on my Win8.1 laptop,
so that's no biggie. Doing the clean install is one of the reasons I didn't
upgrade from Win7 x86 to Win8 x64 before. I have a number of programs (old,
Old, OLD) that I'm not sure I want to part with, and may not have the
installation media and/or the license key. Cross that bridge when I get to
it :-)
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SC Tom

"philo " wrote in message
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On 10/22/2014 09:58 AM, Paul wrote:


snip

Having the folder disappear after 30 days, has its pros
and cons. Some will hate the idea of content being
deleted on their computer automatically (that would be me).
And some would appreciate not having to use Disk Cleanup
on it.

Paul


Good old MS


I have been working on the deletion of the Windows.old folder for about
the past 15 minutes.

With XP and earlier, if you wanted to delete a folder, it would go
smoothly.

Starting with Vista, Windows "decided" it needed to calculate free space
and it could take a half hour to delete a large folder. SP1 made an
improvement but the bad behavior stuck around for later versions...
and now years later with Win10 still have not been fixed.


I have not done extensive testing with Windows 8

but Windows 10 seems to be worse than Win7 when it comes to deleting.


The operation finally finished but did not delete everything so I am
trying for a 2nd time...estimate 25 minutes.

It took 15 minutes for the first round.


sheesh

I ran Disk Cleanup on mine, and it took about 5-10 minutes total to select
"Clean up System Files", then select the Upgrade (Update? It's not there now
that I've run it once) categories, then click OK. It cleared 12.5GB of space
by removing the Windows.Old folder, and some other minor stuff.
--
SC Tom

On 10/22/2014 10:58 AM, SC Tom wrote:
X

I have not done extensive testing with Windows 8

but Windows 10 seems to be worse than Win7 when it comes to deleting.


The operation finally finished but did not delete everything so I am
trying for a 2nd time...estimate 25 minutes.

It took 15 minutes for the first round.


sheesh

I ran Disk Cleanup on mine, and it took about 5-10 minutes total to
select "Clean up System Files", then select the Upgrade (Update? It's
not there now that I've run it once) categories, then click OK. It
cleared 12.5GB of space by removing the Windows.Old folder, and some
other minor stuff.




Thanks for the tip I'm going to do that, manually deleting does not seem
to work

SC Tom wrote:


"philo " wrote in message
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On 10/22/2014 09:58 AM, Paul wrote:


snip

Having the folder disappear after 30 days, has its pros
and cons. Some will hate the idea of content being
deleted on their computer automatically (that would be me).
And some would appreciate not having to use Disk Cleanup
on it.

Paul


Good old MS


I have been working on the deletion of the Windows.old folder for
about the past 15 minutes.

With XP and earlier, if you wanted to delete a folder, it would go
smoothly.

Starting with Vista, Windows "decided" it needed to calculate free
space and it could take a half hour to delete a large folder. SP1 made
an improvement but the bad behavior stuck around for later versions...
and now years later with Win10 still have not been fixed.


I have not done extensive testing with Windows 8

but Windows 10 seems to be worse than Win7 when it comes to deleting.


The operation finally finished but did not delete everything so I am
trying for a 2nd time...estimate 25 minutes.

It took 15 minutes for the first round.


sheesh

I ran Disk Cleanup on mine, and it took about 5-10 minutes total to
select "Clean up System Files", then select the Upgrade (Update? It's
not there now that I've run it once) categories, then click OK. It
cleared 12.5GB of space by removing the Windows.Old folder, and some
other minor stuff.

People don't run Disk Cleanup enough to care,
but I've had it run for a hour, while cleaning
up stuff.

What I did in that case, is open Task Manager, to see
what was taking so long. The process "Tiworker", or
Trusted Installer Worker, was opening every package
ever installed on Windows 8. And the activity was
preventing Disk Cleanup from making any progress.

Rather than just outright kill that process, I figured
Tiworker would be part of Windows Update. As soon
as I opened Windows Update and pretended to be checking
for updates, the Tiworker thing stopped. And about
two minutes later, Disk Cleanup was all done.

Depending on your AV product, sometimes an AV
can be conducting operations on the same stuff
that you're trying to delete. Which is another
way the operation can get slowed down.

Paul

On 10/22/2014 11:22 AM, philo wrote:



Thanks for the tip I'm going to do that, manually deleting does not seem
to work



Tried disk cleanup

first two times it did not "see" the previous installation
but on the 3rd attempt it worked...and just took a very reasonable 3
minutes or so.

On 10/22/2014 11:29 AM, Paul wrote:
X
snip


I ran Disk Cleanup on mine, and it took about 5-10 minutes total to
select "Clean up System Files", then select the Upgrade (Update? It's
not there now that I've run it once) categories, then click OK. It
cleared 12.5GB of space by removing the Windows.Old folder, and some
other minor stuff.

People don't run Disk Cleanup enough to care,
but I've had it run for a hour, while cleaning
up stuff.

What I did in that case, is open Task Manager, to see
what was taking so long. The process "Tiworker", or
Trusted Installer Worker, was opening every package
ever installed on Windows 8. And the activity was
preventing Disk Cleanup from making any progress.

Rather than just outright kill that process, I figured
Tiworker would be part of Windows Update. As soon
as I opened Windows Update and pretended to be checking
for updates, the Tiworker thing stopped. And about
two minutes later, Disk Cleanup was all done.

Depending on your AV product, sometimes an AV
can be conducting operations on the same stuff
that you're trying to delete. Which is another
way the operation can get slowed down.

Paul



It worked well on Win 10

philo wrote:
On 10/22/2014 11:29 AM, Paul wrote:
X
snip


I ran Disk Cleanup on mine, and it took about 5-10 minutes total to
select "Clean up System Files", then select the Upgrade (Update? It's
not there now that I've run it once) categories, then click OK. It
cleared 12.5GB of space by removing the Windows.Old folder, and some
other minor stuff.

People don't run Disk Cleanup enough to care,
but I've had it run for a hour, while cleaning
up stuff.

What I did in that case, is open Task Manager, to see
what was taking so long. The process "Tiworker", or
Trusted Installer Worker, was opening every package
ever installed on Windows 8. And the activity was
preventing Disk Cleanup from making any progress.

Rather than just outright kill that process, I figured
Tiworker would be part of Windows Update. As soon
as I opened Windows Update and pretended to be checking
for updates, the Tiworker thing stopped. And about
two minutes later, Disk Cleanup was all done.

Depending on your AV product, sometimes an AV
can be conducting operations on the same stuff
that you're trying to delete. Which is another
way the operation can get slowed down.

Paul



It worked well on Win 10

A scary thought. Maybe it's "their best OS ever" :-)

Paul

On 10/22/2014 06:47 PM, Paul wrote:

Depending on your AV product, sometimes an AV
can be conducting operations on the same stuff
that you're trying to delete. Which is another
way the operation can get slowed down.

Paul



It worked well on Win 10

A scary thought. Maybe it's "their best OS ever" :-)

Paul



I am not a huge Microsoft fan but it does look like it may be OK

the most recent version of Windows I have on real H/W is Win7


Also:


Good news. I worked on a few Vista machines this year and did not even
know SP2 came out. (2009 I think) Much to my surprise Vista now works
pretty well , nice to know they fixed it.