XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
There is nothing that can compare to the pull you get on the back
of your neck on a banzai start at a light, or the feeling of
exhillaration along with the acceleration, as you jump on an
Interstate at 45-50, pound the loud pedal, hold on for a few
seconds and when you look down, the speedo says you at 100+. And,
safely, albeit not if the fuzz sees you. People who drive at high
speed in the halcyon days of the muscle car were doing it with
poor brakes and polyglas tires.

I usually have to hit my breaks by the time I get on the freeway from the
ramp


Justin, I have what I think is an interesting defintion of the
oft mis-used term "exiting" as applies to vehicles. Many/most
perceive this to mean "high performance", while I think it means
"a vehicle which EXCEEDS my expectations". I like this better
because ecoboxes can be exiting, as can minivans, pickups, sports
cars, or yes, giant HEMIs able to leap in a single bound over
lesser cars and even some greater cars. And, as I stated a few
times last night, today's hi-po cars, unlike the 196x/197x muscle
cars, is clean, safe, quiet and refined, ultra-high featured,
comfortable, and pretty damn stingy on gas.

As to Priii, plural of Priuses, I just love to leave a 15-20
batch of 2-tire rubber next to them folk who paid a premium for a
vehicle that will NEVER break even on total overall cost at
today's gas prices, if you remember to count periodic battery
replacement along with whatever your real-world mpg is.

Don't forget the environment! Which reminds me, we need a new rule. For
every new prius on the road a muscle car should be able to remove a smog
device!

Wow, awesome, thanks again for another great read!



"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

To put this into perspective, the "chip" I constantly
re-program for performance enhancements, where does it fit
into percentage of all this code?

It looms pretty large. Unless you blindly trust what the maker of
the engine controller chip says - I assume that's the one you
mean - one gets the most bang for the buck by paying the freight
to test a few on a chassis dyno. But, Mopar sells several levels
of these things that can significantly increase hp without
killing the warranty, and a few that do. During the Neon SRT-4
days, Chrysler sold at least 3 levels of mods for the turbo 4-
banger that could get you into the 400 hp range (!) and could
literally stay with a then-current Viper through 120 mph and
nearly take it in the standing 1320. Now that is performance!

That just seems like an awful lot of code to be processed.
Especially when you need mechanical actions within
milliseconds. Is it possible this "amount" of code is what's
required to make these chips? That would be a huge
difference.

Yes. You may have noticed that the Mercedes-designed 5-speed
auto, though, has some driveability issues in its modified by
Chrysler state - we beefed it to handle the SRRT8 motor. If you
stomp on it, suddently realize you're climbing up somebody's
butt, let up, then go back to part throttle, the transmission
controller gets ALL confused. It is measuring pedal depression,
vehicle speed, and engine condition, all in a two-way feedback
mechanism, and it hunts and fetches until it finds the right
gear. No longevity problem, but I find it annoying.

The real reason why so much hp can be gleaned from very
inexpensive reprogrammed chips is that the car makers generally
design them a whole bunch UNDER where the engine and trans will
live, partially to glean satisfactory CAFE which is important all
the way around and partially so folks that can't drive a high
performance car don't kill themselves. So, knowledgeable drivers
can take advantage of this over-design and take out some or all
of the excess mechanical strenght in the engine and add 25, 50,
100 or more real net hp. Ain't life great?!

Past what I've already said, some of which is pretty factual but
out-of-date while the rest is extrapolation, yes there are lots
of lines of code.But, much of the chip reprograms are lesser
problems of lines of code than they are of resetting known - and
tested for - conditions such as old-fashion fuel-air mixture,
amount of fuel metered, spark advance, and other things, to very
quickly alter performance, but STILL maintain full EPA or CARB
emissions compliance, the law not being suspended for them who
tweak their mills.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Also, do you think you might be able to cut your posts down a bit?

They are getting VERY long and discursive.

I enjoy his posts. Keep 'em up!

"TOM7601" wrote in message
...

The descriptions I read here sounds exactly like a drug addict explaining
how he got hooked but found he needed a hotter "fix" when his original
drug of choice didn't do it for him any more.

Very entertaining... :))

Hum...having both street and prescription ex-drug addicts in the family, I
don't agree. Nor would I find that entertaining

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:06:38 -0800, "Justin" wrote:

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
. ..
There is nothing that can compare to the pull you get on the back
of your neck on a banzai start at a light, or the feeling of
exhillaration along with the acceleration, as you jump on an
Interstate at 45-50, pound the loud pedal, hold on for a few
seconds and when you look down, the speedo says you at 100+. And,
safely, albeit not if the fuzz sees you. People who drive at high
speed in the halcyon days of the muscle car were doing it with
poor brakes and polyglas tires.

I usually have to hit my breaks by the time I get on the freeway from the
ramp

Since when do they let hot headed kids on bicycles with training
wheels on the freeway? Knock that off Justin, that's dangerous.

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Vide infra pro interscriptibus.

Huh?

DSH
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"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Do you think the data/code segregation is increasing rather
than reducing the speed of operations?

How large is your HDD and which model?

The HD is a Maxtor, don't know the model. The 3 partitions
are C:\ 48 gig, D:\ 88 gig, and E:\ 97 gig, so that adds up
to a round number like 230 gig. I originally had all 3
partitions the same and adjusted them with Partition Magic,
which was my downfall when trying to shrink C:\. And, I've
got a Maxtor 300 gig external plugged into the USB port with
two equal NTFS partitions.

Thanks. How do you use the two partitions on the external
HDD?

I understand segration [sic] in this context but don't get
your drift. Please explain. Pretty much, my C:\ partition is
extremely stable. I haven't added or upgraded anything in a
year, except that I need to install Turbo Tax. Not much
happening on D:\. Most of the action is the graphics data on
E:\ and that has slowed down a lot due to an enforced
cessation of my hobby of collecting car pictures, although
it is slowly filling up with downloads.

Segregation of Apps, Text and Graphics -- I simply used the
same word you did -- that doesn't make either of us racists.
g

You have text files on D:\? I would think the HDD has to do a
lot of work in order to pull stuff together -- text plus
graphics plus apps.

DSH






--
HP, aka Jerry

Beats me, but he uses it a lot:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-08/0997222668

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-07/0964223210

http://groups.google.fr/group/alt.en...%2F1999-11%3F&

http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/v...e37514b073e 0

In fact, a Google search brings up links ONLY relating to him.



"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Vide infra pro interscriptibus.

Huh?

DSH
--------------------------------------------

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Do you think the data/code segregation is increasing rather
than reducing the speed of operations?

How large is your HDD and which model?

The HD is a Maxtor, don't know the model. The 3 partitions
are C:\ 48 gig, D:\ 88 gig, and E:\ 97 gig, so that adds up
to a round number like 230 gig. I originally had all 3
partitions the same and adjusted them with Partition Magic,
which was my downfall when trying to shrink C:\. And, I've
got a Maxtor 300 gig external plugged into the USB port with
two equal NTFS partitions.

Thanks. How do you use the two partitions on the external
HDD?

I understand segration [sic] in this context but don't get
your drift. Please explain. Pretty much, my C:\ partition is
extremely stable. I haven't added or upgraded anything in a
year, except that I need to install Turbo Tax. Not much
happening on D:\. Most of the action is the graphics data on
E:\ and that has slowed down a lot due to an enforced
cessation of my hobby of collecting car pictures, although
it is slowly filling up with downloads.

Segregation of Apps, Text and Graphics -- I simply used the
same word you did -- that doesn't make either of us racists.
g

You have text files on D:\? I would think the HDD has to do a
lot of work in order to pull stuff together -- text plus
graphics plus apps.

DSH






--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Jerry, do PLEASE stop groveling.

Groveling?

Also, do you think you might be able to cut your posts down a
bit?

They are getting VERY long and discursive.

It can sometimes take a lot to say what needs to be said and it
easier for people to ignore what they think is irrelvant than to
wonder what should have been added.

Just a thought.

And, you need to stop attacking people both directly and
obliquely, and fomenting discord around here by deflecting this
NG from a place of XP discussion and support to one of
speculation of future MS products, your hobby of continuous
investigation, and a very strong penchant for beating a dead
horse to death.

I gently warned you a couple of times already, I'll be more
explicit. Lay off them who've done you no harm. You attacks on
Ken Blake were vicious and uncalled for. I neither grovel nor
pander, but speak the truth in as factual or even handed a way I
can these days. The source of your vitriol seems to be that Ken
called you out by saying that it was you that was deflecting this
NG from XP to Vista and then, when there still wasn't enough
chaos, you brought in Vienna.

I am still basically on your side, but if you cross over to
attacks on people, we'll have to rethink this. Please consider
softening some, nay, a lot.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Also, do you think you might be able to cut your posts down a
bit?

They are getting VERY long and discursive.

I enjoy his posts. Keep 'em up!

I'll try my best at recursive instead of discursive! grin Ooops!
If there's no exit from a recursive loop, it implodes!

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

I liked your testimonial on the APC RS 900 and intend to run
with it, after due diligence. Blake is full of beans.

It wasn't a testimonial nor a refutation of Ken Blake's views, as
I made clear. It fit what I needed when I needed it, and I
thought I was clear that Ken's notions, or anyone else's ideas
for a less costly solution, could easily fit one's situation when
it is less disruptive than mine. If you think Ken is tooting from
all the beans he's full of, you're entitled to that view.
Personally, I value his input, even if I don't necessarily
benefit from it immediately.

For Example, both PerfectDisk and True Image 10.0 provide
all those -- whereas Disk Defragmenter and Backup in XP do
NOT.

Seems like you've got two steams going here. I've got True
Image 9.0, seems to work OK. Anything special about 10.0
other than it costs money?

"Steams"???????

STREAMS!

Much Faster. Many bugs fixed. The changes are all called out
at the site. [True Image]. How large was your download for
9.0?

What bugs? Don't know how big the download is, don't care. It
works and I do not fix things that aren't broken.

At Raxco PerfectDisk they still call a BUG a BUG -- rather
than an "undesired enhancement" -- or some other silly-buggers
euphemism.

If a program does what a programmer intends it to do, but not
what the user wants, it is a feature, but if a program doesn't do
what a programmer intends, it is a bug whether users like it or
not. I think I understand bugs and BBUUGGSS and I think I
understand bloatware, so I am doing what doctors call watchful
waiting; maybe by the time I'm ready for a new PC, Linux will be
ready for primetime and this discussion will be both academic and
moot.

Neither does a computer with ONE GB of RAM -- trying to run
Vista.

No Comment by you, I note.

You said I was discursive, which I take it means verbose, so I
didn't feel the need to chew my cud for a 3rd or 4th time on my
view of how much memory I think is necessary for Vista, but if
you insist, at least 4 gig.

My current Zero Surge model cost me $150 in 1994 and is
still performing beautifully. I've definitely gotten my
money's worth.

No Comment by you, I note.

What would you expect me to say? Atta boy, good for you? It isn't
necessary for me to comment on each and every line of yours or
anyone's posts.

Buy the BEST and KEEP it for awhile. That's the ticket.

That's what you get when you PAY more but INSIST on the
things I note above and don't listen to the simpering,
supine, soporific bafflegab of foolish folks such as Blake,
below, who are always trying to cut corners and convince you
to buy lesser goods at a cheaper price, which can't even
carry the freight in the Long Run -- and often prove to be
the worst sort of schlock and shoddy goods.

Spence, please be careful of what you say and how you say it.
The walls have ears here, and you just stuck two sharp sticks
in Ken Blake's eyes. I haven't seen him do anything at all
outrageous.

I never said he did anything OUTRAGEOUS -- he's just
pedestrian.

You just did it again, look above to your own statement, and I
quote, "... don't listen to the simpering, supine, soporific
bafflegab of foolish folkss such as Blake...". Seems to me that
within reason both you guys have 1st Amendment rights to your own
opinions here, and elsewhere.

What do you mean about the walls have ears? It's a Public
Forum -- of course anyone can listen in.

That is what I meant. First, Ken will see your attack but won't
say anything, but you're likely to fall into the same kind of
hole I used to dig for myself by constantly attacking those who I
disagreed with and thought were shills for Redmond.

So What?

So, you're destroying your own credibility, and apparently
haven't been reading all of the posts which are running strongly
against you.

I call them the way I see them.

I'm looking for:

Value Added

Sophistication

Elegant Interface

Room for Growth

Blake doesn't provide or shed light on any of those. Many
other MVP's here DO. So do you, in SOME posts.

Gee, I'll try to do better, I didn't know you thought so little
of me.

Blake just keeps pumping out simpering, soporific, pedestrian
platitudes -- at about the 6th Grade Level.

Yet another uncalled for - and inaccurate - assessment and
personal attack.

"Eat Your Spinach" Platitudes...

'Nuff Said.

First, I don't think it is realistic for an MVP to take ultra-
strong, disparaging points-of-view of anything MS. But, if you
really want a voice in this, why not buy a huge block of stock
and take it to Bill the Gates and Steve Ballmer directly? I never
said that what you are crying in the desert for is there, I've
been consistant in your support that I don't see it either.
However, other apparently happy campers have chimed in many times
saying how much they liked Vista and how well it runs on systems
I would think are below FAA minimums, so, go figure.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
There is nothing that can compare to the pull you get on the
back of your neck on a banzai start at a light, or the
feeling of exhillaration along with the acceleration, as you
jump on an Interstate at 45-50, pound the loud pedal, hold on
for a few seconds and when you look down, the speedo says you
at 100+. And, safely, albeit not if the fuzz sees you. People
who drive at high speed in the halcyon days of the muscle car
were doing it with poor brakes and polyglas tires.

I usually have to hit my breaks by the time I get on the
freeway from the ramp

I prefer to hit my BRAKES than my BREAKS! grin

Justin, I have what I think is an interesting defintion of
the oft mis-used term "exiting" as applies to vehicles.
Many/most perceive this to mean "high performance", while I
think it means "a vehicle which EXCEEDS my expectations". I
like this better because ecoboxes can be exiting, as can
minivans, pickups, sports cars, or yes, giant HEMIs able to
leap in a single bound over lesser cars and even some greater
cars. And, as I stated a few times last night, today's hi-po
cars, unlike the 196x/197x muscle cars, is clean, safe, quiet
and refined, ultra-high featured, comfortable, and pretty
damn stingy on gas.

As to Priii, plural of Priuses, I just love to leave a 15-20
batch of 2-tire rubber next to them folk who paid a premium
for a vehicle that will NEVER break even on total overall
cost at today's gas prices, if you remember to count periodic
battery replacement along with whatever your real-world mpg
is.

Don't forget the environment! Which reminds me, we need a new
rule. For every new prius on the road a muscle car should be
able to remove a smog device!

Well, since we're talking about the genre of priii, how do owners
dispose of the old batteries, in the ground water of a land-fill?

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Adam Albright made these interesting comments ...


I usually have to hit my breaks by the time I get on the
freeway from the ramp

Since when do they let hot headed kids on bicycles with
training wheels on the freeway? Knock that off Justin, that's
dangerous.

Yes, street racing and high speed jaunts up the Interstate are
dangerous. I look both ways for both other cars and the fuzz and I
am a far better driver than most these days, as is Justin, I
suspect, so before you accuse, best understand. There is no excuse
for driving recklessly, but it is always a great help to have a
competent car driven by a trained and experienced driver. Try a
high-speed mananeuver in lesser cars and you'll play bumper cars
with them little Priiis.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

Wow, awesome, thanks again for another great read!

Glad it was of interest. If you want to go off-line, try me at




"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

To put this into perspective, the "chip" I constantly
re-program for performance enhancements, where does it fit
into percentage of all this code?

It looms pretty large. Unless you blindly trust what the
maker of the engine controller chip says - I assume that's
the one you mean - one gets the most bang for the buck by
paying the freight to test a few on a chassis dyno. But,
Mopar sells several levels of these things that can
significantly increase hp without killing the warranty, and a
few that do. During the Neon SRT-4 days, Chrysler sold at
least 3 levels of mods for the turbo 4- banger that could get
you into the 400 hp range (!) and could literally stay with a
then-current Viper through 120 mph and nearly take it in the
standing 1320. Now that is performance!

That just seems like an awful lot of code to be processed.
Especially when you need mechanical actions within
milliseconds. Is it possible this "amount" of code is
what's required to make these chips? That would be a huge
difference.

Yes. You may have noticed that the Mercedes-designed 5-speed
auto, though, has some driveability issues in its modified by
Chrysler state - we beefed it to handle the SRRT8 motor. If
you stomp on it, suddently realize you're climbing up
somebody's butt, let up, then go back to part throttle, the
transmission controller gets ALL confused. It is measuring
pedal depression, vehicle speed, and engine condition, all in
a two-way feedback mechanism, and it hunts and fetches until
it finds the right gear. No longevity problem, but I find it
annoying.

The real reason why so much hp can be gleaned from very
inexpensive reprogrammed chips is that the car makers
generally design them a whole bunch UNDER where the engine
and trans will live, partially to glean satisfactory CAFE
which is important all the way around and partially so folks
that can't drive a high performance car don't kill
themselves. So, knowledgeable drivers can take advantage of
this over-design and take out some or all of the excess
mechanical strenght in the engine and add 25, 50, 100 or more
real net hp. Ain't life great?!

Past what I've already said, some of which is pretty factual
but out-of-date while the rest is extrapolation, yes there
are lots of lines of code.But, much of the chip reprograms
are lesser problems of lines of code than they are of
resetting known - and tested for - conditions such as
old-fashion fuel-air mixture, amount of fuel metered, spark
advance, and other things, to very quickly alter performance,
but STILL maintain full EPA or CARB emissions compliance, the
law not being suspended for them who tweak their mills.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

Beats me, but he uses it a lot:

I think that a loose translation of the Latin is "Jerry, you are
too verbose and pander too much to MS."

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read.../2001-08/09972
22668

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read.../2000-07/09642
23210

http://groups.google.fr/group/alt.en...ree/browse_frm
/month/1999-11?_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.english.usage%2Fbrowse_frm %
2Fmonth%2F1999-11%3F&

http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/v...t=7856&start=3
&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=e84488fc7 5a68828a776e3
7514b073e0

In fact, a Google search brings up links ONLY relating to him.
Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...

Vide infra pro interscriptibus.

Huh?

--
HP, aka Jerry

Much agreed!

I use my power for:

1. Towing
2. 0-50ish very quickly
3. 80+ on the open road to....fun stuff...

Although a BMW stomped my ass the other day I need to get back into a
car! I had him up to 48. Then quickly lost it. I'm just not geared for
"quickness" up that high. Even though I already upped my gear ratio.



"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...
Today, Adam Albright made these interesting comments ...


I usually have to hit my breaks by the time I get on the
freeway from the ramp

Since when do they let hot headed kids on bicycles with
training wheels on the freeway? Knock that off Justin, that's
dangerous.

Yes, street racing and high speed jaunts up the Interstate are
dangerous. I look both ways for both other cars and the fuzz and I
am a far better driver than most these days, as is Justin, I
suspect, so before you accuse, best understand. There is no excuse
for driving recklessly, but it is always a great help to have a
competent car driven by a trained and experienced driver. Try a
high-speed mananeuver in lesser cars and you'll play bumper cars
with them little Priiis.

--
HP, aka Jerry