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Vista I will not be buying
If someone sends you an ecrypted e-mail, do you want everyone to be able to
see the clear-text version, or just you? What if a movie rental company sends you an encrypted version of a movie that you rented online. Should anyone in the world be able to read it? Why would you want an operating system that does not allow you, and only you to view protected content? "GregRo" wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:20:22 GMT, Leythos wrote: In article , webworm12 says... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote: In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to steal. The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period. That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want to see everything and have access to everything on the computer period. Let use this analogy. Some one builds you a home. They put a private room in Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed access to it. Even through it is in your own house. Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a legal right to it - what part are you left without? Your analogy should be more like: You buy a house. You want to make crack in it. The government has rules against it - you have a choice. You start making crack. You get your home taken away by the government. My point is I want to have access to everything on may hard drive and in my computer. If I choose to break a law that is my choice not the operating system. I don't need a net nanny that for kids. Which I don't break any laws for the record. Microsoft and Hollywood assumes everyone is a criminal out to get them. What if a virus, spyware, or adware program got into the protected area and the virus, spyware or adware protection program could not clean it out? This will happen. If you want to buy vista go right ahead. I made my decision based on those and other articles. If every I do get vista is will be only because a job requires or Microsoft sent me a free version Greg Ro |
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You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying.
It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. "David Schwartz" wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message ... There is no "Protected Area" there is just a restriction on what you can copy. Where do you get the idea that there is some magical area reserved on your drive? Your assumption about "protected area" is wrong, as is your reasoning. Suppose a virus or other piece of malware managed to protect itself such that I could not copy it. That would mean that I could not send it to an expert for analysis or copy it onto another uninfected machine myself to figure out how to disentangle it from my system. Right? DS |
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Vista I will not be buying
Digital Rights Management is already used in Windows (in Windows Media
Player, and Media Center). I can buy music, rent movies, and backup my files. I can copy my media to my portable device, CD, or laptop computer...they work just fine. DRM does not prevent legitimate use including use on multiple devices, and it does not prevent backing up. Vista is simply extending DRM to TVs and monitors that may support it in the future. If you're not interested in using these future TVs, then it doesn't matter what operating system you use. If you want to take advantage of the new hardware, you will need an operating system that supports it (whether Windows or some other operating system). "Peter A. Stavrakoglou" wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case, although I can see it being so for some others. |
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Ed wrote:
You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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Or unauthorised monitors playing the video. Your current computer will refuse to play DRM videos
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "capitan" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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My biggest concern with all "DRM" is it's longevity and reliability.
So far it has been a Create New process, somebody breaks it and then it all starts over again. Most PC users cannot keep up with simple things like Product Keys and Passwords. Image a few years from now when you need Version 1.2a7 and encryption package 2.a to play your iTunes 1-27 and another version to get songs 27-51 to play. I deal with customers all the time who have these extensive libraries of DRM music and no inkling how or why to back it up. I'm not against DRM per-say, but to me it's a make-it-up as you go kind of technology. One thing today, a new one tomorrow. "David Candy" . wrote in message ... Or unauthorised monitors playing the video. Your current computer will refuse to play DRM videos -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "capitan" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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I'm a fan of normal CDs. Lucky I don't listen to anything newer than 1990.
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... My biggest concern with all "DRM" is it's longevity and reliability. So far it has been a Create New process, somebody breaks it and then it all starts over again. Most PC users cannot keep up with simple things like Product Keys and Passwords. Image a few years from now when you need Version 1.2a7 and encryption package 2.a to play your iTunes 1-27 and another version to get songs 27-51 to play. I deal with customers all the time who have these extensive libraries of DRM music and no inkling how or why to back it up. I'm not against DRM per-say, but to me it's a make-it-up as you go kind of technology. One thing today, a new one tomorrow. "David Candy" . wrote in message ... Or unauthorised monitors playing the video. Your current computer will refuse to play DRM videos -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "capitan" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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Vista I will not be buying
Actually, I've "Digitized" all my music and have it in a pure form.
Unless somebody figures out how to encrypt air molecules I'm set. I would say my collection probably stops at around 1977-78. (Disco came on the scene around then, "Saturday Night Fever"..) Our neighborhood Record shop does almost all it's business now in Used CDs. "David Candy" . wrote in message ... I'm a fan of normal CDs. Lucky I don't listen to anything newer than 1990. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... My biggest concern with all "DRM" is it's longevity and reliability. So far it has been a Create New process, somebody breaks it and then it all starts over again. Most PC users cannot keep up with simple things like Product Keys and Passwords. Image a few years from now when you need Version 1.2a7 and encryption package 2.a to play your iTunes 1-27 and another version to get songs 27-51 to play. I deal with customers all the time who have these extensive libraries of DRM music and no inkling how or why to back it up. I'm not against DRM per-say, but to me it's a make-it-up as you go kind of technology. One thing today, a new one tomorrow. "David Candy" . wrote in message ... Or unauthorised monitors playing the video. Your current computer will refuse to play DRM videos -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "capitan" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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Vista I will not be buying
I only have CDs from Enigma (one of theirs is the 1990 one), Led Zepp, Pink Floyd, Dire Straits, and Kate Bush.
These are the ones that have withstood the test of time. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... Actually, I've "Digitized" all my music and have it in a pure form. Unless somebody figures out how to encrypt air molecules I'm set. I would say my collection probably stops at around 1977-78. (Disco came on the scene around then, "Saturday Night Fever"..) Our neighborhood Record shop does almost all it's business now in Used CDs. "David Candy" . wrote in message ... I'm a fan of normal CDs. Lucky I don't listen to anything newer than 1990. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... My biggest concern with all "DRM" is it's longevity and reliability. So far it has been a Create New process, somebody breaks it and then it all starts over again. Most PC users cannot keep up with simple things like Product Keys and Passwords. Image a few years from now when you need Version 1.2a7 and encryption package 2.a to play your iTunes 1-27 and another version to get songs 27-51 to play. I deal with customers all the time who have these extensive libraries of DRM music and no inkling how or why to back it up. I'm not against DRM per-say, but to me it's a make-it-up as you go kind of technology. One thing today, a new one tomorrow. "David Candy" . wrote in message ... Or unauthorised monitors playing the video. Your current computer will refuse to play DRM videos -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "capitan" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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Yes, I'm aware that there is a limit on the number of copies you can make.
That's the whole point of DRM. You can make legitimate copies (for example on MSN Music, you can make 7 copies)...If you need more copies, you can always purchase another license. There may be occasional glitches with the technology, but that's the case with all complex software...it's not a reason to abandon technology altogether. DRM is no different than any secure method of communication. If I have private content on a server, I can limit the users to just those that I authorize using VPN. If I have a private e-mail, I can encrypt it so that only my designated recipient can open it. If I have music or video content, I can encrypt it so that only authorized purchasers can view or listen. If you are in favor of eliminating protection on content, then you lose not only the ability to secure music an movies, but also lose all secure communications, including secure e-mail. "capitan" wrote: Ed wrote: You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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Most likely there would be no blocking of analog output.
The idea would be to prevent an unencrypted digital output from being captured and illegally copied. "David Candy" wrote: Or unauthorised monitors playing the video. Your current computer will refuse to play DRM videos -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodbye Web Diary http://margokingston.typepad.com/har....html#comments ================================================= "capitan" wrote in message ... Ed wrote: You don't understand how DRM works. It does not prevent deleting or copying. It only prevents unauthorized copies from being decrypted. It's the same as when you receive an encrypted e-mail in Outlook from a friend. You can still delete or copy the file if you want. However, it cannot be read by unauthorized parties that intercept it. What you are asking for is an operating system that would convert all encrypted content to clear-text format....that's a bad idea. And you have never had DRM technology screw up on you seemingly. DRM, depending on the terms of use for the specific media, is meant to limit or stop these exact things. Have you ever read the iTunes terms of use for music purchased there? It specifically states that you are limited in the number of times you can burn each song to a cd or copy it. DRM in WinXP, Product activation doesn't work the way it is supposed to way too often. Many times activation over the internet should work, but does not. See the below link. http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/wpa.html Technologies like this DO NOT prevent pirating of media and software, it just treats consumers like criminals. -- capitan |
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