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  #46  
Old April 14th 04, 08:26 PM
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Default Networking two computers

Bruce,
I was really being sarcastic with my comment about the
computer crashing if I uninstalled the network card. I
can see where you might have thought I would never try
that. Anyway, I am making some progress. I have
disabled Zonealarm and that is letting me network, but
now I have to figure out what to do with ZA!
thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Its not like, if it "crashed" it is actually going to

break anything.

I have been through this kind of problem before, and

sometimes you have
to completely remove and reinstall the network card

driver. The problem
won't go away until you do, if that's where your problem

is.

Sometimes, it also necessary to actually rename the

computer after
removing the networking (software) components.

Sometimes, old network
protocols appear to hang on, invisibly, even after you

remove them in
the Connection Properities dialog.

"Starting from scratch" is best, because once you truly

are at scratch,
it really is wonderfully simple and straightforward to

just run the
wizard. Getting to "scratch" is sometimes problematic,

and there's
often little use in fiddlin' with individual settings.

"Bob" wrote in

message
...
Bruce,
thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll
uninstall the network card and my system will probably
crash! I don't have that much confidence in Microsoft!
I'm not going to go that far with this problem.
Thanks anyway,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I would second the recommendation to start from

scratch,
with this
additional recommendation along the same line: go to

Device Manager and
uninstall the network card. (You should probably make

sure you have
drivers handy for your network card, before you do

this.) Reinstall the
network card, and then run the network setup wizard,

choosing the
"connect thru a residential gateway option" on both

computers.



.

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  #47  
Old April 14th 04, 08:26 PM
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Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers

Bruce,
I was really being sarcastic with my comment about the
computer crashing if I uninstalled the network card. I
can see where you might have thought I would never try
that. Anyway, I am making some progress. I have
disabled Zonealarm and that is letting me network, but
now I have to figure out what to do with ZA!
thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Its not like, if it "crashed" it is actually going to

break anything.

I have been through this kind of problem before, and

sometimes you have
to completely remove and reinstall the network card

driver. The problem
won't go away until you do, if that's where your problem

is.

Sometimes, it also necessary to actually rename the

computer after
removing the networking (software) components.

Sometimes, old network
protocols appear to hang on, invisibly, even after you

remove them in
the Connection Properities dialog.

"Starting from scratch" is best, because once you truly

are at scratch,
it really is wonderfully simple and straightforward to

just run the
wizard. Getting to "scratch" is sometimes problematic,

and there's
often little use in fiddlin' with individual settings.

"Bob" wrote in

message
...
Bruce,
thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll
uninstall the network card and my system will probably
crash! I don't have that much confidence in Microsoft!
I'm not going to go that far with this problem.
Thanks anyway,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I would second the recommendation to start from

scratch,
with this
additional recommendation along the same line: go to

Device Manager and
uninstall the network card. (You should probably make

sure you have
drivers handy for your network card, before you do

this.) Reinstall the
network card, and then run the network setup wizard,

choosing the
"connect thru a residential gateway option" on both

computers.



.

  #48  
Old April 14th 04, 08:32 PM
Robert Tyler
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Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers


You don't have to disable ZoneAlarm - even the free version. All you
have to do is:

Open the ZoneAlarm control center.
Click on 'Firewall' on the left side.
Bottom/right, click on 'Add'.
When the window opens, choose IP Range.
In the Trusted Zone, put the IP number range of your network.
When done, make sure you click on 'Apply' at the bottom/right before
closing ZoneAlarm.

You also shouldn't have to mess with the security options after that -
your netowrk is in the Trusted zone and all should be fine.

Good luck - and welcome to the world of XP networking hell.

Bob Tyler...
Tyler Systems


On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:42:58 -0700, "Bob"
wrote:

Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to
help you.In other words pay a professional to come in

and
network your home. It really wont be that much.
This is all that I can see that will help you.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Bruce,
thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll
uninstall the network card and my system will probably
crash! I don't have that much confidence in

Microsoft!
I'm not going to go that far with this problem.
Thanks anyway,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I would second the recommendation to start from

scratch,
with this
additional recommendation along the same line: go to
Device Manager and
uninstall the network card. (You should probably make
sure you have
drivers handy for your network card, before you do
this.) Reinstall the
network card, and then run the network setup wizard,
choosing the
"connect thru a residential gateway option" on both
computers.

That really should be enough. It is meant to just

work
in its default
configuration. Really.


wrote in message
.. .
Nick,
thanks for the response. I agree with you about
starting
from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate
knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me
stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network,
but
I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll

keep
hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it
will work one of these days.
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming
conventions are usually total crap. Take the example

of
the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi

setting.
To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher

the
setting, the smaller the image, while in the display
settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with
screen inches... like the average joe would know

that).

I just took the time to post all that to help you get
your network set up. That was the main reason why you
posted, right? =P

I've found often enough that when something really
frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've

set
up enough networks in XP and done enough clean

installs
to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and
mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the
mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition,

it'll
be
easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything.

Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca


-----Original Message-----
Nick,
I appreciate the time you put into your response,

but
I
must say that the length of your answer only
substantiates my opinion that the Windows

XP "wizard"
is
just the opposite. If I have to go through all of
that
to get a network set up, how the heck can they call

it
a
wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set
this
thing up only to get one error after another, I am
absolutely certain that there has to be an easier

way
to
do this, and Microsoft does not use that way!
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
What are the IPs of each of the computers?

Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the
other
computer in the form:

\\Desktop\Shared
or
\\Laptop\Shared

Where Shared is the name of a folder on that

computer
that is set to be shared on the network.

If you want to get the two computers to be

networked
safely, you need to have them both with the same
first
3
sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and

the
router should have a connection to the cable modem.

I have set up several networks with XP on networks
with
anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a

single
router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained
together.
Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just

ran
the
network setup wizard for each computer and I was up
and
running.

Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything.
EVERYTHING.
Connect the power to the router and then press and
hold
the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be

one
on
the back or the bottom).

Find the instructions that came with the router (or
find
them of the router manufacturer's website) and

follow
them step by step. While you're setting everything
up,
only have ONE computer connected, once the router

is
configured properly, connect the other computer.

Make
sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP
server.

Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this
both
from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in

the
router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers
should
have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3

parts
of
the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If

this
doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the
Windows
Network Setup Wizard to work.

Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described
above,
NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input
the
exact same settings into each computer. Share a
folder
and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder

in
the
form

\\computer\folder

If this still doesn't work (and you've actually
followed
everything that I've said here), let us know.


Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca

"The definition of insanity: doing the same thing
over
and over expecting different results."

-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own. I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I
have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per

se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two

PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the
router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall

make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router

(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into

the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network so

I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard, the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm

down
I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will

get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and
shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It
will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is

enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t

ro
ub
l
e
s
h
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0

...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I

try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not

have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have

access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work
well
for
networking!


.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.



.

.

.


  #49  
Old April 14th 04, 08:32 PM
Robert Tyler
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers


You don't have to disable ZoneAlarm - even the free version. All you
have to do is:

Open the ZoneAlarm control center.
Click on 'Firewall' on the left side.
Bottom/right, click on 'Add'.
When the window opens, choose IP Range.
In the Trusted Zone, put the IP number range of your network.
When done, make sure you click on 'Apply' at the bottom/right before
closing ZoneAlarm.

You also shouldn't have to mess with the security options after that -
your netowrk is in the Trusted zone and all should be fine.

Good luck - and welcome to the world of XP networking hell.

Bob Tyler...
Tyler Systems


On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:42:58 -0700, "Bob"
wrote:

Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to
help you.In other words pay a professional to come in

and
network your home. It really wont be that much.
This is all that I can see that will help you.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Bruce,
thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll
uninstall the network card and my system will probably
crash! I don't have that much confidence in

Microsoft!
I'm not going to go that far with this problem.
Thanks anyway,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I would second the recommendation to start from

scratch,
with this
additional recommendation along the same line: go to
Device Manager and
uninstall the network card. (You should probably make
sure you have
drivers handy for your network card, before you do
this.) Reinstall the
network card, and then run the network setup wizard,
choosing the
"connect thru a residential gateway option" on both
computers.

That really should be enough. It is meant to just

work
in its default
configuration. Really.


wrote in message
.. .
Nick,
thanks for the response. I agree with you about
starting
from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate
knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me
stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network,
but
I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll

keep
hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it
will work one of these days.
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming
conventions are usually total crap. Take the example

of
the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi

setting.
To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher

the
setting, the smaller the image, while in the display
settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with
screen inches... like the average joe would know

that).

I just took the time to post all that to help you get
your network set up. That was the main reason why you
posted, right? =P

I've found often enough that when something really
frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've

set
up enough networks in XP and done enough clean

installs
to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and
mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the
mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition,

it'll
be
easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything.

Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca


-----Original Message-----
Nick,
I appreciate the time you put into your response,

but
I
must say that the length of your answer only
substantiates my opinion that the Windows

XP "wizard"
is
just the opposite. If I have to go through all of
that
to get a network set up, how the heck can they call

it
a
wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set
this
thing up only to get one error after another, I am
absolutely certain that there has to be an easier

way
to
do this, and Microsoft does not use that way!
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
What are the IPs of each of the computers?

Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the
other
computer in the form:

\\Desktop\Shared
or
\\Laptop\Shared

Where Shared is the name of a folder on that

computer
that is set to be shared on the network.

If you want to get the two computers to be

networked
safely, you need to have them both with the same
first
3
sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and

the
router should have a connection to the cable modem.

I have set up several networks with XP on networks
with
anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a

single
router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained
together.
Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just

ran
the
network setup wizard for each computer and I was up
and
running.

Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything.
EVERYTHING.
Connect the power to the router and then press and
hold
the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be

one
on
the back or the bottom).

Find the instructions that came with the router (or
find
them of the router manufacturer's website) and

follow
them step by step. While you're setting everything
up,
only have ONE computer connected, once the router

is
configured properly, connect the other computer.

Make
sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP
server.

Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this
both
from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in

the
router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers
should
have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3

parts
of
the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If

this
doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the
Windows
Network Setup Wizard to work.

Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described
above,
NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input
the
exact same settings into each computer. Share a
folder
and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder

in
the
form

\\computer\folder

If this still doesn't work (and you've actually
followed
everything that I've said here), let us know.


Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca

"The definition of insanity: doing the same thing
over
and over expecting different results."

-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own. I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I
have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per

se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two

PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the
router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall

make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router

(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into

the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network so

I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard, the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm

down
I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will

get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and
shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It
will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is

enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t

ro
ub
l
e
s
h
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0

...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I

try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not

have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have

access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work
well
for
networking!


.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.



.

.

.


  #50  
Old April 14th 04, 08:38 PM
Joe
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers

See what I mean I told you to hang in there good I removed
Zone alarm and I amnow using the ICF in window it works
well and the service pack 2 that will be out soon for XP
will further enhance it. Stay with MS products with XP
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to
help you.In other words pay a professional to come in

and
network your home. It really wont be that much.
This is all that I can see that will help you.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Bruce,
thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll
uninstall the network card and my system will probably
crash! I don't have that much confidence in

Microsoft!
I'm not going to go that far with this problem.
Thanks anyway,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I would second the recommendation to start from

scratch,
with this
additional recommendation along the same line: go to
Device Manager and
uninstall the network card. (You should probably make
sure you have
drivers handy for your network card, before you do
this.) Reinstall the
network card, and then run the network setup wizard,
choosing the
"connect thru a residential gateway option" on both
computers.

That really should be enough. It is meant to just

work
in its default
configuration. Really.


wrote in message
.. .
Nick,
thanks for the response. I agree with you about
starting
from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate
knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me
stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network,
but
I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll

keep
hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it
will work one of these days.
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming
conventions are usually total crap. Take the example

of
the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi

setting.
To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher

the
setting, the smaller the image, while in the display
settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with
screen inches... like the average joe would know

that).

I just took the time to post all that to help you get
your network set up. That was the main reason why you
posted, right? =P

I've found often enough that when something really
frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've

set
up enough networks in XP and done enough clean

installs
to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and
mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the
mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition,

it'll
be
easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything.

Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca


-----Original Message-----
Nick,
I appreciate the time you put into your response,

but
I
must say that the length of your answer only
substantiates my opinion that the Windows

XP "wizard"
is
just the opposite. If I have to go through all of
that
to get a network set up, how the heck can they call

it
a
wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set
this
thing up only to get one error after another, I am
absolutely certain that there has to be an easier

way
to
do this, and Microsoft does not use that way!
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
What are the IPs of each of the computers?

Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the
other
computer in the form:

\\Desktop\Shared
or
\\Laptop\Shared

Where Shared is the name of a folder on that

computer
that is set to be shared on the network.

If you want to get the two computers to be

networked
safely, you need to have them both with the same
first
3
sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and

the
router should have a connection to the cable modem.

I have set up several networks with XP on networks
with
anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a

single
router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained
together.
Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just

ran
the
network setup wizard for each computer and I was up
and
running.

Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything.
EVERYTHING.
Connect the power to the router and then press and
hold
the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be

one
on
the back or the bottom).

Find the instructions that came with the router (or
find
them of the router manufacturer's website) and

follow
them step by step. While you're setting everything
up,
only have ONE computer connected, once the router

is
configured properly, connect the other computer.

Make
sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP
server.

Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this
both
from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in

the
router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers
should
have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3

parts
of
the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If

this
doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the
Windows
Network Setup Wizard to work.

Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described
above,
NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input
the
exact same settings into each computer. Share a
folder
and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder

in
the
form

\\computer\folder

If this still doesn't work (and you've actually
followed
everything that I've said here), let us know.


Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca

"The definition of insanity: doing the same thing
over
and over expecting different results."

-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own. I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I
have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per

se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two

PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the
router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall

make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router

(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into

the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network so

I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard, the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm

down
I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will

get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and
shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It
will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is

enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t

ro
ub
l
e
s
h
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0

...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I

try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not

have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have

access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work
well
for
networking!


.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.



.

.

.

.

  #51  
Old April 14th 04, 08:38 PM
Joe
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers

See what I mean I told you to hang in there good I removed
Zone alarm and I amnow using the ICF in window it works
well and the service pack 2 that will be out soon for XP
will further enhance it. Stay with MS products with XP
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to
help you.In other words pay a professional to come in

and
network your home. It really wont be that much.
This is all that I can see that will help you.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Bruce,
thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll
uninstall the network card and my system will probably
crash! I don't have that much confidence in

Microsoft!
I'm not going to go that far with this problem.
Thanks anyway,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I would second the recommendation to start from

scratch,
with this
additional recommendation along the same line: go to
Device Manager and
uninstall the network card. (You should probably make
sure you have
drivers handy for your network card, before you do
this.) Reinstall the
network card, and then run the network setup wizard,
choosing the
"connect thru a residential gateway option" on both
computers.

That really should be enough. It is meant to just

work
in its default
configuration. Really.


wrote in message
.. .
Nick,
thanks for the response. I agree with you about
starting
from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate
knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me
stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network,
but
I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll

keep
hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it
will work one of these days.
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming
conventions are usually total crap. Take the example

of
the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi

setting.
To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher

the
setting, the smaller the image, while in the display
settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with
screen inches... like the average joe would know

that).

I just took the time to post all that to help you get
your network set up. That was the main reason why you
posted, right? =P

I've found often enough that when something really
frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've

set
up enough networks in XP and done enough clean

installs
to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and
mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the
mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition,

it'll
be
easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything.

Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca


-----Original Message-----
Nick,
I appreciate the time you put into your response,

but
I
must say that the length of your answer only
substantiates my opinion that the Windows

XP "wizard"
is
just the opposite. If I have to go through all of
that
to get a network set up, how the heck can they call

it
a
wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set
this
thing up only to get one error after another, I am
absolutely certain that there has to be an easier

way
to
do this, and Microsoft does not use that way!
thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
What are the IPs of each of the computers?

Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the
other
computer in the form:

\\Desktop\Shared
or
\\Laptop\Shared

Where Shared is the name of a folder on that

computer
that is set to be shared on the network.

If you want to get the two computers to be

networked
safely, you need to have them both with the same
first
3
sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and

the
router should have a connection to the cable modem.

I have set up several networks with XP on networks
with
anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a

single
router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained
together.
Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just

ran
the
network setup wizard for each computer and I was up
and
running.

Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything.
EVERYTHING.
Connect the power to the router and then press and
hold
the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be

one
on
the back or the bottom).

Find the instructions that came with the router (or
find
them of the router manufacturer's website) and

follow
them step by step. While you're setting everything
up,
only have ONE computer connected, once the router

is
configured properly, connect the other computer.

Make
sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP
server.

Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this
both
from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in

the
router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers
should
have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3

parts
of
the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If

this
doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the
Windows
Network Setup Wizard to work.

Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described
above,
NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input
the
exact same settings into each computer. Share a
folder
and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder

in
the
form

\\computer\folder

If this still doesn't work (and you've actually
followed
everything that I've said here), let us know.


Hope this helps,

Nick
nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca

"The definition of insanity: doing the same thing
over
and over expecting different results."

-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own. I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I
have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per

se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two

PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the
router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall

make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router

(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into

the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network so

I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard, the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm

down
I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will

get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and
shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It
will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is

enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t

ro
ub
l
e
s
h
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0

...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I

try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not

have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have

access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work
well
for
networking!


.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.



.

.

.

.

  #52  
Old April 14th 04, 08:45 PM
Bob
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers

Joe,
the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the
computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to
share between the two computers. Situation all normal!
thanks,
Bob


-----Original Message-----
Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong.
You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess

with
other products in your case. Some people have great
success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for
Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to

keep
out intruders just as well as the others if not better!

It
can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here

Bob.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when

I'm
using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I
put the security at, I can't network. It will only
network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate.
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Glad to see that you're making some progress. You

should
be able to tell ZA
to trust the 2 PC IP adresses.
Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF.



"Bob" wrote in

message
. ..
Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking

issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Would you be willing to try this?
try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the

other
and
see if you can connect the two. If so you may need
(indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub

downstream
of
the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up.

can
you
get to your ohter pc like this:
\\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being

shared
enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much
attention is being put on this, our goal is to get

you
to
share files and the internet.

You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont

you
get
a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again.
I think you will succeed.

As I am looking through the other posts in this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.

This primarily because thay are learning just as

you
are
with trouble shooting and their first set up there

are
many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will

also
agree.
I have to go now but I will be back later there are

some
real smart people here and they truly will help you

keep
trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware
changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1

year
it
to me is worth it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
my router does have a firewall built in.
I have disabled the firewall in XP on both

computers.
Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing.
The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3
The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4
As far as me being the only person on the planet to
have
a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with
that. As I am looking through the other posts in

this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.
Thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Bob,

So I want you to tell me this please.
Does your router have a hardware firewall built

in
it?

Second if not do you know how to share files?

Lets take the laptop and go from there.
make your way to network connections and then

right
click
on that connection go to properties and then to

the
advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do

this
please
for me and tell me on both PC's

Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that

is
being
assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if

it
is
the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on

the
planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater
things
than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there.
We will get it
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the

internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own.

I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the

modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and
I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The

computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I

have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC

or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per

se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or

just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two

PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the

router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall

make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router

(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what

you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into

the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to

the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network

so I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the

net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not

sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard,

the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a

couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm

down I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will

get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and

shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It

will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is

enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro

ub
le
sh
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0

...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I

try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not

have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have

access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work

well
for
networking!


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.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.



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  #53  
Old April 14th 04, 08:47 PM
Bob
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers

Joe,
the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the
computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to
share between the two computers. Situation all normal!
thanks,
Bob


-----Original Message-----
Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong.
You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess

with
other products in your case. Some people have great
success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for
Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to

keep
out intruders just as well as the others if not better!

It
can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here

Bob.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when

I'm
using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I
put the security at, I can't network. It will only
network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate.
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Glad to see that you're making some progress. You

should
be able to tell ZA
to trust the 2 PC IP adresses.
Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF.



"Bob" wrote in

message
. ..
Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking

issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Would you be willing to try this?
try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the

other
and
see if you can connect the two. If so you may need
(indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub

downstream
of
the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up.

can
you
get to your ohter pc like this:
\\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being

shared
enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much
attention is being put on this, our goal is to get

you
to
share files and the internet.

You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont

you
get
a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again.
I think you will succeed.

As I am looking through the other posts in this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.

This primarily because thay are learning just as

you
are
with trouble shooting and their first set up there

are
many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will

also
agree.
I have to go now but I will be back later there are

some
real smart people here and they truly will help you

keep
trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware
changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1

year
it
to me is worth it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
my router does have a firewall built in.
I have disabled the firewall in XP on both

computers.
Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing.
The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3
The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4
As far as me being the only person on the planet to
have
a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with
that. As I am looking through the other posts in

this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.
Thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Bob,

So I want you to tell me this please.
Does your router have a hardware firewall built

in
it?

Second if not do you know how to share files?

Lets take the laptop and go from there.
make your way to network connections and then

right
click
on that connection go to properties and then to

the
advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do

this
please
for me and tell me on both PC's

Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that

is
being
assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if

it
is
the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on

the
planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater
things
than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there.
We will get it
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the

internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own.

I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the

modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and
I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The

computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I

have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC

or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per

se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or

just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two

PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the

router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall

make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router

(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what

you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into

the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to

the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network

so I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the

net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not

sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard,

the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a

couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm

down I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will

get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and

shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It

will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is

enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro

ub
le
sh
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0

...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I

try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not

have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have

access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work

well
for
networking!


.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.



.

.

.

  #54  
Old April 14th 04, 08:48 PM
Joe
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers

Excellent! Bob
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the
computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to
share between the two computers. Situation all normal!
thanks,
Bob


-----Original Message-----
Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong.
You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess

with
other products in your case. Some people have great
success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for
Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to

keep
out intruders just as well as the others if not better!

It
can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here

Bob.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when

I'm
using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I
put the security at, I can't network. It will only
network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate.
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Glad to see that you're making some progress. You

should
be able to tell ZA
to trust the 2 PC IP adresses.
Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF.



"Bob" wrote in
message
.. .
Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking

issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Would you be willing to try this?
try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the

other
and
see if you can connect the two. If so you may need
(indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub

downstream
of
the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up.

can
you
get to your ohter pc like this:
\\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being
shared
enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much
attention is being put on this, our goal is to get

you
to
share files and the internet.

You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont

you
get
a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again.
I think you will succeed.

As I am looking through the other posts in this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.

This primarily because thay are learning just as

you
are
with trouble shooting and their first set up there

are
many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will
also
agree.
I have to go now but I will be back later there are
some
real smart people here and they truly will help you
keep
trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware
changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1
year
it
to me is worth it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
my router does have a firewall built in.
I have disabled the firewall in XP on both

computers.
Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing.
The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3
The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4
As far as me being the only person on the planet to
have
a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with
that. As I am looking through the other posts in
this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.
Thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Bob,

So I want you to tell me this please.
Does your router have a hardware firewall built

in
it?

Second if not do you know how to share files?

Lets take the laptop and go from there.
make your way to network connections and then

right
click
on that connection go to properties and then to

the
advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do

this
please
for me and tell me on both PC's

Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that

is
being
assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if

it
is
the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on

the
planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater
things
than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there.
We will get it
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the

internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own.

I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the

modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and
I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The

computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I
have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC

or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per
se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or

just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two
PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the
router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall
make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router
(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what

you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into
the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to

the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network

so I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the

net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not

sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard,

the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a

couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm
down I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will
get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and
shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It
will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is
enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro

ub
le
sh
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0
...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I
try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not
have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have
access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work
well
for
networking!


.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.



.

.

.

.

  #55  
Old April 14th 04, 08:49 PM
Joe
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Networking two computers

Excellent! Bob
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the
computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to
share between the two computers. Situation all normal!
thanks,
Bob


-----Original Message-----
Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong.
You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess

with
other products in your case. Some people have great
success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for
Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to

keep
out intruders just as well as the others if not better!

It
can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here

Bob.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when

I'm
using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I
put the security at, I can't network. It will only
network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate.
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Glad to see that you're making some progress. You

should
be able to tell ZA
to trust the 2 PC IP adresses.
Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF.



"Bob" wrote in
message
.. .
Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking

issue.
For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The
good news is that the two computers are finding each
other and I am able to share files. The bad news is
zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any
chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any
ideas?
thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Would you be willing to try this?
try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the

other
and
see if you can connect the two. If so you may need
(indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub

downstream
of
the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up.

can
you
get to your ohter pc like this:
\\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being
shared
enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much
attention is being put on this, our goal is to get

you
to
share files and the internet.

You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont

you
get
a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again.
I think you will succeed.

As I am looking through the other posts in this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.

This primarily because thay are learning just as

you
are
with trouble shooting and their first set up there

are
many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will
also
agree.
I have to go now but I will be back later there are
some
real smart people here and they truly will help you
keep
trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware
changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1
year
it
to me is worth it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
my router does have a firewall built in.
I have disabled the firewall in XP on both

computers.
Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing.
The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3
The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4
As far as me being the only person on the planet to
have
a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with
that. As I am looking through the other posts in
this
newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are
having
networking problems.
Thanks again,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Bob,

So I want you to tell me this please.
Does your router have a hardware firewall built

in
it?

Second if not do you know how to share files?

Lets take the laptop and go from there.
make your way to network connections and then

right
click
on that connection go to properties and then to

the
advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do

this
please
for me and tell me on both PC's

Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that

is
being
assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if

it
is
the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on

the
planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater
things
than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there.
We will get it
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
Maybe I should give you more information about my
situation. I have been connected to the

internet
for
years. Each computer can connect on their own.

I
have
a
cable modem. The router is connected to the

modem
and
then each computer is connected to the router. I
have
a
desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects
separately,
but I cannot share files between the two

computers.
I
have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it,

and
I
have
tried it using every single configuration they
offer.
No
matter what I try, it doesn't work. The

computers
can't
find each other, and then I keep getting error
messages
telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I
have
provided enough information to give you more
insight.
Please refer to my original post to see the error
message
I keep getting.
Thanks,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
Glad to see your back. So you have never been

able
to
connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC

or
does
your internet connection come from the wall per
se"
into
the router?

I suggest that you have your internet connection
from
your
ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and
then
add
another NIC card going out to your router or

just
install
a wireless nic and one inside your laptop.

Another
configuration is this. If all you have are two
PC's
1
desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the
router
Like
this:

Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall
make
sure
you are using the correct port on the router
(there
is
only one for incoming) and then the following
cables
or
wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about
trying
to
connect without using the wizard an see what

you
get.

Just another test here Bob:
plug the internet connection from the wall into
the
router
and then plug a cable out of the router into the
laptop
or
PC just one of them and see if you can get to

the
net.

I do not know exactly how you want to network

so I
am
assuming you want all your PC's to access the

net
via
the
router.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Joe,
what do you mean by your question? I'm not

sure
what
you
mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a
router
and
I have a desktop and laptop. The network

wizard
in
XP
is
doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep
getting
error messages when I try to run the wizard,

the
computers can't find each other, it cannot find
MSHOME.
I have tried to run the wizard at least a

couple
dozen
times over the past year and a half, and it

NEVER
works.
You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated
about
6
months ago. Thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
How are you connecting the PC's Bob?
with what type of hardware? and please calm
down I
know
you are frustrated but hang in there you will
get
it.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
Eric,
thanks for your reply, but I tried your
suggestions
and
of course they didn't work. As far as I'm
concerned,
Microsoft can take their network wizard and
shove
it
up
Bill Gates' ass.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
Greetings Bob,

Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It
will
block
file and printer
sharing by default. If you installed a third
party
firewall such as
ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is
properly
configured for the
network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is
enabled.
Details
here.

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro

ub
le
sh
oo
t/
netbt.htm

__________________
Eric


"Bob"
wrote
in
message
news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0
...
I have tried dozens of times to get my two
computers
to
network, but I have had no luck. I have

run
the
Windows
XP netork wizard (if you want to call it
that),
but
EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the
wizard. I
keep getting the following message when I
try
to
View
the
workgroup computers--

Mshome is not accessible. You might not
have
permission
to use this network resource. Contact the
administrator
of this server to find out if you have
access
permission. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not currently available.

Any clues as to what I can do to get this
network
to
work? Obviously Windows XP does not work
well
for
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