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Old October 19th 09, 02:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv"
wrote:

Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get
everything back in shape, ready to be used.

I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the
registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow.

Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy,
that's all.

What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU
with 4GB of RAM ?


So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh
install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin
your wheels.




My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing
to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing the
problem.


It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.


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Old October 19th 09, 02:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv"
wrote:

Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get
everything back in shape, ready to be used.

I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the
registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow.

Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy,
that's all.

What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU
with 4GB of RAM ?


So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh
install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin
your wheels.




My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing
to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing the
problem.


It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.


  #63  
Old October 19th 09, 02:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

M wrote:
Daave wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:


Defragmenting the hard drive, even a heavily fragmented one, will
not improve efficiency.


It makes XP boot faster.


I don't think so. The second thing that has to load is NTFS and it,
in turn, then loads everything it needs for subsequent access.
Everything.


I've timed it numerous times on many machines and it boots faster.


Out of curiosity, how much faster did these machines boot?


That depended on how badly fragmented it was which could mean up to a
minute less boot time.


That's pretty significant!


  #64  
Old October 19th 09, 02:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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M wrote:
Daave wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:


Defragmenting the hard drive, even a heavily fragmented one, will
not improve efficiency.


It makes XP boot faster.


I don't think so. The second thing that has to load is NTFS and it,
in turn, then loads everything it needs for subsequent access.
Everything.


I've timed it numerous times on many machines and it boots faster.


Out of curiosity, how much faster did these machines boot?


That depended on how badly fragmented it was which could mean up to a
minute less boot time.


That's pretty significant!


  #65  
Old October 19th 09, 02:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

relic wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv"
wrote:

Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get
everything back in shape, ready to be used.

I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning"
the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so
slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office
thingy, that's all.

What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU
with 4GB of RAM ?

So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh
install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin
your wheels.




My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing
to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing
the problem.


It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.


Maybe in your case...


  #66  
Old October 19th 09, 02:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!


relic wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv"
wrote:

Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get
everything back in shape, ready to be used.

I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning"
the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so
slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office
thingy, that's all.

What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU
with 4GB of RAM ?

So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh
install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin
your wheels.




My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing
to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing
the problem.


It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.


Maybe in your case...


  #67  
Old October 19th 09, 03:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:15:19 -0700, "relic" wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv"
wrote:

Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get
everything back in shape, ready to be used.

I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the
registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow.

Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy,
that's all.

What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU
with 4GB of RAM ?

So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh
install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin
your wheels.




My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing
to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing the
problem.


It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.




You may believe whatever you want to believe. It's not my experience
at all, and I completely disagree with that statement. XP gets slower
and slower only on the computers of people who do everything with it
wrong.

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  #68  
Old October 19th 09, 03:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:15:19 -0700, "relic" wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv"
wrote:

Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get
everything back in shape, ready to be used.

I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the
registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow.

Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy,
that's all.

What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU
with 4GB of RAM ?

So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh
install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin
your wheels.




My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing
to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing the
problem.


It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.




You may believe whatever you want to believe. It's not my experience
at all, and I completely disagree with that statement. XP gets slower
and slower only on the computers of people who do everything with it
wrong.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
  #69  
Old October 19th 09, 06:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.


You may believe whatever you want to believe. It's not my experience
at all, and I completely disagree with that statement. XP gets slower
and slower only on the computers of people who do everything with it
wrong.


I had XP Pro and Home dual booting for over 4.5 years, and kept them
humming along (Home was just a back door to Pro). Speed wasn't a
problem, some odd ball stuff was, like the boot.ini file would change
itself from.
WINDOWS="XP Pro E_Drive" /fastdetect /NoExecute=Optin to
WINDOWS="XP Pro E_Drive" /fastdetect=Optout
Never could figure/trace that one down (not malware, or a rootkit)
there's just so many times you can use ERUNT or repair installs.

I finally formatted the two partitions, the restore disks didn't work
for home (too old?), so I dual booted slipstreamed XPSP3's - things
aren't working right any more - and one of the two is slower than it
should be.

I plan on reformatting that Partition, then install XP, SP1, SP2, and
maybe SP3.

Just saying even after 4.5 years of operation (with SP3), I was
operating faster and with fewer problems, than after a clean install.
(and all drivers have been installed).

Note: I reinstalled as my Best Buy network card quit working, and I
thought it was windows Pro. I had the internal one disabled with
autoruns - thus my warning about autoruns in my post above.


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Old October 19th 09, 06:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.


You may believe whatever you want to believe. It's not my experience
at all, and I completely disagree with that statement. XP gets slower
and slower only on the computers of people who do everything with it
wrong.


I had XP Pro and Home dual booting for over 4.5 years, and kept them
humming along (Home was just a back door to Pro). Speed wasn't a
problem, some odd ball stuff was, like the boot.ini file would change
itself from.
WINDOWS="XP Pro E_Drive" /fastdetect /NoExecute=Optin to
WINDOWS="XP Pro E_Drive" /fastdetect=Optout
Never could figure/trace that one down (not malware, or a rootkit)
there's just so many times you can use ERUNT or repair installs.

I finally formatted the two partitions, the restore disks didn't work
for home (too old?), so I dual booted slipstreamed XPSP3's - things
aren't working right any more - and one of the two is slower than it
should be.

I plan on reformatting that Partition, then install XP, SP1, SP2, and
maybe SP3.

Just saying even after 4.5 years of operation (with SP3), I was
operating faster and with fewer problems, than after a clean install.
(and all drivers have been installed).

Note: I reinstalled as my Best Buy network card quit working, and I
thought it was windows Pro. I had the internal one disabled with
autoruns - thus my warning about autoruns in my post above.


--

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http://tinyurl.com/yj8ds74
  #71  
Old October 19th 09, 02:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

Daave wrote:
M wrote:
Daave wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Defragmenting the hard drive, even a heavily fragmented one, will
not improve efficiency.
It makes XP boot faster.
I don't think so. The second thing that has to load is NTFS and it,
in turn, then loads everything it needs for subsequent access.
Everything.
I've timed it numerous times on many machines and it boots faster.
Out of curiosity, how much faster did these machines boot?


That depended on how badly fragmented it was which could mean up to a
minute less boot time.


That's pretty significant!



The machine in question was so badly fragmented that you couldn't see
any blue in the defrag app, just red and it had over 15,000 fragmented
files. Even the defrag recommended defragging it. It took about 25
passes with the XP scrolling bar before it went to the Welcome screen.
After defragmenting, it went down to six passes.

Most machines only see 5 to 10 second improvements.

M
  #72  
Old October 19th 09, 02:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!

Daave wrote:
M wrote:
Daave wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
M wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Defragmenting the hard drive, even a heavily fragmented one, will
not improve efficiency.
It makes XP boot faster.
I don't think so. The second thing that has to load is NTFS and it,
in turn, then loads everything it needs for subsequent access.
Everything.
I've timed it numerous times on many machines and it boots faster.
Out of curiosity, how much faster did these machines boot?


That depended on how badly fragmented it was which could mean up to a
minute less boot time.


That's pretty significant!



The machine in question was so badly fragmented that you couldn't see
any blue in the defrag app, just red and it had over 15,000 fragmented
files. Even the defrag recommended defragging it. It took about 25
passes with the XP scrolling bar before it went to the Welcome screen.
After defragmenting, it went down to six passes.

Most machines only see 5 to 10 second improvements.

M
  #75  
Old October 19th 09, 08:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.os.windows-xp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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relic wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:37:09 -0700, "chrisv"
wrote:

Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get
everything back in shape, ready to be used.

I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the
registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow.

Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy,
that's all.

What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU
with 4GB of RAM ?

So far, two have advised you to Format and start over with a fresh
install. Let me be the third one. All the other crap will just spin
your wheels.




My view is that that's terrible advice. It *might* be the best thing
to do, but certainly not without having any idea of what's causing the
problem.


It's XP. That's what XP does... get slower and slower.


You better use linux. Never had these problems with Debian.

 




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