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What is/are "Groove"?
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned
AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite (launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed comprehensive! Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before - I _think_ only in popup error boxes. So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Veni Vidi Visa [I came, I saw, I did a little shopping] - Mik from S+AS Limited ), 1998 |
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What is/are "Groove"?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite (launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed comprehensive! Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before - I _think_ only in popup error boxes. So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? You're a man it's great to meet. Windows 7 for ever!!! If you'd ever looked into Win10 you wouldn't be asking this question. Ed |
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What is/are "Groove"?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite (launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed comprehensive! Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before - I _think_ only in popup error boxes. So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? Microsoft discontinued Groove about a year ago. It was a flop. Product name changing didn't spur more use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_Music https://www.windowscentral.com/postmortem-groove-music Microsoft sometimes just cannot figure out how to be competitive against other existing services, especially when Microsoft gets late into that market. For example, Microsoft charges to publish an app at their store than Google does at their Play Store. Microsoft requires an annual renewal that costs money. Google charges a one-time fee to publish and that's it. It is much cheaper to publish at Google's Play Store than at Microsoft's store. Microsoft also likes to confuse its users by using similar or same names to different products or services. For example, they had their Outlook product, a PIM, and wanted to associate their Internet Mail and News program as a lite version of Outlook, so they renamed IMN to Outlook Express (despite the filename of msimn.exe did not change). The did the same with Groove. There is their defunct Groove music components and service and there is their Office Groove functionality. https://smallbusiness.chron.com/ms-o...ove-58219.html The Groove component was removed in Office 2010 or maybe 2013. I believe their SharePoint replaced Groove, or Groove got renamed to or evolved into SharePoint. That you have Groove components, and if for the Office suite, then you have an old version of MS Office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micros...oint_Workspace Most users just take the default install-time configuration when they install MS Office rather than perform a custom installation. If you do a custom install, you'll see all the components that are selected by default. It's your choice what to include but for some you'll probably have to some research to find out what the hell they all are for. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove I don't have an old version of MS Office to go into Add/Remove Programs, select MS Office, click Change, and look in the custom select dialog to see where Groove is in the tree list. |
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What is/are "Groove"?
In message , VanguardLH
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? Microsoft discontinued Groove about a year ago. It was a flop. Product name changing didn't spur more use. [] same with Groove. There is their defunct Groove music components and service and there is their Office Groove functionality. I guessed (from the name) that it might be something to do with music, probably selling it ... https://smallbusiness.chron.com/ms-o...ove-58219.html The Groove component was removed in Office 2010 or maybe 2013. I [] .... but I thought that it had something to do with Office as well. Basically - can I remove all trace of it, or at least remove it from all the places "autoruns" shows it starting, or will that break something? (I use Office, but only Word, Excel, and about twice a year PowerPoint [usually when someone sends me something, which usually turns out to be a slideshow] - definitely not OneNote. I do _nothing_ collaborative.) [I tried https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove, but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007 Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your system."] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'. Professor Edzart Ernst, prudential magazine, AUTUMN 2006, p. 13. |
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What is/are "Groove"?
On 10/03/2018 06:06 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite (launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed comprehensive! Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before - I _think_ only in popup error boxes. So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? That's the nice thing about autoruns. Uncheck all the groove checkboxes and wait a week or month. If nothing seems to be effected, then go back a delete them. |
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What is/are "Groove"?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I tried https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove, but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007 Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your system." You sure you have a legit copy of MS Office 2007? From where did you buy this copy of Office 2007? Maybe you got a regional distribution, like for Asia, where the seller didn't give a gnat's fart about selling you the correct distribution for your region. Did you use the MS installer or did you extract from an ISO image? If the software came pre-bundled on a pre-built computer, was the computer sold with a software distribution for your region? When the package's languages don't match on the one configured in Windows, you might end up having to install a language that matches what the package uses. https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...-installation/ https://support.office.com/en-us/art...rs=en-US&ad=US If the FixIt tool doesn't work, try the manual uninstallation noted at: https://support.office.com/en-us/art...e-17696bb3027b Those probably uninstall all of Office 2007, so make sure you have its license key if you later want to do a custom install (so you can elect to NOT include Groove/SharePoint in the installation along with any other components that are superfluous to you). |
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What is/are "Groove"?
In message , VanguardLH
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I tried https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove, but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007 Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your system." You sure you have a legit copy of MS Office 2007? From where did you buy this copy of Office 2007? Maybe you got a regional distribution, like for Asia, where the seller didn't give a gnat's fart about selling you the correct distribution for your region. Did you use the MS installer or did you extract from an ISO image? If the software came pre-bundled on a pre-built computer, was the computer sold with a I think that's where it came from. software distribution for your region? When the package's languages don't match on the one configured in Windows, you might end up having to install a language that matches what the package uses. https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...fix-the-error- the-language-of-this-installation-package-is-not-supported-by-your-syste m-during-office-products-installation/ https://support.office.com/en-us/art...from-a-pc-9dd4 9b83-264a-477a-8fcc-2fdf5dbf61d8?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US If the FixIt tool doesn't work, try the manual uninstallation noted at: https://support.office.com/en-us/art...l-office-4e290 4ea-25c8-4544-99ee-17696bb3027b Those probably uninstall all of Office 2007, so make sure you have its license key if you later want to do a custom install (so you can elect to NOT include Groove/SharePoint in the installation along with any other components that are superfluous to you). They do seem to. Since I don't have the key, I won't - but those manual removal instructions look useful, thanks. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Oh, stick it up your nose." "Yes, which is precisely the sort of thing we need to know, I mean, do people want fire that can be fitted nasally?" (s1, fit six.) |
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In message , Big Al
writes: On 10/03/2018 06:06 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite (launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed comprehensive! Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before - I _think_ only in popup error boxes. So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? That's the nice thing about autoruns. Uncheck all the groove checkboxes and wait a week or month. If nothing seems to be effected, then go back a delete them. Sounds good. Sounds as if it's either some sort of music retailing thing, or a collaborative feature of Office 2007, so I don't think I need it. What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve the details0 but disable things? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf One of my tricks as an armchair futurist is to "predict" things that are already happening and watch people tell me it will never happen. Scott Adams, 2015-3-9 |
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What is/are "Groove"?
On 03 Oct 2018, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in alt.windows7.general: What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve the details0 but disable things? When you disable an item in Autoruns it usually renames a Registry entry. When you re-enable it, it renames the entry to its previous name. |
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What is/are "Groove"?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve the details0 but disable things? When you untick (disable) an item in msconfig, it moves the item to a special registry key just for msconfig. That is, msconfig has its own key under which "disabled" items get moved. Since it is not in its original startup location, it won't get loaded -- until you update the program or change its startup option which reinstates the startup item in the original location in which case you have a copy in msconfig's relocation store and in the original startup location. Some programs will recreate their startup shortcut or registry entry when they are loaded or when they are updated, so you could have an old disabled (moved) item listed in msconfig along with a newly recreated item. When you reenabled (move back) the previous disabled item in msconfig, it moves it back to the original location. If you have 2 entries in msconfig, one disabled and one enabled (because the program or you recreated the program's startup shortcut or registry entry), msconfig will step atop the new created entry by moving the old entry back atop the new entry. Which msconfig relocation store the item gets move to depends on whether it was a per-user or all-user startup item. HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MsConfig HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig There are subkeys for what type of startup item got disabled, er, moved. The startupfolder will have startup programs from your Startup subfolder under your Start Menu. The startupreg subfolder is for startup items moved in the registry. I think a services subfolder appears to move disabled services. The subkeys there contain the info needed to know where to move back the relocated startup item. You can only disable (move) startup items in msconfig. You can disable or delete them in AutoRuns. A similar scheme is used in Autoruns with a twist. When you disable a startup item's shortcut in the Startup folder, AutoRuns creates a hidden subfolder under the Startup folder with the shortcut. Since the location has changed (moving the startup item into a subfolder), Windows won't find the shortcut in the Startup folder. When disabling a startup item in the registry, AutoRuns creates a subkey to hold (move) the "disabled" item. Since msconfig and AutoRuns are using different relocation paths for "disabled" (moved) startup items, it can get confusing when you disabled some startup items in msconfig and other startup items in AutoRuns. Both trick Windows by moving the "disabled" startup items to somewhere else, so Windows won't find them at the original and standard location for startup items. msconfig won't list startup items in other locations, like WinLogon events, per-account startup and logoff scripts, Task Scheduler, and other places. AutoRuns is way more complete. Since msconfig won't disable events in Task Scheduler configured to load on Windows startup or when a user logs in, there's nowhere for me to find a relocation path for those startup items for msconfig. AutoRuns will see Task Scheduler events that load on Windows startup or upon login but I didn't not test where it moves those "disabled" startup items. WinLogon events are defined in the registry so I suspect AutoRuns makes a subkey underneath where it moves the disabled startup item. Tasks defined in Task Scheduler are stored under %WINDIR%\System32\Tasks, so maybe AutoRuns dos the same it does for the Startup folder by creating a subfolder into which a "disabled" scheduled event gets moved. Mike Lin's Startup Control utility was abandoned long ago. That's why Ant here noticed that it doesn't cover all startup locations under a 64-bit version of Windows. Been way too long since I used that tool to remember if it could disable or just delete, and if it disabled then where it recorded the old entries to restore them later. Deleting startup items means their shortcut in a file system folder or their registry entry gets deleted. There is unlikly any Undo optio, especially for registry entries, so make sure you really want to delete a startup item rather than just disable (move) it. I deleted by accident once and it took several days to find out the rather complex command line needed to recreate the startup item. |
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What is/are "Groove"?
In message , VanguardLH
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve the details0 but disable things? [] VanguardLH wrote a very comprehensive reply; thanks. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I reckon in a few years we'll have GoogleBum. You'll type in someone's name and it will show you what their bum looks like. Even if they've never posted a nude picture, it will reconstruct their bum from bits of their face and leg and whatever else they can find. - Charlie Brooker, RT 2014/12/13-19 |
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On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 03:32:00 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote in In message , VanguardLH writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: What's the difference between unticking things in autoruns and deleting them? I can see that if you delete them you've lost the details, but how does autoruns implement an untick: it must somehow retain (to preserve the details0 but disable things? [] VanguardLH wrote a very comprehensive reply; thanks. +1 -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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On 10/3/2018 6:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In the discussion of start-up monitoring utilities, someone mentioned AutoRuns; since I already had it as part of the SysInternals suite (launched via the NirSoft launcher), I tried it; it certainly is indeed comprehensive! Anyway, it showed a lot of things with "Groove" in the name, which are apparently a Microsoft thing. I've occasionally encountered it before - I _think_ only in popup error boxes. So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? It's something like iTunes, I believe. And I don't use it! -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不*錢! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 不求神! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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In message , Mr. Man-wai
Chang writes: [] It's something like iTunes, I believe. And I don't use it! See Vanguard's comprehensive reply a few posts back. It was indeed something like iTunes and other similar music-selling systems; but, in the way Microsoft have (OK, others may do it but MS are masters at it) of using the same name for slightly or even fundamentally (as in this case) different concepts, it was also the name for some aspect of one or more versions of the Office suite - at least the 2007 one, maybe more. I get the impression that if you don't use that feature of Office (I think it's something to do with collaborative work), you don't need it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Radio 4 is one of the reasons being British is good. It's not a subset of Britain - it's almost as if Britain is a subset of Radio 4. - Stephen Fry, in Radio Times, 7-13 June, 2003. |
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What is/are "Groove"?
On 03/10/2018 14:11, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , VanguardLH writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] So what is it? Do I need it (especially running at start-up)? Is it something to do with Office? Microsoft discontinued Groove about a year ago.* It was a flop.* Product name changing didn't spur more use. [] same with Groove.* There is their defunct Groove music components and service and there is their Office Groove functionality. I guessed (from the name) that it might be something to do with music, probably selling it ... https://smallbusiness.chron.com/ms-o...ove-58219.html The Groove component was removed in Office 2010 or maybe 2013.* I [] ... but I thought that it had something to do with Office as well. Basically - can I remove all trace of it, or at least remove it from all the places "autoruns" shows it starting, or will that break something? (I use Office, but only Word, Excel, and about twice a year PowerPoint [usually when someone sends me something, which usually turns out to be a slideshow] - definitely not OneNote. I do _nothing_ collaborative.) [I tried https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...install-groove, but when I got to "In the list of installed programs, select the 2007 Microsoft Office suite that you are running, and then click Change.", I get "The language of this installation package is not supported by your system."] OneDrive for Business (part of Office 2016 Pro Plus and maybe other Office versions too) uses Groove as an internal name and probably uses files with Groove in the name. I got rid of it, and some other parts of Office 2016 Pro Plus that I have no interest in using the Office 2016 Deployment Tool. But it's not simple to use. -- Brian Gregory (in England). |
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