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  #91  
Old August 16th 04, 12:10 PM
Anton Kolomyeytsev
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Default CD writer and DVD/CD rom can't be shared in workgroup

What a nonsense! Using modern GbE network hardware with throughoutput
of 125 MB/sec (OK, 117 MB/sec in single direction in practice) is
capable of handling even 22 MB/sec of 16X DVD burning speed with
absolutely no problem! And all of the devices manufactures during last
2-3 years have buffer underrung hardware preventing them from
producing "coasters" if for some reason data stream would be lost (in
your particular case network utilization would jump unexpected).

Somebody in this group has already mentioned our iSCSI target and
initiator software allowing to share storage devices AS IS (when iSCSI
target does NOT intrude into bypassing SCSI traffic eliminating
hardware virtualization layer all other iSCSI targets usually add),
including tape drives and CD/DVD burners. I've never heard any
complains about buffer underruns caused with network burns for years.

With your approach "stay away from..." I'd recommend you stay aways
from IT yourself. People following your advices would find themself in
the middle of nowhere. I guess (according to your e-mail) this is the
place where you came from

Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message ...


"Ray" wrote in message
...
I configured the CD writer and DVD/CD rom to be shared in workgroup on my
desktop running Windows XP Pro. All the users in workgroup can see the
drives but not allow to access. I have given the write access to

everyone
Can someone advise the possible causes and fixes.

Thanks,

Ray


Sharing a CD/DVD-RW over a network, even with third-party
software, is a bad idea.

you WILL produce coasters, as you CANNOT guarantee
that throughput over the network will be able to keep
up with the write speed of the drive.

it may seem like you can do it, as it's possible that the
network will be lightly loaded and you can keep up, but
the next time you try it may fail...

Think of it this way:

say you're writing stuff to the CD/RW on a networked
machine, all is well.

Then, 8 other users on your network simultaneously access files
on that same machine.

BOOM-network data throughput is suddenly split 9 ways
and you've just made a coaster...





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  #92  
Old August 17th 04, 03:26 AM
V Green
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Default CD writer and DVD/CD rom can't be shared in workgroup


"Anton Kolomyeytsev" wrote in message
om...
What a nonsense! Using modern GbE network hardware with throughoutput
of 125 MB/sec (OK, 117 MB/sec in single direction in practice)


doubt that this user has this kind of network hardware.

most of us don't, we're still on 10/100BT.


is
capable of handling even 22 MB/sec of 16X DVD burning speed with
absolutely no problem! And all of the devices manufactures during last
2-3 years have buffer underrung hardware preventing them from
producing "coasters" if for some reason data stream would be lost (in
your particular case network utilization would jump unexpected).

Somebody in this group has already mentioned our iSCSI target and
initiator software allowing to share storage devices AS IS (when iSCSI
target does NOT intrude into bypassing SCSI traffic eliminating
hardware virtualization layer all other iSCSI targets usually add),
including tape drives and CD/DVD burners. I've never heard any
complains about buffer underruns caused with network burns for years.


Oh, I see why you're so ticked!

You have a software solution FOR SALE.

Excuuuuussee meeee!!!!!!

I think the OP just wants to know WHY he can't
do it with the burning support BUILT-IN to XP.


With your approach "stay away from..." I'd recommend you stay aways
from IT yourself. People following your advices would find themself in
the middle of nowhere. I guess (according to your e-mail) this is the
place where you came from


Whatever. Irrelevant. Goodbye.


Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message

...


"Ray" wrote in message
...
I configured the CD writer and DVD/CD rom to be shared in workgroup

on my
desktop running Windows XP Pro. All the users in workgroup can see

the
drives but not allow to access. I have given the write access to

everyone
Can someone advise the possible causes and fixes.

Thanks,

Ray


Sharing a CD/DVD-RW over a network, even with third-party
software, is a bad idea.

you WILL produce coasters, as you CANNOT guarantee
that throughput over the network will be able to keep
up with the write speed of the drive.

it may seem like you can do it, as it's possible that the
network will be lightly loaded and you can keep up, but
the next time you try it may fail...

Think of it this way:

say you're writing stuff to the CD/RW on a networked
machine, all is well.

Then, 8 other users on your network simultaneously access files
on that same machine.

BOOM-network data throughput is suddenly split 9 ways
and you've just made a coaster...







  #93  
Old August 17th 04, 09:36 AM
Anton Kolomyeytsev
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Default CD writer and DVD/CD rom can't be shared in workgroup

100 megabits are definitely enough for 52X CD burning. Learn math in
elementary school? Can multiply 150 and 52? I'll tell ya big secret,
even for 8X DVD burning it's still enough!

StarWind and StarPort and free for non-commercial use (we make enough
cash from big companies so are not greedy to take your last $20 you
mother gave you so you could buy a cheeseburger for your lunch).

No excuses for you, dude. Get your free lunch and go home. Prepare
your homework

P.S. Only idiots can blame free software with support, right?

Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message ...
"Anton Kolomyeytsev" wrote in message
om...
What a nonsense! Using modern GbE network hardware with throughoutput
of 125 MB/sec (OK, 117 MB/sec in single direction in practice)


doubt that this user has this kind of network hardware.

most of us don't, we're still on 10/100BT.


is
capable of handling even 22 MB/sec of 16X DVD burning speed with
absolutely no problem! And all of the devices manufactures during last
2-3 years have buffer underrung hardware preventing them from
producing "coasters" if for some reason data stream would be lost (in
your particular case network utilization would jump unexpected).

Somebody in this group has already mentioned our iSCSI target and
initiator software allowing to share storage devices AS IS (when iSCSI
target does NOT intrude into bypassing SCSI traffic eliminating
hardware virtualization layer all other iSCSI targets usually add),
including tape drives and CD/DVD burners. I've never heard any
complains about buffer underruns caused with network burns for years.


Oh, I see why you're so ticked!

You have a software solution FOR SALE.

Excuuuuussee meeee!!!!!!

I think the OP just wants to know WHY he can't
do it with the burning support BUILT-IN to XP.


With your approach "stay away from..." I'd recommend you stay aways
from IT yourself. People following your advices would find themself in
the middle of nowhere. I guess (according to your e-mail) this is the
place where you came from


Whatever. Irrelevant. Goodbye.


Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message

...


"Ray" wrote in message
...
I configured the CD writer and DVD/CD rom to be shared in workgroup

on my
desktop running Windows XP Pro. All the users in workgroup can see

the
drives but not allow to access. I have given the write access to

everyone
Can someone advise the possible causes and fixes.

Thanks,

Ray

Sharing a CD/DVD-RW over a network, even with third-party
software, is a bad idea.

you WILL produce coasters, as you CANNOT guarantee
that throughput over the network will be able to keep
up with the write speed of the drive.

it may seem like you can do it, as it's possible that the
network will be lightly loaded and you can keep up, but
the next time you try it may fail...

Think of it this way:

say you're writing stuff to the CD/RW on a networked
machine, all is well.

Then, 8 other users on your network simultaneously access files
on that same machine.

BOOM-network data throughput is suddenly split 9 ways
and you've just made a coaster...





  #94  
Old August 25th 04, 10:46 PM
Mike Matheny
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Default CD writer and DVD/CD rom can't be shared in workgroup

Thanx, Anton, for backing me up. You never know until you try it, and again,
what a superb product you put out! Thanx for not milking us little people!

--
Mike Matheny

"Anton Kolomyeytsev" wrote in message
om...
100 megabits are definitely enough for 52X CD burning. Learn math in
elementary school? Can multiply 150 and 52? I'll tell ya big secret,
even for 8X DVD burning it's still enough!

StarWind and StarPort and free for non-commercial use (we make enough
cash from big companies so are not greedy to take your last $20 you
mother gave you so you could buy a cheeseburger for your lunch).

No excuses for you, dude. Get your free lunch and go home. Prepare
your homework

P.S. Only idiots can blame free software with support, right?

Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message

...
"Anton Kolomyeytsev" wrote in message
om...
What a nonsense! Using modern GbE network hardware with throughoutput
of 125 MB/sec (OK, 117 MB/sec in single direction in practice)


doubt that this user has this kind of network hardware.

most of us don't, we're still on 10/100BT.


is
capable of handling even 22 MB/sec of 16X DVD burning speed with
absolutely no problem! And all of the devices manufactures during last
2-3 years have buffer underrung hardware preventing them from
producing "coasters" if for some reason data stream would be lost (in
your particular case network utilization would jump unexpected).

Somebody in this group has already mentioned our iSCSI target and
initiator software allowing to share storage devices AS IS (when iSCSI
target does NOT intrude into bypassing SCSI traffic eliminating
hardware virtualization layer all other iSCSI targets usually add),
including tape drives and CD/DVD burners. I've never heard any
complains about buffer underruns caused with network burns for years.


Oh, I see why you're so ticked!

You have a software solution FOR SALE.

Excuuuuussee meeee!!!!!!

I think the OP just wants to know WHY he can't
do it with the burning support BUILT-IN to XP.


With your approach "stay away from..." I'd recommend you stay aways
from IT yourself. People following your advices would find themself in
the middle of nowhere. I guess (according to your e-mail) this is the
place where you came from


Whatever. Irrelevant. Goodbye.


Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message

...


"Ray" wrote in message
...
I configured the CD writer and DVD/CD rom to be shared in

workgroup
on my
desktop running Windows XP Pro. All the users in workgroup can

see
the
drives but not allow to access. I have given the write access

to
everyone
Can someone advise the possible causes and fixes.

Thanks,

Ray

Sharing a CD/DVD-RW over a network, even with third-party
software, is a bad idea.

you WILL produce coasters, as you CANNOT guarantee
that throughput over the network will be able to keep
up with the write speed of the drive.

it may seem like you can do it, as it's possible that the
network will be lightly loaded and you can keep up, but
the next time you try it may fail...

Think of it this way:

say you're writing stuff to the CD/RW on a networked
machine, all is well.

Then, 8 other users on your network simultaneously access files
on that same machine.

BOOM-network data throughput is suddenly split 9 ways
and you've just made a coaster...







  #95  
Old August 26th 04, 09:56 AM
Anton Kolomyeytsev
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Default CD writer and DVD/CD rom can't be shared in workgroup

Mike,

thank you very much for your warm words! They are always in need in
our business (people usually contact developers when they have
problems and not just to say "hi! I like what you do!"). Wish you good
luck with iSCSI and network burning. And you're always welcomed to say
what you do in our support forums

Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"Mike Matheny" mikematheny@swbelldotnet wrote in message ...
Thanx, Anton, for backing me up. You never know until you try it, and again,
what a superb product you put out! Thanx for not milking us little people!

--
Mike Matheny

"Anton Kolomyeytsev" wrote in message
om...
100 megabits are definitely enough for 52X CD burning. Learn math in
elementary school? Can multiply 150 and 52? I'll tell ya big secret,
even for 8X DVD burning it's still enough!

StarWind and StarPort and free for non-commercial use (we make enough
cash from big companies so are not greedy to take your last $20 you
mother gave you so you could buy a cheeseburger for your lunch).

No excuses for you, dude. Get your free lunch and go home. Prepare
your homework

P.S. Only idiots can blame free software with support, right?

Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message

...
"Anton Kolomyeytsev" wrote in message
om...
What a nonsense! Using modern GbE network hardware with throughoutput
of 125 MB/sec (OK, 117 MB/sec in single direction in practice)

doubt that this user has this kind of network hardware.

most of us don't, we're still on 10/100BT.


is
capable of handling even 22 MB/sec of 16X DVD burning speed with
absolutely no problem! And all of the devices manufactures during last
2-3 years have buffer underrung hardware preventing them from
producing "coasters" if for some reason data stream would be lost (in
your particular case network utilization would jump unexpected).

Somebody in this group has already mentioned our iSCSI target and
initiator software allowing to share storage devices AS IS (when iSCSI
target does NOT intrude into bypassing SCSI traffic eliminating
hardware virtualization layer all other iSCSI targets usually add),
including tape drives and CD/DVD burners. I've never heard any
complains about buffer underruns caused with network burns for years.

Oh, I see why you're so ticked!

You have a software solution FOR SALE.

Excuuuuussee meeee!!!!!!

I think the OP just wants to know WHY he can't
do it with the burning support BUILT-IN to XP.


With your approach "stay away from..." I'd recommend you stay aways
from IT yourself. People following your advices would find themself in
the middle of nowhere. I guess (according to your e-mail) this is the
place where you came from

Whatever. Irrelevant. Goodbye.


Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software

"V Green" wrote in message

...


"Ray" wrote in message
...
I configured the CD writer and DVD/CD rom to be shared in

workgroup
on my
desktop running Windows XP Pro. All the users in workgroup can

see
the
drives but not allow to access. I have given the write access

to
everyone
Can someone advise the possible causes and fixes.

Thanks,

Ray

Sharing a CD/DVD-RW over a network, even with third-party
software, is a bad idea.

you WILL produce coasters, as you CANNOT guarantee
that throughput over the network will be able to keep
up with the write speed of the drive.

it may seem like you can do it, as it's possible that the
network will be lightly loaded and you can keep up, but
the next time you try it may fail...

Think of it this way:

say you're writing stuff to the CD/RW on a networked
machine, all is well.

Then, 8 other users on your network simultaneously access files
on that same machine.

BOOM-network data throughput is suddenly split 9 ways
and you've just made a coaster...





  #96  
Old August 28th 04, 05:28 AM
V Green
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Default CD writer and DVD/CD rom can't be shared in workgroup



StarWind and StarPort and free for non-commercial use (we make enough
cash from big companies so are not greedy to take your last $20 you
mother gave you so you could buy a cheeseburger for your lunch).

No excuses for you, dude. Get your free lunch and go home. Prepare
your homework

P.S. Only idiots can blame free software with support, right?


Yep. And I'm definitely that, in this case.

Now, you will witness something that rarely happens in newsgroup
postings when somebody is totally and unequivocally proven to be
wrong-

A complete apology to both Anton and Mike and/or anyone else who
had the misfortune to pay any attention to my uninformed posts.

And, Anton, my surprised congratulations on making your product
available free of charge for those of us who are individual users.

In keeping with my demonstrated ignorance, I did not check
your posted to link to the product.

I have learned about a valuable product, albeit the
hard way.


Regards,
Anton Kolomyeytsev

CEO, Rocket Division Software



 




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