Windows 8.1 Network Password Issues

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

Thanks a lot!

Snuffy

On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

I had a similar problem between two windows 7 machines and in the end I
just tried it with a blank password, just the user name, and it
connected.

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"Ken1943" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 10:51:04 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

I had a similar problem between two windows 7 machines and in the end I
just tried it with a blank password, just the user name, and it
connected.

In Control Panel Network and Sharing Advanced Sharing Settings, you
can tell it not to use passwords.
In passed postings, this has been kicked around many times.


KenW

Thanks, Ken and Rodney. Will try that this weekend with I can spend ALL ******* day unscrewing the lousy POS.

I have avoided Macs and Linux for years, thinking MS will get it right sooner or later, but I see that they are going to keep taking a good thing and screwing up.

Honestly, MS had the market sown up. I'm expecting some Chinese company to come up with something simpler to use and kick MS down a few notches.

Thanks again -- I'm not into learning new things any more - just want something to be fairly simple to use without starting from scratch again.

"Ken1943" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 10:51:04 +0000 (GMT), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

I had a similar problem between two windows 7 machines and in the end I
just tried it with a blank password, just the user name, and it
connected.

In Control Panel Network and Sharing Advanced Sharing Settings, you
can tell it not to use passwords.
In passed postings, this has been kicked around many times.


KenW

I forgot to mention --- the fabulous new HP laptop is now freezing up and I have to force power off now frequently. Also, Farmville and McAfee popups are back again, reminding me how stupid I am for not using them.

"Ken1943" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

Thanks a lot!

Snuffy

You may have wound up using a Homegroup. You have to use a Workgroup.

Go to Control Panel System and check it. If you change to a Workgroup,
make sure the computers are removed from the Homegroup.

Win 7 & 8 can use a Homegroup, but when you add XP and I guess 2000, you
have to use a Workgroup and tell it which folders to share (Advanced
Sharing when you right click on a folder) and add "everyone" as a user no
quotes and check the correct boxes. There are also settings in Security
for the folder.

You will see when you get there.


KenW

Thanks, I gave up on trying to get file sharing back. When I need to transfer a file, I upload it to internet with FTP, then download.

It was working fine when first set connected to network - all computers sending/receiving files to any fine. Then something happened - no idea what. Now all computers are fine except can't send or receive files to/from 8.2

Windows 8 is great for watching videos online and other entertainment. I haven't seen any real improvements to any Windows version as far as basic computer usability since Win 2000.

"Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney" wrote in message ...
"Ken1943" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

Thanks a lot!

Snuffy

You may have wound up using a Homegroup. You have to use a Workgroup.

Go to Control Panel System and check it. If you change to a Workgroup,
make sure the computers are removed from the Homegroup.

Win 7 & 8 can use a Homegroup, but when you add XP and I guess 2000, you
have to use a Workgroup and tell it which folders to share (Advanced
Sharing when you right click on a folder) and add "everyone" as a user no
quotes and check the correct boxes. There are also settings in Security
for the folder.

You will see when you get there.


KenW

- Thanks, I gave up on trying to get file sharing back. When I need to transfer a file, I upload it to internet with FTP, then download.

To clarify -- my FTP program is another thing that doesn't work on 8.2. I upload the file (example.pdf to www.website.com/example.pdf) and then go to that URL from 8.2.

I'm sure 8.2 has some kind of improvements but I haven't found any that work any better than 2000. Big mistake getting this new laptop with 8.2.

Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
"Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney" wrote in message ...
"Ken1943" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

Thanks a lot!

Snuffy
You may have wound up using a Homegroup. You have to use a Workgroup.

Go to Control Panel System and check it. If you change to a Workgroup,
make sure the computers are removed from the Homegroup.

Win 7 & 8 can use a Homegroup, but when you add XP and I guess 2000, you
have to use a Workgroup and tell it which folders to share (Advanced
Sharing when you right click on a folder) and add "everyone" as a user no
quotes and check the correct boxes. There are also settings in Security
for the folder.

You will see when you get there.


KenW

- Thanks, I gave up on trying to get file sharing back. When I need to transfer a file, I upload it to internet with FTP, then download.

To clarify -- my FTP program is another thing that doesn't work on 8.2. I upload the file (example.pdf to www.website.com/example.pdf) and then go to that URL from 8.2.

I'm sure 8.2 has some kind of improvements but I haven't found any that work any better than 2000. Big mistake getting this new laptop with 8.2.

Workgroup method is the way to go, if mixing Win8.1 and WinXP.
Both machines have workgroup=WORKGROUP, and that's the default
for Win8.1.

I've seen a casual mention that both homegroup and workgroup
could work at the same time, but I've not bothered to try that
here. The first step would be finding a recipe for it.

I just use the workgroup method - make sure all machines
claim to belong to the same workgroup, use the same account
name on each machine (so "Paul" on the WinXP machine and
"Paul" on the Win8.1 machine). Sometimes there is a bit
of cursing and swearing involved, multiple trips to some
"Sharing" tab. So not every attempt to use Workgroup,
gives immediate satisfaction. But sooner or later
you can beat the thing into submission. I seem to remember
on the Win8.1 machine, I had to go to some other page
to change some permission, to get something working.
Maybe it was the fact that the shared disk had been in
some other machine (different SID), and it really needed
to be hit with Takeown, to tame it.

I think I've succeeded in tying everything together with
sharing here. I find that the WinXP machine sharing a disk
with the Win8.1, is easier to arrange than the vice-versa
case. More cussing is involved, if the Win8.1 disk needs
to be shared with everyone else. Not every default
setting on Win8.1 is the right one.

That's better than my first Win7 experience, where
no sharing would work for the first fifteen minutes
or so, and then all of a sudden, network detection
started working. My initial experience with the Win7
laptop was very flaky.

And one other bug I've still got, is some sort of
throttling on the WinXP shared disk. One direction
runs 80MB/sec, the other direction runs 20MB/sec.
And the "smooth" transfer curve for the 20MB/sec
test case, suggests either interrupt rate limiting,
event rate limiting of some sort. The
machine in question runs virtual machines, and so
it's possible a virtual machine network driver
is upsetting sharing speed. I've not been able to
find any setting that raises the 20MB/sec limit.
Very annoying! And the NICs on the two machines
are good ones. One machine is Marvell GbE, the
other is Intel GbE. And in other situations, they
work as expected.

Paul

On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:54:24 -0400, Paul wrote:

make sure all machines
claim to belong to the same workgroup, use the same account
name on each machine (so "Paul" on the WinXP machine and
"Paul" on the Win8.1 machine)

Not so much *use* the same account but *have* the same account.

You could, for example, create an account with a name like "Network
Assist" on each machine in the workgroup.

I give my extra account the same password on each machine because I've
read that it's necessary to do that, and I also make that extra account
a Standard account, not an Administrator account, on each machine, for a
touch of security.

Well, I *have* done it that way in the past. Lately I've taken to
duplicating a real account name on each machine, i.e. an account that is
the actual user account on one machine, where it's an Admin level
account. On the others it has the same password and is a Standard user.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
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"Ken1943" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

Thanks a lot!

Snuffy
You may have wound up using a Homegroup. You have to use a Workgroup.

Go to Control Panel System and check it. If you change to a Workgroup,
make sure the computers are removed from the Homegroup.

Win 7 & 8 can use a Homegroup, but when you add XP and I guess 2000, you
have to use a Workgroup and tell it which folders to share (Advanced
Sharing when you right click on a folder) and add "everyone" as a user no
quotes and check the correct boxes. There are also settings in Security
for the folder.

You will see when you get there.


KenW

- Thanks, I gave up on trying to get file sharing back. When I need to transfer a file, I upload it to internet with FTP, then download.

To clarify -- my FTP program is another thing that doesn't work on 8.2. I upload the file (example.pdf to www.website.com/example.pdf) and then go to that URL from 8.2.

I'm sure 8.2 has some kind of improvements but I haven't found any that work any better than 2000. Big mistake getting this new laptop with 8.2.

Workgroup method is the way to go, if mixing Win8.1 and WinXP.
Both machines have workgroup=WORKGROUP, and that's the default
for Win8.1.

I've seen a casual mention that both homegroup and workgroup
could work at the same time, but I've not bothered to try that
here. The first step would be finding a recipe for it.

I just use the workgroup method - make sure all machines
claim to belong to the same workgroup, use the same account
name on each machine (so "Paul" on the WinXP machine and
"Paul" on the Win8.1 machine). Sometimes there is a bit
of cursing and swearing involved, multiple trips to some
"Sharing" tab. So not every attempt to use Workgroup,
gives immediate satisfaction. But sooner or later
you can beat the thing into submission. I seem to remember
on the Win8.1 machine, I had to go to some other page
to change some permission, to get something working.
Maybe it was the fact that the shared disk had been in
some other machine (different SID), and it really needed
to be hit with Takeown, to tame it.

I think I've succeeded in tying everything together with
sharing here. I find that the WinXP machine sharing a disk
with the Win8.1, is easier to arrange than the vice-versa
case. More cussing is involved, if the Win8.1 disk needs
to be shared with everyone else. Not every default
setting on Win8.1 is the right one.

That's better than my first Win7 experience, where
no sharing would work for the first fifteen minutes
or so, and then all of a sudden, network detection
started working. My initial experience with the Win7
laptop was very flaky.

And one other bug I've still got, is some sort of
throttling on the WinXP shared disk. One direction
runs 80MB/sec, the other direction runs 20MB/sec.
And the "smooth" transfer curve for the 20MB/sec
test case, suggests either interrupt rate limiting,
event rate limiting of some sort. The
machine in question runs virtual machines, and so
it's possible a virtual machine network driver
is upsetting sharing speed. I've not been able to
find any setting that raises the 20MB/sec limit.
Very annoying! And the NICs on the two machines
are good ones. One machine is Marvell GbE, the
other is Intel GbE. And in other situations, they
work as expected.

Paul

Thanks. All are using "workgroup" with the same name. Still can't connect the 8.2.

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ...
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:54:24 -0400, Paul wrote:

make sure all machines
claim to belong to the same workgroup, use the same account
name on each machine (so "Paul" on the WinXP machine and
"Paul" on the Win8.1 machine)

Not so much *use* the same account but *have* the same account.

You could, for example, create an account with a name like "Network
Assist" on each machine in the workgroup.

I give my extra account the same password on each machine because I've
read that it's necessary to do that, and I also make that extra account
a Standard account, not an Administrator account, on each machine, for a
touch of security.

Well, I *have* done it that way in the past. Lately I've taken to
duplicating a real account name on each machine, i.e. an account that is
the actual user account on one machine, where it's an Admin level
account. On the others it has the same password and is a Standard user.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Thanks. But what a bunch crap having to do all this. All are "Microsoft" products. Win 8.2 is supposed to be an "improvement" over past OS's. Best I can tell, each "revision" has essentially the same features, but changes the operator interface so much, and in a way that requires more keystrokes, that it seems to me Windows is going backwards. With nearly all other non-Microsoft products, each new version is easier to use than the last.

If they keep screwing around with each "up"grade, ten years from now, Microsoft will be in the dustbin.

When PC's first came out, "big business" waited until "IBM" developed a desktop to pick a standard. With IBM essentially out of the PC business, Microsoft screwing up every upgrade and Steve Jobs gone, I'm hoping Apple will take another look at the business market. If not, some Chinese company will come up with a new OS and wipe them both off the map.

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"Ken1943" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

Thanks a lot!

Snuffy
You may have wound up using a Homegroup. You have to use a Workgroup.

Go to Control Panel System and check it. If you change to a Workgroup,
make sure the computers are removed from the Homegroup.

Win 7 & 8 can use a Homegroup, but when you add XP and I guess 2000, you
have to use a Workgroup and tell it which folders to share (Advanced
Sharing when you right click on a folder) and add "everyone" as a user no
quotes and check the correct boxes. There are also settings in Security
for the folder.

You will see when you get there.


KenW
- Thanks, I gave up on trying to get file sharing back. When I need to transfer a file, I upload it to internet with FTP, then download.

To clarify -- my FTP program is another thing that doesn't work on 8.2. I upload the file (example.pdf to www.website.com/example.pdf) and then go to that URL from 8.2.

I'm sure 8.2 has some kind of improvements but I haven't found any that work any better than 2000. Big mistake getting this new laptop with 8.2.
Workgroup method is the way to go, if mixing Win8.1 and WinXP.
Both machines have workgroup=WORKGROUP, and that's the default
for Win8.1.

I've seen a casual mention that both homegroup and workgroup
could work at the same time, but I've not bothered to try that
here. The first step would be finding a recipe for it.

I just use the workgroup method - make sure all machines
claim to belong to the same workgroup, use the same account
name on each machine (so "Paul" on the WinXP machine and
"Paul" on the Win8.1 machine). Sometimes there is a bit
of cursing and swearing involved, multiple trips to some
"Sharing" tab. So not every attempt to use Workgroup,
gives immediate satisfaction. But sooner or later
you can beat the thing into submission. I seem to remember
on the Win8.1 machine, I had to go to some other page
to change some permission, to get something working.
Maybe it was the fact that the shared disk had been in
some other machine (different SID), and it really needed
to be hit with Takeown, to tame it.

I think I've succeeded in tying everything together with
sharing here. I find that the WinXP machine sharing a disk
with the Win8.1, is easier to arrange than the vice-versa
case. More cussing is involved, if the Win8.1 disk needs
to be shared with everyone else. Not every default
setting on Win8.1 is the right one.

That's better than my first Win7 experience, where
no sharing would work for the first fifteen minutes
or so, and then all of a sudden, network detection
started working. My initial experience with the Win7
laptop was very flaky.

And one other bug I've still got, is some sort of
throttling on the WinXP shared disk. One direction
runs 80MB/sec, the other direction runs 20MB/sec.
And the "smooth" transfer curve for the 20MB/sec
test case, suggests either interrupt rate limiting,
event rate limiting of some sort. The
machine in question runs virtual machines, and so
it's possible a virtual machine network driver
is upsetting sharing speed. I've not been able to
find any setting that raises the 20MB/sec limit.
Very annoying! And the NICs on the two machines
are good ones. One machine is Marvell GbE, the
other is Intel GbE. And in other situations, they
work as expected.

Paul

Thanks. All are using "workgroup" with the same name. Still can't connect the 8.2.


The first step, is making sure that some sort of
network discovery is working.

In a lot of cases, the oldest standard (NETBIOS?) might
be the one that allows the mixed OSes to see one another.
There are some remote rendevous protocols, that are
good for spotting "multimedia servers" or "DLNA devices"
that have tick boxes. But those may not be helping
to get file sharing working.

So your starting point, is getting the various computers
to be detected, and listed as having file shares on them.
If you're not getting that far, see if File and Printer Sharing
is turned on.

You want the one with the arrow here, turned on.

http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...8-a-public.jpg

The one above it, network discovery, could be SSDP protocol.
That might get used, if one computer seeks to stream
movies served by Windows Media Player on another computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_...overy_Protocol

And Microsoft sure has a knack for making annoying
interfaces.

Paul

Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:

Thanks. All are using "workgroup" with the same name. Still can't connect the 8.2.


Just an FYI....8.2 doesn't exist.

In MSFT Speak - there's 8.1, 8.1 Update and August Update

The media and other reporting or blogging sites have coined different
terms to create separation and better reader understanding though the
MSFT terminology is the only official naming.



--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

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On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:21:29 -0700, "Snuffy \"Hub Cap\" McKinney"
wrote:

New HP laptop with 8.1. 2 questions, folks. Any help would be appreciated!

1. I connected it to a Netgear router with two Win 2000 computers, and was able to access both 2000's from the 8.1. Win 2000's can access each other, but can't access the 8.1. That's OK - as long as I can access them from 8.1 not a big deal.

2. But now, a few weeks after I've had it, something changed. The 8.1 is now asking for passwords to access either of the two 2000's. I didn't set passwords for network or sharing access. Nothing has changed with the 2000's - they still access each other, no sharing parameters have been changed.

Any idea how to restore access to the 2000's from the 8.1 again. I prefer to have no passwords, but if I have to password something, that's OK. As long as I can access the network again.

Thanks a lot!

Snuffy
You may have wound up using a Homegroup. You have to use a Workgroup.

Go to Control Panel System and check it. If you change to a Workgroup,
make sure the computers are removed from the Homegroup.

Win 7 & 8 can use a Homegroup, but when you add XP and I guess 2000, you
have to use a Workgroup and tell it which folders to share (Advanced
Sharing when you right click on a folder) and add "everyone" as a user no
quotes and check the correct boxes. There are also settings in Security
for the folder.

You will see when you get there.


KenW
- Thanks, I gave up on trying to get file sharing back. When I need to transfer a file, I upload it to internet with FTP, then download.

To clarify -- my FTP program is another thing that doesn't work on 8.2. I upload the file (example.pdf to www.website.com/example.pdf) and then go to that URL from 8.2.

I'm sure 8.2 has some kind of improvements but I haven't found any that work any better than 2000. Big mistake getting this new laptop with 8.2.
Workgroup method is the way to go, if mixing Win8.1 and WinXP.
Both machines have workgroup=WORKGROUP, and that's the default
for Win8.1.

I've seen a casual mention that both homegroup and workgroup
could work at the same time, but I've not bothered to try that
here. The first step would be finding a recipe for it.

I just use the workgroup method - make sure all machines
claim to belong to the same workgroup, use the same account
name on each machine (so "Paul" on the WinXP machine and
"Paul" on the Win8.1 machine). Sometimes there is a bit
of cursing and swearing involved, multiple trips to some
"Sharing" tab. So not every attempt to use Workgroup,
gives immediate satisfaction. But sooner or later
you can beat the thing into submission. I seem to remember
on the Win8.1 machine, I had to go to some other page
to change some permission, to get something working.
Maybe it was the fact that the shared disk had been in
some other machine (different SID), and it really needed
to be hit with Takeown, to tame it.

I think I've succeeded in tying everything together with
sharing here. I find that the WinXP machine sharing a disk
with the Win8.1, is easier to arrange than the vice-versa
case. More cussing is involved, if the Win8.1 disk needs
to be shared with everyone else. Not every default
setting on Win8.1 is the right one.

That's better than my first Win7 experience, where
no sharing would work for the first fifteen minutes
or so, and then all of a sudden, network detection
started working. My initial experience with the Win7
laptop was very flaky.

And one other bug I've still got, is some sort of
throttling on the WinXP shared disk. One direction
runs 80MB/sec, the other direction runs 20MB/sec.
And the "smooth" transfer curve for the 20MB/sec
test case, suggests either interrupt rate limiting,
event rate limiting of some sort. The
machine in question runs virtual machines, and so
it's possible a virtual machine network driver
is upsetting sharing speed. I've not been able to
find any setting that raises the 20MB/sec limit.
Very annoying! And the NICs on the two machines
are good ones. One machine is Marvell GbE, the
other is Intel GbE. And in other situations, they
work as expected.

Paul

Thanks. All are using "workgroup" with the same name. Still can't connect the 8.2.


The first step, is making sure that some sort of
network discovery is working.

In a lot of cases, the oldest standard (NETBIOS?) might
be the one that allows the mixed OSes to see one another.
There are some remote rendevous protocols, that are
good for spotting "multimedia servers" or "DLNA devices"
that have tick boxes. But those may not be helping
to get file sharing working.

So your starting point, is getting the various computers
to be detected, and listed as having file shares on them.
If you're not getting that far, see if File and Printer Sharing
is turned on.

You want the one with the arrow here, turned on.

http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...8-a-public.jpg

The one above it, network discovery, could be SSDP protocol.
That might get used, if one computer seeks to stream
movies served by Windows Media Player on another computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_...overy_Protocol

And Microsoft sure has a knack for making annoying
interfaces.

Paul

Thanks Paul. Good info but still too much for me to deal with. I found a workaround that is fool proof for now -- upload/download using internet. I'll use the 8.2 for watching videos and stick to the old systems when I need to do real work.

"...winston‫" wrote in message ...
Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:

Thanks. All are using "workgroup" with the same name. Still can't connect the 8.2.


Just an FYI....8.2 doesn't exist.

In MSFT Speak - there's 8.1, 8.1 Update and August Update

The media and other reporting or blogging sites have coined different
terms to create separation and better reader understanding though the
MSFT terminology is the only official naming.

The media is a big part of the problem with these "upgrades." Instead of groveling to get the ad dollars, they should be reporting how bad these upgrades really are.

Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:
"...winston‫" wrote in message ...
Snuffy "Hub Cap" McKinney wrote:

Thanks. All are using "workgroup" with the same name. Still can't connect the 8.2.


Just an FYI....8.2 doesn't exist.

In MSFT Speak - there's 8.1, 8.1 Update and August Update

The media and other reporting or blogging sites have coined different
terms to create separation and better reader understanding though the
MSFT terminology is the only official naming.

The media is a big part of the problem with these "upgrades." Instead of groveling to get the ad dollars, they should be reporting how bad these upgrades really are.


There's plenty of that reporting...in fact probably more so than 'better
than sliced bread' opinions.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps