No optical drives?

Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:

*Windows 2003 Server*. Windows 10 did not exist... But Linux at the time
did have live session installers for some time.

Isn't Windows 2003 server the SKU with bad driver support ?

One of the OSes, like on NICs, the entry for that would
be suspiciously missing.


May have been, it was what they were running at the time. Been running
Linux a few months later and since then bliss.

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On 8/14/2020 7:26 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 14/08/2020 23.57, Bill wrote:
Ant wrote:

And can be archived easily.



There are plenty of examples where people can't retrieve the
archives because of outdated technology: Think paper tape, cassette
drives (big and small), 5 1/4" floppy drives, 3.5" floppy drives, more??
And that doesn't bring up software programs, editors, ...

Quite true.

Ask the NASA.


But this isn't the first time it happens in history. The Egyptians wrote
on papyrus, which degraded with time, and the texts had to be copied to
new papyrus.

And then the Alexandria library burnt and all was lost, there were no
backups.


If there were no backups, it must have been before thumb drives were
invented.


--
Ken

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/08/2020 21.59, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/08/2020 16.14, Paul wrote:
You'd be lucky to find BluRay media for home, let alone

I get them from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/Verbatim-43811-Blu-ray-v%C3%ADrgenes-unidades/dp/B00DHS99PY

How are BRDs compared to CDs and DVDs?

Bigger capacity :-D

That's all. Bigger capacity, thus it takes longer to write. But, some
are "archival quality", so they should last longer. Visually, they seem
the same thing.

What about compatbility? I always had problems with burned DVDs not readable in
some drives. CDs were better, but had smaller storage sizes.
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On 15/08/2020 21.08, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/08/2020 21.59, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/08/2020 16.14, Paul wrote:
You'd be lucky to find BluRay media for home, let alone

I get them from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/Verbatim-43811-Blu-ray-v%C3%ADrgenes-unidades/dp/B00DHS99PY

How are BRDs compared to CDs and DVDs?

Bigger capacity :-D

That's all. Bigger capacity, thus it takes longer to write. But, some
are "archival quality", so they should last longer. Visually, they seem
the same thing.

What about compatbility? I always had problems with burned DVDs not readable in
some drives. CDs were better, but had smaller storage sizes.

No idea. I didn't have a chance to try my burned BR on other machines.

On the other hand, I never had a problem with my burned DVDs, either.


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Cheers, Carlos.

Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/08/2020 21.59, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/08/2020 16.14, Paul wrote:
You'd be lucky to find BluRay media for home, let alone
I get them from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.es/Verbatim-43811-Blu-ray-v%C3%ADrgenes-unidades/dp/B00DHS99PY
How are BRDs compared to CDs and DVDs?

Bigger capacity :-D

That's all. Bigger capacity, thus it takes longer to write. But, some
are "archival quality", so they should last longer. Visually, they seem
the same thing.

What about compatbility? I always had problems with burned DVDs not readable in
some drives. CDs were better, but had smaller storage sizes.

You're going to need to buy two drives, if
you expect to recover data later after a
hardware failure.

So as far as the intended purpose goes, the
project is already a bit expensive.

With your two BR drives, one should be a
cold standby. You test that the standby drive
can burn media OK, then put it back in the box
for when the other one fails. Don't leave
both drives with power sitting on them for
100,000 hours. The intention is not two drives
in warm standby, it's one operational drive
and one drive protected from all manner of
accidents.

I've got enough DVD drives here, that reading
a DVD is not a concern. And if I need an STB to
test, I have one of those I received as a gift too.

With your two drives, you can burn on one, and
rip or verify on the other, and get a comparison
that way. Since 20 years from now, you can only
rely on your own resourcefulness, it's just your
drive and doing reads, that matters.

The public library doesn't have any BR drives in
the library machines. They do have DVD writers.
It's an inertia thing. Without customers yammering
for BR, there's no reason to equip the machines with
an expensive toy. Because DVD drives only cost $20,
that's why the machines have them. When the formfactor
of the computer next changes, the library will go SFF
and that'll be the end of optical media entirely.

The library here doesn't keep old computers.
None of their Pentium 3 machines would be around.
I was surprised to see they had Core2 machines.
Core2 machines with DVD drives. That's how I brought
some materials to be printed to the library, on
a DVD :-) Can't trust them to have working USB2 ports.
When you go to the library, remember that malware
on a library machine, could put malware on your
USB stick, so think carefully about hygiene.

Paul

Ken Blake wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

But this isn't the first time it happens in history. The Egyptians wrote
on papyrus, which degraded with time, and the texts had to be copied to
new papyrus.

And then the Alexandria library burnt and all was lost, there were no
backups.

If there were no backups, it must have been before thumb drives were
invented.

Just in case you weren't making a joke ...

You never heard of the Library of Alexandria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

Even if they magically transported thumb drives back to themselves,
there would've been no computers into which to plug them. "Drives" back
then were wheeled conveyances pulled by horse.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 15/08/2020 21.08, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/08/2020 21.59, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/08/2020 16.14, Paul wrote:
You'd be lucky to find BluRay media for home, let alone

I get them from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/Verbatim-43811-Blu-ray-v%C3%ADrgenes-unidades/dp/B00DHS99PY


How are BRDs compared to CDs and DVDs?

Bigger capacity :-D

That's all. Bigger capacity, thus it takes longer to write. But, some
are "archival quality", so they should last longer. Visually, they seem
the same thing.

What about compatbility? I always had problems with burned DVDs not
readable in
some drives. CDs were better, but had smaller storage sizes.

No idea. I didn't have a chance to try my burned BR on other machines.

On the other hand, I never had a problem with my burned DVDs, either.



Years from now, people will think Adobe Acrobat was a circus performer,
and they won't have a copy either... they will have (fill in the blank)!

On 16/08/2020 08.56, Bill wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 15/08/2020 21.08, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/08/2020 21.59, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/08/2020 16.14, Paul wrote:
You'd be lucky to find BluRay media for home, let alone

I get them from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/Verbatim-43811-Blu-ray-v%C3%ADrgenes-unidades/dp/B00DHS99PY


How are BRDs compared to CDs and DVDs?

Bigger capacity :-D

That's all. Bigger capacity, thus it takes longer to write. But, some
are "archival quality", so they should last longer. Visually, they seem
the same thing.

What about compatbility? I always had problems with burned DVDs not
readable in
some drives. CDs were better, but had smaller storage sizes.

No idea. I didn't have a chance to try my burned BR on other machines.

On the other hand, I never had a problem with my burned DVDs, either.



Years from now, people will think Adobe Acrobat was a circus performer,
and they won't have a copy either... they will have (fill in the blank)!

There is a protocol for archival that says that the software needed to
read a document has to be included with the document. If the document is
"translated" to another software, then the translation software must
also be included, all in the same media. And some other procedure when
moving to different media.

By the way, this difficulty demonstrates the advantage of using open
formats in documents.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 16/08/2020 08.03, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

But this isn't the first time it happens in history. The Egyptians wrote
on papyrus, which degraded with time, and the texts had to be copied to
new papyrus.

And then the Alexandria library burnt and all was lost, there were no
backups.

If there were no backups, it must have been before thumb drives were
invented.

Just in case you weren't making a joke ...

There was no smiley, so I wondered...

You never heard of the Library of Alexandria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

Even if they magically transported thumb drives back to themselves,
there would've been no computers into which to plug them. "Drives" back
then were wheeled conveyances pulled by horse.



--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 8/15/2020 11:03 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

But this isn't the first time it happens in history. The Egyptians wrote
on papyrus, which degraded with time, and the texts had to be copied to
new papyrus.

And then the Alexandria library burnt and all was lost, there were no
backups.

If there were no backups, it must have been before thumb drives were
invented.

Just in case you weren't making a joke ...


LOL! Of course it was a joke. It was *way* before thumb drives were
invented.


You never heard of the Library of Alexandria?


Of course I have.


--
Ken

On 8/16/2020 4:25 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 16/08/2020 08.03, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

But this isn't the first time it happens in history. The Egyptians wrote
on papyrus, which degraded with time, and the texts had to be copied to
new papyrus.

And then the Alexandria library burnt and all was lost, there were no
backups.

If there were no backups, it must have been before thumb drives were
invented.

Just in case you weren't making a joke ...

There was no smiley, so I wondered...


Yes, I could have added a smiley. I didn't because I thought it was so
obviously a joke.


--
Ken

"Carlos E.R." wrote:

On 16/08/2020 08.56, Bill wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 15/08/2020 21.08, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/08/2020 21.59, Ant wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 12/08/2020 16.14, Paul wrote:
You'd be lucky to find BluRay media for home, let alone

I get them from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/Verbatim-43811-Blu-ray-v%C3%ADrgenes-unidades/dp/B00DHS99PY


How are BRDs compared to CDs and DVDs?

Bigger capacity :-D

That's all. Bigger capacity, thus it takes longer to write. But, some
are "archival quality", so they should last longer. Visually, they seem
the same thing.

What about compatbility? I always had problems with burned DVDs not
readable in
some drives. CDs were better, but had smaller storage sizes.

No idea. I didn't have a chance to try my burned BR on other machines.

On the other hand, I never had a problem with my burned DVDs, either.



Years from now, people will think Adobe Acrobat was a circus performer,
and they won't have a copy either... they will have (fill in the blank)!

There is a protocol for archival that says that the software needed to
read a document has to be included with the document. If the document is
"translated" to another software, then the translation software must
also be included, all in the same media. And some other procedure when
moving to different media.

By the way, this difficulty demonstrates the advantage of using open
formats in documents.

At a software publisher where I previously worked where we had
enterprise customers that were using operating systems and software that
was over 20 years old, we also had to archive the hardware (computers)
along with archiving the installation media and images of the installed
OS and applications. You might have the software and data archived, but
it's not usable if you don't have the hardware on which to use it. IDE
drives died out. So will PATA/SATA drives. That means no mobos will
have those ports. How are you going to use a SATA drive (magnetic,
flash, or optical) when there are no longer any computers available in
which to use the SATA drive?

Ken Blake wrote:

On 8/15/2020 11:03 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

But this isn't the first time it happens in history. The Egyptians wrote
on papyrus, which degraded with time, and the texts had to be copied to
new papyrus.

And then the Alexandria library burnt and all was lost, there were no
backups.

If there were no backups, it must have been before thumb drives were
invented.

Just in case you weren't making a joke ...

LOL! Of course it was a joke. It was *way* before thumb drives were
invented.

You never heard of the Library of Alexandria?

Of course I have.

Considering how schools have degraded, and how history is usually taught
as a static and very stale subject meaning students don't remember, and
because I don't know your age, it is very possible someone does know
about the Library of Alexandria (they weren't taught or it was so boring
that they forgot).

Remember, I prefixed my reply with "Just in case". I wasn't sure. What
seems obvious to you, me, and some others here may be unknown to others.
Just watch Cash Cab for awhile to realize how much trivia you don't
know.

In article , Bill
wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 15/08/2020 21.08, Ant wrote:
Years from now, people will think Adobe Acrobat was a circus performer,
and they won't have a copy either... they will have (fill in the blank)!

pdf is an iso standard and does not need anything from adobe to read it.

a future society could write a pdf reader using yet to be invented
technology, based on the spec.

In article , VanguardLH
wrote:


At a software publisher where I previously worked where we had
enterprise customers that were using operating systems and software that
was over 20 years old, we also had to archive the hardware (computers)
along with archiving the installation media and images of the installed
OS and applications. You might have the software and data archived, but
it's not usable if you don't have the hardware on which to use it.

that's what virtual machines are for.

IDE
drives died out. So will PATA/SATA drives. That means no mobos will
have those ports. How are you going to use a SATA drive (magnetic,
flash, or optical) when there are no longer any computers available in
which to use the SATA drive?

no need, since the data would automatically be migrated to newer
technology as part of a backup/archival strategy.