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On 1/27/2014 8:50 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/27/2014 6:28 PM, Paul wrote: If you want to add a parallel port to the computer, get one of these. This is what I use. It has a PCI Express connector. It does more modes than a "USB to printer" adapter would do. I run a JTAG programmer cable off it. And Windows 8 is listed in the compatibility section on this site. I got the adapter for less than the list price. http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapte...PP-ECP~PEX1PLP Paul I like that thought thread. While I can still sync with my desktop through the IR adapter, do you know if you can get a USB parallel port adapter so I could use it with my laptop. Sorry that should have been serial port not parallel |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/27/2014 8:50 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 1/27/2014 6:28 PM, Paul wrote: If you want to add a parallel port to the computer, get one of these. This is what I use. It has a PCI Express connector. It does more modes than a "USB to printer" adapter would do. I run a JTAG programmer cable off it. And Windows 8 is listed in the compatibility section on this site. I got the adapter for less than the list price. http://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapte...PP-ECP~PEX1PLP Paul I like that thought thread. While I can still sync with my desktop through the IR adapter, do you know if you can get a USB parallel port adapter so I could use it with my laptop. Sorry that should have been serial port not parallel There are USB to RS232 ports. I have a couple here. One goes to the RS232 port on my UPS (which has no USB). The other used to go to my dialup modem (for when ADSL fails, and I need to get to the status page of my ISP). And occasionally connects to another computer, if I want to run a Linux console via serial port (sorta like remote control). They use FTDI chips inside. And show up as COM3 and COM4. UMC-201. Windows 8 drivers are listed, but I haven't tested them. I used to just get driver software from the FTDI site. (The software has something to do with creating virtual com ports, whatever that means.) http://www.l-com.com/serial-converte...cable-10-meter The other kind of adapter, is USB to TTL serial levels. It consists of a cable with three wires sticking out the end. The wires are TX, RX, GND. Such a design is used with some kinds of cellphones. You then need to find a connector for the phone, and fit the wires to it. That's basically a FTDI design, without an RS232 level shifter connected to it. It would be the above adapter, with a chip missing. Another difference would be, no hardware flow control, and operation at say, 9600 baud. When you have flow control, you can run them a little faster. Perhaps 38400 when I was doing a Linux console. Paul |
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Paul typed: Keith Nuttle wrote: I like that thought thread. While I can still sync with my desktop through the IR adapter, do you know if you can get a USB parallel port adapter so I could use it with my laptop. Sorry that should have been serial port not parallel There are USB to RS232 ports. I have a couple here. One goes to the RS232 port on my UPS (which has no USB). The other used to go to my dialup modem (for when ADSL fails, and I need to get to the status page of my ISP). And occasionally connects to another computer, if I want to run a Linux console via serial port (sorta like remote control). They use FTDI chips inside. And show up as COM3 and COM4. UMC-201. Windows 8 drivers are listed, but I haven't tested them. I used to just get driver software from the FTDI site. (The software has something to do with creating virtual com ports, whatever that means.) http://www.l-com.com/serial-converte...cable-10-meter The other kind of adapter, is USB to TTL serial levels. It consists of a cable with three wires sticking out the end. The wires are TX, RX, GND. Such a design is used with some kinds of cellphones. You then need to find a connector for the phone, and fit the wires to it. That's basically a FTDI design, without an RS232 level shifter connected to it. It would be the above adapter, with a chip missing. Another difference would be, no hardware flow control, and operation at say, 9600 baud. When you have flow control, you can run them a little faster. Perhaps 38400 when I was doing a Linux console. Yes, most RS232 to USB adapters will indeed work for syncing. Although the problem is if the Windows 8 is the 64 bit version or not. As Palm only supplied the 32 bit Windows driver for syncing and it doesn't work with 64 bit Windows. What most Palm users do to get around this problem is to use IR, Bluetooth, or WiFi to sync with Windows. Although the Palm IIIxe doesn't have or supports either Bluetooth or WiFi. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Silver Slimer typed: On 27/01/2014 11:15 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote: IMO, OP's problem is that he has old hardware. The two devices he refers to are both well over 10 years old. What's the incentive for a manufacturer to update drivers for hardware they no longer make? Exactly. There is none. If a person insists on holding onto hardware for a decade, they should also consider using GNU/Linux rather than Windows. Once the Linux kernel supports hardware, the support never goes away. That's a gigantic advantage over Windows. Really? I don't find this true of my Linux machines. For example any Windows versions from 98 to Windows 8 still works with all of my Palm computers while Linux does not. Although it is supposed too. I don't find Linux very good at all. And the tens of thousand of hours I have spent running Linux was really nothing but a waste of time. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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On 31/01/2014 4:11 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In , Silver Slimer typed: On 27/01/2014 11:15 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote: IMO, OP's problem is that he has old hardware. The two devices he refers to are both well over 10 years old. What's the incentive for a manufacturer to update drivers for hardware they no longer make? Exactly. There is none. If a person insists on holding onto hardware for a decade, they should also consider using GNU/Linux rather than Windows. Once the Linux kernel supports hardware, the support never goes away. That's a gigantic advantage over Windows. Really? I don't find this true of my Linux machines. For example any Windows versions from 98 to Windows 8 still works with all of my Palm computers while Linux does not. Although it is supposed too. I don't find Linux very good at all. And the tens of thousand of hours I have spent running Linux was really nothing but a waste of time. I feel the same way about my own time running the multitude of distributions currently offered. However, it indeed has better support for legacy hardware such as video cards. For Palm, I'm surprised to read what you're reporting but I guess GNU/Linux advocates will state that it's because Palm was never popular enough for them to support it. -- Silver Slimer GNU/Linux is Communism |
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Silver Slimer wrote:
On 31/01/2014 4:11 AM, BillW50 wrote: In , Silver Slimer typed: On 27/01/2014 11:15 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote: IMO, OP's problem is that he has old hardware. The two devices he refers to are both well over 10 years old. What's the incentive for a manufacturer to update drivers for hardware they no longer make? Exactly. There is none. If a person insists on holding onto hardware for a decade, they should also consider using GNU/Linux rather than Windows. Once the Linux kernel supports hardware, the support never goes away. That's a gigantic advantage over Windows. Really? I don't find this true of my Linux machines. For example any Windows versions from 98 to Windows 8 still works with all of my Palm computers while Linux does not. Although it is supposed too. I don't find Linux very good at all. And the tens of thousand of hours I have spent running Linux was really nothing but a waste of time. Say 20,000 hours. Hmmmm, that would be over two years. I suspect you're a lying sack of ****. I feel the same way about my own time running the multitude of distributions currently offered. However, it indeed has better support for legacy hardware such as video cards. For Palm, I'm surprised to read what you're reporting but I guess GNU/Linux advocates will state that it's because Palm was never popular enough for them to support it. It's not Linux' fault that Palm won't port to Linux. Palm has to support it, not Linux. -- Alias |
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On 31/01/2014 1:27 PM, Alias wrote:
I feel the same way about my own time running the multitude of distributions currently offered. However, it indeed has better support for legacy hardware such as video cards. For Palm, I'm surprised to read what you're reporting but I guess GNU/Linux advocates will state that it's because Palm was never popular enough for them to support it. It's not Linux' fault that Palm won't port to Linux. Palm has to support it, not Linux. True, but Palm gains nothing in producing drivers or software for an operating system used by about 2% of the world's population and which operates differently from one distribution to another. Unless you make the software open-source and allow each distribution's developers to put the software in a repository, there is no real way to make sure that your software works on all GNU/Linux computers, especially ones which aren't compatible with .DEB and .RPM. -- Silver Slimer GNU/Linux is Communism |
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Silver Slimer wrote:
On 31/01/2014 1:27 PM, Alias wrote: I feel the same way about my own time running the multitude of distributions currently offered. However, it indeed has better support for legacy hardware such as video cards. For Palm, I'm surprised to read what you're reporting but I guess GNU/Linux advocates will state that it's because Palm was never popular enough for them to support it. It's not Linux' fault that Palm won't port to Linux. Palm has to support it, not Linux. True, but Palm gains nothing in producing drivers or software for an operating system used by about 2% of the world's population and which operates differently from one distribution to another. Unless you make the software open-source and allow each distribution's developers to put the software in a repository, there is no real way to make sure that your software works on all GNU/Linux computers, especially ones which aren't compatible with .DEB and .RPM. Well, Palm's pretty much history so it really doesn't matter. I suspect when MS takes everything to the cloud with their new CEO, who is a cloud specialist, many more folks will go to Linux or Apple because they don't really want a dumb terminal connecting to MS for everything including your data. -- Alias |
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Silver Slimer wrote on [Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:26:55 -0500]:
There is none. If a person insists on holding onto hardware for a decade, they should also consider using GNU/Linux rather than Windows. Once the Linux kernel supports hardware, the support never goes away. They dropped 386 support... |
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On 31/01/2014 3:02 PM, Justin wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote on [Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:26:55 -0500]: There is none. If a person insists on holding onto hardware for a decade, they should also consider using GNU/Linux rather than Windows. Once the Linux kernel supports hardware, the support never goes away. They dropped 386 support... ROFL. -- Silver Slimer GNU/Linux is Communism |
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Silver Slimer typed: On 31/01/2014 4:11 AM, BillW50 wrote: In , Silver Slimer typed: On 27/01/2014 11:15 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote: IMO, OP's problem is that he has old hardware. The two devices he refers to are both well over 10 years old. What's the incentive for a manufacturer to update drivers for hardware they no longer make? Exactly. There is none. If a person insists on holding onto hardware for a decade, they should also consider using GNU/Linux rather than Windows. Once the Linux kernel supports hardware, the support never goes away. That's a gigantic advantage over Windows. Really? I don't find this true of my Linux machines. For example any Windows versions from 98 to Windows 8 still works with all of my Palm computers while Linux does not. Although it is supposed too. I don't find Linux very good at all. And the tens of thousand of hours I have spent running Linux was really nothing but a waste of time. I feel the same way about my own time running the multitude of distributions currently offered. However, it indeed has better support for legacy hardware such as video cards. For Palm, I'm surprised to read what you're reporting but I guess GNU/Linux advocates will state that it's because Palm was never popular enough for them to support it. Oh some support it like Ubuntu. But I never heard anybody that got it to work yet. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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